5 reasons not to buy a cheap Kmart Huffy bike
On my morning bicycle commute I regularly see a specific type of cyclist.
They ride various extreme budget brand bicycles, the bicycles squeal due to lack of maintenance and poor adjustment and more often then not their wheels are dangerously buckled to the point I have no idea how their brakes function.
To be fair it’s not entirely their fault. Most of them have walked into Kmart, BigW et al and seen bikes for sale at the $100-$200 mark and wondered why on earth people pay upwards of $500 at the local bike shop.
Unfortunately most of these people learn the hard way, or just give up on cycling altogether.
There’s a variety of supermarket bikes out there for sale, Cyclops, Diamondback, Dunlop etc, but by far the most well known is Kmart’s Huffy brand. These nasty cheap things are everywhere and whilst they might be ok for a shortlived kids bike, if you’re going to do anything more then riding a bike around a carpark you should avoid extreme budget bicycles.
Here’s five reasons why.
1. Weight
When you’re looking at a first bicycle or a cheap runabout weight isn’t probably something you’ll be thinking about. Whilst I’m right up there with ridiculing the current trend of saving grams by making every bicycle part possible out of carbon fiber and charging disproportionate bucketloads, even in the budget bicycle category weight is something to take into consideration.
A heavy bike will no doubt slow you down however chances are if you’re looking at budget bikes you’re not going to be breaking speed records anytime soon. Still, what needs to be understood is that when it comes to extreme budget bikes costs are everything and manufacturers like Huffy will use the cheapest nastiest materials available to them.
Sadly we’re not just talking about a few kilos here or there, often the difference between a Huffy style bike and a low entry price point quality brand bike can be 10+kg’s.
Don’t believe me? Next time you’re checking out extreme budget bikes pick a few of them up with one hand. Then go to a bicycle store and pick up some of their cheaper models.
The weight difference should be enough to put you off the budget bike brands alone. There’s nothing worse then hauling an extra few bags of oranges in weight around everywhere you go.
2. Cheap components
Along with heavy frames the next biggest cost saver is cheap componentry. When it comes to the lower end of bikes what this translates into is things breaking prematurely or not working at all and maintenance being an absolute bitch.
At the higher end it’s easy to laugh at ‘Joe Smallpenis’ for spending an extra $3,800 changing over all his bicycle bolts and screws to aeronautical grade carbon fusion covered somemetalIneverheardof’ite to save 5 grams total, but at the lower end we’re talking the difference between spending a few hours adjusting your brakes vs a few minutes.
Cheap components not only wear out faster (even with correct mainentance), don’t work as smoothly as even the cheapest of name brand components but they’re a royal pain to work on.
For example one of my biggest gripes with my Surly Long Haul Trucker is the elcheapo Tektro Oryx brakes. Compared to the Shimano Tiagra road caliper brakes I was using on my previous bike which took literally 30 seconds to center and adjust with a screwdriver, the cantilever brakes on the Trucker take a good solid hour for me to get perfect.
Thankfully they need far less regular adjustment (once or twice a year with heavy use) then road calipers so I haven’t bothered swapping them out yet and just grit my teeth when the time comes to adjust them. The Tektro Oryx brakes however are a good example of how cheap components can ruin an otherwise stellar bike.
Take the feeling of dread I get when it comes to adjusting my brakes and imagine a whole bicycle made out of cheap nasty components. It isn’t hard to see how this can quickly put people off riding their bikes.
When you’re bike cost $100 it seems silly to pay a bike store $50 to adjust it every few months (and cheaper components used on budget bikes nearly always need more frequent adjustment) to service your bike.
Be weary of budget bikes that are advertised with ‘Shimano components’ too. There’s Shimano components and then there’s the shoddy lower end Shimano components used on budget bikes (Altus, Acera, Alivio, A050, 2200 etc.).
Worse still if the bike has components from some company you’ve never heard of just walk away, chances are it’s imitation crap straight out of China that will be more headaches then any money you could possibly save later down the track.
3. Assembly
If you’ve ever worked in a department store you know there’s really no technical training provided beyond brand and feature recognition. Unless the service assistant you’re talking to has a special interest in bikes, there’s probably a good chance they know as much as you do about them.
In department stores these are the same people that put the bikes together.
Sure the manufacturers provide assembly instructions and all you really need is a set of hex keys and a phillips head screwdriver but there’s a noticeable difference between an assembled bike and a properly assembled bike.
Shoddy assembly can lead to premature component wear, components not working properly at all and worse still are just downright dangerous.
Another tactic some department stores engage in is simply giving you a bike-in-a-box and leaving the assembly up to you. What usually happens from here is you try and put the bike together yourself and fail miserably or you wind up taking it to a proper bike store and paying for them to do it.
4. Durability
One of my pet hates is when someone brings me a bicycle that is beyond component repair and really needs a part overhaul. It’s hard explaining to someone why they should spend a few hundred dollars on their $100 bike for an entry level (second hand) wheelset because their current wheels have started to rust through leaving the spokes unserviceable after a few short years.
By this stage the chain has usually had it, the brake cables are shot and catching in their housing and with any luck half the drivetrain is stuffed too. At this stage it’s almost universally cheaper to just bin the bike and start over. The time spent replacing parts and fixing and adjusting everything just isn’t worth it (unless of course it’s your own time and you’re not in any particular hurry).
All bike parts will eventually wear out but there’s a big difference in terms of durability and serviceability between dirt cheap parts and the bottom end of quality groupsets. Every budget bike is going to have nasty parts on it that are just waiting to fall apart and fail on you at the most inconvenient of times.
5. Service Support
When buying a bike, if something is going to go wrong or fail it’s usually going to happen within the first few months. After this period all you should have to worry about is basic routine maintenance and the eventual wearing of components.
Taking a $100 bike back to a department store after a few weeks of on and off riding for a tuneup is going to get you a lot of blank stares.
Again, unless the sales staff in the department store have a special interest in bikes, they are going to have no idea how to service a bike. Far more likely the store don’t deal with bicycle servicing and you’ll wind up taking it to a proper store anyway (and being charged for it).
When buying even an entry level bike from a proper bicycle store, any good one will offer you at the very least a first service free. The really good ones will offer you three or even six months of servicing.
One of the best service plans I’ve seen was a complete periodic 12 month service plan at no extra charge. Unfortunately it was on the condition you did absolutely no work on the bike yourself so it was kind of useless to me, but great for a person with no bike specific mechanical knowledge.
So what bike should I be buying then?
The good news is you don’t have to spend thousands to get into cycling. Head into any bike store and have a look at their lower end range of bikes.
Don’t be put off by the fancy road bikes they put in the shop window that cost as much as your car, every bike store should cater for the budget bicycle shopper. If the service assistant rolls his or her eyes when you ask about budget bikes or they look disinterested (or try to convince you you need to spend more) just walk away and find another store.
Trek, Giant, Shogun, Apollo and Schwinn all have bikes that start around the $400 mark and should suit the purpose of a beginner cyclist well. Sure it’s a slight step up from that $100 Kmart Huffy ‘bargain’ but all things considered do you really want to have your bike sitting in the garage not being ridden only to wind up in hard rubbish a decade down the track?
Look for a good service plan and don’t be afraid to ask questions when considering a purchase, no matter how umb you might think you sound. Basic maintenance can easily be learnt via the internet (brakes and gear adjustments are the main ones) but you really need a good solid bicycle to work off.
With a bit of perserverance and research you can pickup a cheap bike that will give you years of hasslefree service and easy riding, which at the end of the day is really what it’s all about.
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March 25th, 2010 at 3:03 pm agb(Quote)
Extremely well written and informative article. Thanks.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:58 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
No worries agb, glad you enjoyed it.
May 15th, 2010 at 2:57 am Vishal Goel(Quote)
I am looking for a budget bike which is reliable as I don’t have a car. My bike is always mine only means of transportation.
Please suggest me any place, from where I can buy a budget reliable Bike. I am living in Benowa – 4217 (Gold Coast).
My email is (email removed) and my mobile is (mobile removed)
May 15th, 2010 at 3:33 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
Gday mate. Personally if you’re after a budget bike I’d be hitting the local bicycle shops (actual bicycle stores, not department stores) and seeing what they have. Might be $100-$200 more then a Kmart Huffy bike but will be ten times better.
Plus they’ll probably throw in a free service too.
Good time to buy now and over the next few months as a lot of bicycle stores will be having clearances due to 2011 stock coming in/being announced.
Good luck!
July 30th, 2010 at 10:07 am black knight(Quote)
you can get a good schwinn at kmart for around 200 dollars. this guy just wants you to think you gotta go to the fancy bike store to get a good bike.
how bout you buy a bike and when you run over a board with a nail in it you learn how to replace the tube instead of bringing it back to the store and demanding your money back.
July 30th, 2010 at 3:00 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Flat tyres are going to happen with any bike, Huffy or otherwise – although they’re probably more likely to occur on a Huffy due to cheaper tyres being used.
Still a $200 bike is a $200 bike and it’s not the tyres you should be worrying about but rather all the other craptastical bargain basement components the makers use to provide bikes at this price point.
Changing a tyre tube might be easy enough to learn but if you’ve got to replace all of the major components within a year after regular use you might as well have bought a decent entry level bike from the beginning. One of which you won’t find in the $200 range unless you possible score yourself a second hand bargain.
August 9th, 2010 at 12:16 pm Hammer(Quote)
lol
I have a good Fox so I have ridden a 179AUD Repco to TAFE 100km a week for 12 months, not a problem it is like new.
Sure its heavy, slower, more of a workout, I carry from 5 – 20kg to IT in backpack depending, what odds on 10kg bike weight.
Off course you stay on smooth tar, anything rough ? jumping ? dirt ? Forget it ! lol
Dangerous is laughable, like a car you drive it within its limits. Treat them good they will last 2 years @ less then 2 dollars a week it will do me for its purpose.
Check in store carton carefully, wheels, forks, etc, etc. Assemble yourself.
August 9th, 2010 at 1:59 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Yeah if you’re able to assemble the bike from scratch then I’m assuming you’re more then capable of keeping up with maintenance, which these elcheapo bikes need.
Then there’s the riding them gently on asphalt despite them looking and being sold as ‘zomg mega offroad 100m drop capable monster bikes!’
The average joe looking for a bargain bike isn’t going to be able to service the bike (without learning) or appreciate that their riding a bicycle not capable of anything more then basic riding. That’s the danger with cheap kmart bikes.
October 3rd, 2010 at 10:34 pm Sarah(Quote)
Hey,great tips!!
i never realised there was so much to bikes ayy anyway, my cuz hes just 12 or whatever and i saw a pretty neat bike at kmart for 100 bucks.
last time i bought one for my other cuz it lasted for 2 years and there were no problems at all. i dont know if how long it lasts matters ayy
thankscuz anyway
October 4th, 2010 at 4:05 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
I know people talk like that… but type? …seriously?
October 4th, 2010 at 8:15 pm Caffeinated SentryGnome(Quote)
have you even seen what teenagers type in emails?
October 5th, 2010 at 2:55 pm fathead(Quote)
Spot on with this article – my parents bought me the proverbial piece of shit for xmas a few years back and it lasted no longer than a week before it hit the back of my shed and stayed there.
have since bought an entry/mid level flat bar roadie – cannot believe the difference in ride/maintenance and all round convenience.
My next step is an entry level road bike – minimum 105 shimano groupset I’m told. Feeling a bit of a knob riding the flat bar at triathlons.
October 5th, 2010 at 4:44 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
If the 105 is in your price range then go for it but don’t feel like you have to shy away from Tiagra. I run some Tiagra on my Long Haul Trucker and haven’t had any problems.
December 5th, 2010 at 5:30 pm Damo(Quote)
By just reading this article you sound like you own a bike store and therefore have a vested interest in upselling to bike store bikes because you’re losing sales to the department stores. Remember not everyone has $400 to spend on a “cheap” bike.
I have been researching what bike to buy for several weeks now and the more I read the more confused I get it would be nice to get a straight answer from someone who just wants to tell the truth.
December 6th, 2010 at 3:26 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
Gday Damo, rest assured I don’t own a bike store or have any vested interests. My advice is simply a result of years of cycling (and having to occasionally work on crappy cheap bikes for friends & family).
By all means if it’s not in your budget to afford a bike shop bike then settle for a department store bike but I wouldn’t look at it as a long term solution. The components alone will ultimately wear faster at which point replacing them outweighs the cost of a bike.
Meanwhile my Long Haul Trucker is fast approaching 12,000km on the clock and is just over two years old now. I voluntarily changed out the tires for a bit but all I’ve had to change on it are the brake pads and chain.
The Trucker gets ridden in all weather conditions and only gets a clean once every 6 months or so. A Kmart bike ridden 4-5 times a week would be much more prone to component failure at this point, not to mention being nowhere near as comfortable or satisfying to ride.
January 9th, 2011 at 8:11 pm salt(Quote)
Vishal Goel, how did you go with your new or second hand bicycle? Do you have a pack rack and panniers, trouser clips and every accessory one needs on their dependable transport?
You’ll be saving lots of not buying petrol until you really need to $$. Happy cycling
March 1st, 2011 at 5:58 pm Cole(Quote)
I’ll have to agree with Damo, I don’t get why you’re so down on huffy bikes and want to convince everyone to spend $300-$400 extra on some other brand name bikes.
Reminds me of my friend who convinces herself she MUST spend $200+ on designer jeans. A jean is a jean man.
I’ve been using my huffy bike on and off for 8+ years now, beyond some moonshine oiling ($10) and one single tyre & tube replacement ($30), it still rides as good as new.
Your comments about “crappy components from China” sound more like racial bias. China is a country pioneered bicycle riding. They have an bicycle population in the hundreds of millions. They make millions of bikes for them every year. Their bikes have to pass real world endurance tests of heavy road conditions everyday.
Constant braking and starting, uneven terrain, heavy shopping loads, and even additional passengers. I find it hard to believe you’re suggesting their bikes are all crap or that they have to pay $300-$400 for “quality” bikes.
Irrational thinking man.
March 2nd, 2011 at 1:52 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Because most of the Huffy bikes sold wind up being garage storage or become landfill. It’s a poor purchase choice from a consumer standpoint.
I agree, buying jeans because they are designer jeans is stupid. On the other hand buying jeans that fit well and are long lasting is a good purchase. If they so happen to cost more then bargain basement jeans then so be it. Money well spent.
The same applies for bikes. You say your Huffy bike rides as good as new, well I can guarantee you now even ‘as good as new’ is well below the ride quality a low range specced ‘proper’ bike will give you.
As for China’s bikes, living in Taiwan I can assure you nobody rides around on their trusty ancient workhorses (although older bikes might be more prevailant in China due to the Pidgeon). Why?
Because the bikes don’t last. People buy their crappy cheap Huffy clone bikes, ride them till something breaks and then chuck it out and go buy another one. The streets of Taipei are littered with busted up Huffy style bikes that nobody cares about.
Nobody has a garage to store the bike they don’t want to ride in so they just wind up being ugly street pollution until the council comes and collects them (rarely).
Meanwhile if they’d done their homework and bought something that was enjoyable to ride, perhaps better care of the bike would have been taken.
Most Huffy owners won’t even bother with a chain grease so it’s a moot point.
March 9th, 2011 at 1:05 am Cole(Quote)
I think you’re over generalizing and suffering a bit of brand bias here. Surely you don’t rationally think most consumers just throw their huffy bikes after a few uses do you? Or that they actually fall apart after a few uses?
My example of expensive jeans isn’t really about just jeans. But more about how some people can have irrational attachment to certain brands. In my friends case, its her $200 designer jeans. I think in your case its these $400 bikes.
The point is its all value added marketing! Let me give you an example. In the real world, a pair of jeans only costs about $1 to make. Add in extra 50c if you have really high quality control standards. Add in another dollar for the cost of transport from factory to retail. The only reason you don’t see these prices is due the magical markup concept known as “value-added”; the cut that the distributors, the retailers and all the other middle men take in between the factory and the consumer.
Lets say you have a pair of jeans in China that’s worth $2.50. But when this same pair of jeans when gets transported to a country like Australia. It’ll magically be worth 10x, 20x even 100x that. Hows is this possible you ask?
Because you can afford it that’s how! And the companies know it. Charge the maximum amount the market can bear.
One of the ways they justify such a price hike is by branding the product. Then spend millions in advertising selling that brand. Resulting in consumers that WANT to spend 10x, 20x, 100x on that product. But, in the end its still just a pair of jeans.
As it is with jeans, it is with bikes and most other household products.
Ozsoapbox you mentioned Trek, Giant, Shogun, Apollo and Schwinn as the preferred companies to purchase “quality” beginner $400 bikes from. I did a google search. Have a guess where they source most of their bikes. Yep… China.
This just proves my point. The $400 you’re paying for is less about actual quality and more to do with paying for fat markups and a premium for advertising the MARKET PERCEPTION of quality.
In China they already produce quality bikes and can make it affordable to everyone precisely b/c they don’t need this value added premium. They even export some of those for companies to sell at $400+ apparently.
Its a nice article but it seems the problem here is that you suffer from this irrational attachment to these $400 brand name bikes in the same vein as my friend. And judging from your comments, a negative bias towards the “Huffy” brand name bikes and owners as well.
I notice you tend to overgeneralizing them all as “cheap”, “nastiest” and “can’t do maintenance”. As well categorize anything to do with China as “imitation crap”, not realizing the quoted brands are in fact sourced from China.
This behavior of praising your favourite brands while differentiating yourself from perceived inferior brands strikes me as behaviour very similar to apple fanboys or other loyal brand followers.
I’m also curious to know what you mean by “Pidgeon”, surely you don’t mean the Melbourne design firm?
March 9th, 2011 at 3:06 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
I’d be willing to bet there’s more Huffys and other generic supermarket style bikes sitting unused in garages and stairwells then any other brand.
Moreso there’s probably more of them in landfill too due to people rocking up to bike shops and being told it’s not worth the cost to fix or serivice one (people who buy Huffys generally have SFA idea when it comes to even basic maintenance).
Living in Taiwan, a close neighbour of China I can tell you that $2.50 jeans are a myth. You can get jeans that cost a couple of hundred TWD (~$10 AUD) but they are ill fitting garbage that will fall apart after a few months use.
You’re still looking at around $70-$100 AUD even in Taiwan for jeans that fit and are going to last a bit.
There is a difference between higher priced jeans in both fit, material and the quality of workmanship (or the machine they use to do it). Obviously this isn’t a linear factor (more money = more quality and better fit), but it is a general factor that people like me use to weigh up the cost of a purchase. Whether it be jeans or something else.
Your analogy of all jeans costing $1.50 to make and then simply being marked up based on superficial factors is bullshit. Manufacturing is a lot more complex than that.
As for bicycles, yes, a lot do come out of China but again not everything that comes out of China is the same. Huffy and other supermarket bikes come out of the dirt cheap bicycle factories who just make whatever they can for the cheapest price possible.
Giant et al. have their own factories and quality control methods and, whilst they do make a large profit – you get what you pay for. R&D and a reliable frame and components that aren’t bullshit to work on for the poor bicycle shop mechanics out there.
Oh and implying I have an irrational attachment to $400 bikes isn’t going to help your argument either. I’ve only ever owned one Giant and have never owned any of the other brands I mentioned.
I spent over $1,500 on my Long Haul Trucker. Not because of the brand Surly but because it was the right bicycle for the job.
Nearly 15,000 km’s later, hundreds of kg’s hauled around and nothing more than a tyre and chain change – it’s still going strong.
There’s a reason for that and it’s why I recommended those brands and that price entry point for people looking to waste money on a Huffy.
This would be the Flying Pidgeon. Only the most famous bicycle brand China has ever had.
March 11th, 2011 at 5:30 pm Cole(Quote)
Heh I can tell you’re really entrenched in the brand marketing mentality by your statements. You can hardly call such effects been “superficial” when it can create such strong sentiments and brand loyalty in the minds of consumers. The psychological effects of brand marketing and association are well documented in numerous scientific literature. Companies are willing to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on it precisely because its so effective. “Marketing is king” as they say.
But lets have a look at some of your ingrained perceptions and judge how rational they are:
1. You negatively associate Huffy bikes with been cheap.
Despite your favored bike companies also offering bikes in the $100 range. Vice versa Huffy also selling bikes in the $400 range.
2. You associate Huffy bikes with been generic.
Even though by definition Huffy is a brand, therefore not generic. You seem to identify anything generic with poor quality too.
3. You associate Huffy owners as foolish for even choosing the brand and too stupid to do maintenance.
Classic mark of consumer brand fanaticism. When the consumer holds their favored brands apart from others. Differentiates themselves between them, and followers of rival brands by actively applying negative traits like cheap, lazy, ignorant, etc to others for not choosing their favored brands.
4. You assume quality jeans actually cost “$70-$100 AUD” to make. Or that your “quality” bikes costs anywhere near the final retail price to produce.
Sorry but jeans or bicycles nowadays are not hard to make products. They are not cutting edge technology, companies do not have to spend money on RnD to manufacture it. They not have to pay proprietary licensing fees. The raw materials require cost a tiny % of the final price. From $10 per kg for the more exotic materials in high end bikes like carbon-fibre (a farcry from the ~$1500 prices) down to a dollar per kg for the cotton in your everyday jeans.
With mass production and economy of scale. $1.50 AUD for a quality pair of jeans is a fact of life. The cost difference of producing a crap jean and a quality jean is very little. All the rest comes from the “value-added” factors I pointed to earlier and the effort put into marketing to sell their brand.
Using Taiwan as your baseline experience for jean pricing in the rest of China is also not a very good idea. From what I understand Taiwan is a fairly wealthy tiny island state that excels in manufacturing semi-conductors and memory chips. When a pair of jeans say made in China, they don’t mean Taiwan. (I’m not even sure they make jeans there) Taiwan is in the same boat as Australia. Along with your high-price brand associated bias, I doubt you are giving a fair assessment.
In the end when someone wants to purchase a bike, they don’t want to spend $400 on a bike, when a $100 bike will do just as well. Hell I’ve seen numerous pictures of bicycle riders in China/India ride around the city everyday pulling those heavy rickshaw carriages. Some even balancing impossible looking cargo loads, with mere sticks, on the back of their bikes! Undoubtedly those bikes cost even less than $100.
The generalization about budget bike owners not been able to do maintenance really have nothing to do with why a person should buy a $400 bike over a $100 one. They’re separate issues. If a person doesn’t know how to change a tire or if they don’t know how to grease the chain, they’re gonna have the same issues on a $100 bike as on a $400 one.
Judging from your comments, no doubt you’re convinced spending $1500 on a bike is a good choice. The trademark of an excellent marketing campaign is always when the company is able to successfully align the consumer’s values with the projected values of their product. For then the product embodies the consumer’s aspirations and becomes a lifestyle brand instead.
You want to be stylish? You buy this handbag. You wanna be cool? You wear these jeans. You wanna be good at running? You wear these shoes. You want to be a pro cycler? You buy this. You want to be X? You buy Y. etc, etc, etc. And don’t say you’re somehow immune to it or that you’re not affected by marketing. You are. Its foolish to think we’re not been influenced by it. However what you can do, is challenge yourself continually and take such marketing influences into account. Be a smart consumer, keep an open mind, and judge products by their merits free from brand bias.
March 11th, 2011 at 11:36 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
How can I be brand loyal to brands I don’t own and wouldn’t buy because they don’t make bikes that service my needs?
Not in Australia they don’t, at least not as far as I Know. Walk into Toys’r'us (Huffies are only sold at toy stores) and you’ll see them going for $100 or so, maybe $150 or even $200 if they’re not on sale.
Huffy is a brand, but their frames are sourced from where?
Also the components they use are garbage. Either below bottom-of-the-line branded components or noname crap that is a nightmare to service (first hand experience trying to service cheap crappy bikes here).
Who said anything about being cheap or lazy?
I don’t know how to fix modern cars, that make me cheap and lazy too? The fact of the matter is most people who buy Huffies have no idea when it comes to maintenance. The technically minded or bicycle enthusiast isn’t their market.
I never said that. How is anyone turning a profit if I’m buying jeans for $70-$100 AUD and they’re being made for as much.
Oh dear.
And I suppose cars have reached their technological peak too.
Millions are spent every year on bicycle R&D across the entire industry. What do you think, they just slap some new paint on last year’s bicycles and roll them out?
As for jeans, your analogy is a load of crap. Jeans do not universally cost $1.50 to make and claiming otherwise is nonsense. No industry has a product that is universally costs the same to produce. Jeans are no exception.
And Taiwan certainly isn’t in the same boat as Australia. There’s a lot of interconnectivity between the two countries and wholesale places retailing jeans directly sourced from China. And no matter how cheap they are, the same rules apply – you get what you pay for.
Factors regarding fit, life of the product and style are reduced as the price goes down. Not universally and not linearly but it’s there.
I’m not arguing this point anymore as it’s a rather stupid discussion. You wear your Lowes jeans and I’ll wear what fits well and lasts a long time.
They don’t have to. But that’s my entire argument, that these $100 don’t do the job just as well. And even then, it’s not only about doin the job just as well.
You can either spend $400 on a bike and get years of use out of it, know that it’s easy to work on and built from decent parts, or buy a $100 huffy that weighs as much as an elephant and come to hate cycling because it’s so attrociously horrible to ride.
Point A to point B is only the start of measuring the quality of a ride, how your components work together and the feel of the bike are huge factors and a Huffy feels like a Huffy.
It’s not a blanket good choice, it was a good choice for me. I’d never heard of Surly before investigating appropriate bicycles to haul around heavy loads over mid to long distances.
I could have spent $3000-$4000, but the Long Haul Trucker came in as a solid frame and quality components that have lasted the distance in all sorts of weather.
Simply put, it was the right bike for my needs. And when it comes to Huffy, unless you’re wanting to increase the rate at which we accumilate landfill, don’t waste your time with $100 crap that’s not built to last.
I’m not obviously immune to marketing, but there’s a clear distinction between bicycles that are functionally useful and offer a pleasant riding experience and a bicycle that’s just put together to satisfy a price point.
I’ve put it at $400. Take it or leave it.
March 12th, 2011 at 3:27 am ausGeoff(Quote)
Interestingly, in the early eighties, the Huffy Tech Centre — utilising their new bike technology — enabled U.S. cyclists to win two gold, two silver and a bronze medal in the 1984 and 1988 Olympic Games. These were the first Olympic medals won by U.S. cyclists since 1912.
And of course I know your average Toys-R-Us bikes ain’t exactly Olympic specced, but I don’t think it’s fair to write Huffy off as total losers in the bike industry.
I’d be interested to know how many Olympic medals have been won on Surlys?
March 12th, 2011 at 11:41 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
None. But Surly don't make bikes for the Olympics. They mostly make practical bikes for Cyclocross, touring and mountain fun (non-competitive).
April 14th, 2011 at 4:12 am James(Quote)
So if I’m just going to do ~10 social rides a year on suburban bike trails at a leisurely pace with the family and am capable of putting the bike together and fixing a flat tyre then is it ok if i buy a cheap bike or will i be demonised by the lycra set?
If it breaks after a couple of years I can get another and will still be ahead in savings right? If if bike is $100 I’m going to be less worried about a kid leaving it in the rain/mud or it being stolen than if it’s $500.
If people have unrealistic expectation of anything then the mistake is with them rather than the product. These cheap products have a place in the market.
We are not all bike fanactics who ride every other day. These bikes are targeted at infrequent, family/social riders who aren’t expecting the bike to last/perform as well as more expensive bikes so why assume they are?
April 15th, 2011 at 11:39 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
@James
You’ll be demonised by the lyrcra set no matter what. But that’s not the point. What bike you ultimately end up using shouldn’t be influenced about what some guy on an expensive carbon racer thinks.
Yes, if you’re only doing about 10 rides a year than a Huffy type bike will do the job, but it’s not just about the bike wearing out. The quality of those ten rides will suffer with a $100 bike too.
There’s a big difference in riding a 20kg crappy component bike over 10-20km than a ~$400 decent specced bike that comes in at 10-15kg.
Coming from a Giant DS-2 (dual suspension heavy mountain bike), this is what prompted me to get a road bike and then a tourer. The ride comparison is something you need to experience yourself. Regardless of how many times you’re riding a year, wouldn’t you want each ride to be comfortable and enjoyable?
The other factor to consider is landfill. If you’re only planning on riding a few years short term then a Huffy might be the way to go. A slightly more expensive bike that’s kept out of the weather and looked after should last you decades.
Much more economical then replacing a $100 bike every few years and better for the environment too. I always get a bit depressed when I see so many Huffy type bikes out for collection when hard rubbish day comes around. Or in Taiwan’s case they’re simply left discarded on the street.
May 5th, 2011 at 3:50 pm bananabender(Quote)
$80 Kmart bike = $20 to make. Brand name $400 bike = $40 to make.
If you think Kmart bikes are bad I suggest you ride a typical 1950s 26/28 inch “gas pipe” framed single speed with a rear coaster brake. They weighed over 20kg. Cruising speed was about 12-15km/h on the flat and you got off and pushed the bike up any slope. I rode one of these for between 100 and 150km a week for five years until I got a cheap 10 speed in 1979.
If you think Kmart bikes are heavy try and pick up a Norco Sasquatch hardtail – around 18kg for large size.
A modern $150 hardtail bike is lighter and has better components than many expensive 1980s bikes. One of my mates paid over $4k for a aluminium 12 speed rigid fork hardtail over 20 years ago. A similar quality bike would now cost $100 new.
A Kmart bike needs to be properly lubed and adjusted before use. However they last for many years if properly maintained and stored undercover. If you don’t want a puncture don’t ride over broken glass.
The main difference between a department store hardtail and an entry level bike shop model is that the one in the bike shop has been properly adjusted before sale. The $400 bikes still have crap spring forks and dirt cheap components. The cheap Shimano integrated shifters on the bike shop models are far worse than the six speed Shimano thumb shifters on the $149 department store bikes.
May 6th, 2011 at 11:40 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Or if I think that’s bad, maybe I could try riding a unicycle with a square wheel.
What’s the point of comparing 1950′s bikes that nobody rides today?
That’s great, but I wouldn’t suggest anyone ride a $150 hardtail, Huffy or otherwise. Hell, I wouldn’t even suggest a $400 hardtail.
And only if they’re never ridden. El cheapo chains need replacement with use, so does the drivetrain and don’t get me started on brakes.
By design, cheap parts are a nightmare to work on yourself. Take it into a bicycle store and after one or two services you’ve spent more on fixing the bike then the bike itself.
That’s if you’re lucky the clerk doesn’t charge you extra for ruining his day.
Yeah, because it’s as simple as that.
Agreed. Don’t buy either a Kmart hardtail or an entry level one. If you want suspension by a proper purpose built bike.
I think you’ll find most entry level bikes have thumb shifters, rather then grip shift (which is what I think you mean by ‘integrated shifters, otherwise I have no idea what you’re talking about).
I’d suggest more Kmart bikes have grip shift over their entry level bike store bikes even. But then so long as they don’t break down, it’s not really about the shifting mechanism, rather it should be about the drivetrain. Working on the lower end Shimano drivetrain is a right royal pain in the arse.
If you’re looking at keeping your bike for a while, do yourself (or your bike mechanic) a favour.
May 22nd, 2011 at 1:39 pm gmc(Quote)
Just bought a “Southern Star Apogee 2.0″ from K-mart for $59, after assembly and test ride here are a few of my thoughts:
1. Weight is not a problem. I haven’t weighed it or anything, but it doesn’t seem to be a heavy bike. The weight doesn’t concern me at all.
2. The build quality is not great and the components are not high quality. As an engineer, I believed that whatever problems the bike had I would be able to fix. Though this is probably true, there are a number of small things that irk me.
For example, the metal cap that is crimped on the end of the brake cable fell off when I pulled it with my fingers. If those weren’t even crimped on properly what else could be wrong?
The front wheel is slightly warped by a mm or so, making brake adjustment frustrating. The linear pull brake mechanism itself also took a fair bit of time to get just right. I’m still contemplating whether it is worth it to try and get K-mart to swap the front wheel for one that is perfectly straight but I have no confidence that others will be any better.
My verdict is that if you know what you’re doing and you’re unafraid of a bit of mechanical fiddling, then go ahead and buy a cheap bike. I can easily see that a bike like the one I bought could be quite dangerous if it wasn’t assembled with care.
May 25th, 2011 at 1:01 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
I agree, however most people who know what they’re doing would surely rationalise that it isn’t worth the time to work on these bikes to fix them. I’ve tried to maintain a few in my time and the difference between working on them vs. working on even slightly better components is night and day (and the difference between hours of frustration).
Oh and Kmart employees are hardly assembling the bikes with care either. I know I wouldn’t be too confident riding around on something put together by a random teenager just trying to earn some extra pocket money.
May 28th, 2011 at 6:59 pm gmc(Quote)
I’m not sure if K-mart offers an assembly service, but I think that many people that buy these ultra budget bikes do assemble them themselves. If these bikes are being ridden around poorly assembled, it is probably due to the customer not assembling them properly. If these bikes actually came pre-assembled by a random teenager selling bikes for K-mart it would probably be better.
My point is that potential buyers do need to consider that assembling these bikes might require some fiddling. Personally, I quite enjoy mechanical tinkering so this is OK for me.
Now the front wheel that I had problems with was warped by more than I was happy with, so I spoke to the manager at the local K-mart and he was happy to swap the warped wheel for a straight one.
He told me that they had seen this problem before (on the same model bike), and that they had one in the store where the warping was far worse. He said that he believed it was an issue with how the wheel was packaged in the box, possibly that the wheel was under a load when the boxes were stacked. He also mentioned that he was going to follow up on this issue with the supplier. I’m am confident they will sort this problem out, as dealing with these kinds of returns is quite costly (and time consuming for store managers).
I ended up spending one Sunday afternoon sorting my bike out, which isn’t too bad in my opinion. If the bike starts falling apart or I end up having to spend a lot of time maintaining it then I’ll update the thread.
May 29th, 2011 at 4:07 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Thanks for taking the time to give us an update GMC, good to hear at least Kmart are willing to support their bikes – even if I don’t think too much of them.
The assembly component of the bikes is often overlooked by the consumer looking to buy a bike at this price point. Either that or they wind up taking the bikes to proper bike shops to get assembled anyway… must drive them a bit nuts!
June 8th, 2011 at 10:29 pm Andy(Quote)
Although most of what you say about the cheap bikes is spot on just thought I’d let you know that Kmart (and probably Big W) have their bikes assembled by a trained Bike mechanic for $16 or so who is contracted by Hunter Leisure (who supply the bikes)… and when this service is used it increases the warranty by 12 months as well.
It’s not too hard to check facts like this and this has been the case for many, many years. Businesses like this couldn’t get away with just letting any “random teenager” build them these days for safety reasons. Staff are not even supposed to assemble an office chair for a customer on the off chance they do something wrong and the customer gets injured.
This said, the bikes are rubbish but realisticly most people that buy them would only use any bike once or twice before it went to the shed…
June 9th, 2011 at 2:13 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
Cheers for clearing that up Andy, from the sounds of it this is an optional service?
Good to know there’s an option for those not confident in assembling a bicycle themselves. I know a bit about them and even I’d be a bit weary of putting a bicycle together from scratch unless I really had to.
June 26th, 2011 at 2:29 pm Rick(Quote)
I’d just object to Diamondback being on that list of Kmart junk.. Several of my local bike shops carry Diamondback models, and a close friend of mine races Vet BMX on a Diamondback Reactor.
July 23rd, 2011 at 4:42 pm bananabender(Quote)
ozsoapbox
May 6th, 2011 at 11:40 pm
I suggest you read the “guru of bicycles” Sheldon Brown http://www.sheldonbrown.com before spouting such ignorant rubbish.
All bikes rust and fall to bits if you leave them outside in the rain. That’s why garages and WD-40 were invented.
Basic bicycle components generally last (far) longer than expensive parts because they are heavier and stronger. Engineering 101: reduced weight = reduced strength.
- steel frames are far stronger and much safer than aluminium because they bend rather than crack (that’s why all BMX and jump bikes use steel frames)
- low end Shimano drive train components generally last (much) longer than their expensive parts.
- Kmart bikes use high quality KMC chains.
I managed to ride over 100km a week for six years without a puncture because I wasn’t stupid enough to buy lightweight tyres or ride over sharp objects.
July 24th, 2011 at 1:46 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
So uh… don’t leave your bike (Kmart or otherwise) out in the rain hey? Oh, and please don’t use WD-40 on your bike. It’s a solvent and will strip your bike of any lubrication leaving metal on metal.
Perhaps if you compare the higher end racier components to some mid-range, but when it comes to nasty bottom end components they’re only going to get you so far.
Brake arms will flex, chainring and cassette teeth will wear down, bottom brackets will give way and wheels will buckle on a whim. Chunky components might last longer, but that’s not really applicable to a bicycle componentry.
Agree. That’s why my Surly Long Haul Trucker is made out of steel. Dunno what this has to do with Kmart Huffy bikes though. Are you suggesting they’re all made out of steel?
That might be true or it also might be that if you’re going to buy high end road componentry, you’re probably going to ride a hell of a lot more too than someone riding their Huffy down to the milkbar.
Oh and it’s not just about wear and tear, working on low end parts is a right royal pain in the arse. High end components usually need just a screwdriver or one hex key to adjust.
I note that KMC produce chains ranging from $10 to $60-70 or so.
Please don’t suggest that $100 Kmart Huffy bikes have high end chains on them.
Cool. The 2-3 punctures I’ve had over the last few years have just been random. Nothing to do with riding over visible sharp objects.
September 7th, 2011 at 10:30 pm likeatiger(Quote)
Interesting. I too think Huffy are pretty average. Just look at the ratio of spokes to circumference of the wheel, compared to better quality brands.
My father bought me a decent Raleigh bike in 1985. I’ve ridden it a bit over the years, on and off. It’s still in great condition, albeit a little tired looking. My husband bought a Huffy to go riding with me. It lasted only a couple of years and was relegated to the garbage tip.
When we went riding he would pedal hard and struggle to keep up with me. Downhill, I would pedal a few times to go and cruide the rest of the way. Once again, he would struggle to keep up and would have to resume pedalling long before me.
The only bike to cruise better is the quality brand bike we bought my son five years ago.
In my opinion, it’s better to spend a little more (not necessarily a lot more) to enjoy the time spent on your bike more.
September 8th, 2011 at 1:17 pm TaiRen(Quote)
You’ve been ripped off if you’re paying that. You can get perfectly could jeans that will give you a couple of years of daily wear for NT$500-1000 (AUD20-40).
September 8th, 2011 at 1:38 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
$500 TWD jeans will get you nightmarket style ill fitting box kite shaped jeans that whilst they might last a year or so look terrible.
Seriously, have you seen the jeans most people wear around in Taiwan? Guys don’t really seem to care what jeans they wear.
$1000 TWD is starting to push ‘jeans I’d wear first thing in the morning to take the dog for a walk’ or to clean the bathroom in, but you’re still looking at shabby fitting quality. That and they’ll probably come with silly ‘hardcore’ dragon prints and sequins attached to them.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:36 am TaiRen(Quote)
As I said, you’re getting ripped off. Or perhaps you’re looking in the wrong places.
You can often pick up Lee, Levis etc jeans for under $1000. Not night markets copies but ones in real stores. I think the last pair of Lee’s I bought were $600. No sequins or dragon prints, just basic everyday jeans that fit well and last a long time.
September 9th, 2011 at 1:17 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
From where? Or are you talking Chinese knockoffs? I’ve been here nearly two years now and have searched high and low.
Bootcut jeans are my choice and they come with a massive premium here. I don’t like the skinny japanese inspired bullshit jeans that are so popular here.
September 10th, 2011 at 12:09 am Leo(Quote)
Poorly presented article. Goes on and on like ..comparing a Holden to a Rolls Royce. Oh… the Rolls is better than the Holden in so many ways blah.. blah.
For the weekend rider, doing a few rounds in the subdivision, a Huffy is the way to go. Why do I need to spend $ 200-300 for something used only on summer weekends?
Huffy fills in a gap that others have ignored. A segment of riders who want a bike that runs for a year or two.. Then buy another one… After that if the biking bug gets you, then spend the dough…
September 10th, 2011 at 2:30 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
Not even close. That would be comparing the latest CF bike to a Huffy, which is pointless. And Huffy’s aren’t a Holden… they’re more like a gokart being sold as an automotive alternative.
Please, at least show some basic understanding of the bicycle market and range before you complain.
Because the quality of the ride (both in the long and short term) is severely compromised by the build quality and components used in a Huffy.
The rider who couldn’t give two shits about the environment or getting a quality ride?
They need to think long and hard what they’re doing to the planet.
October 10th, 2011 at 7:52 pm Eel(Quote)
Good article. Totally agree.
My husband bought a cheap bike for $150 to go about 4kms to and from work, along flat roads in Melbourne. He wanted to see if he liked biking, but didn’t want to spend too much in case he hated it.
He decided he hated biking after a short while and the bike has sat undercover in the back garden since. He just decided to get me a new bike, as I showed a spark of interest in biking with my daughter, bought an Avanti for $450, and has ridden it himself ever since, to and from work across a steep bridge, up and down big hills, to and from work in Sydney.
The difference between the two is amazing – the Avanti is way lighter, it rides more smoothly, it changes gears far better, and it’s more comfortable. He reckons the reason he stopped biking is because he didn’t know how good it could be. The problem is, I now have to ride the old one…
October 11th, 2011 at 3:27 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Agrgh what a crappy situation to be in Eel.
Get him to buy you another decent bike! I’d be seeing red if someone bought me a decent bike and then kept it for themselves, hope it wasn’t a birthday present or something!
October 15th, 2011 at 7:43 pm Taylor(Quote)
While I do appreciate your comments – I am left rather worried now – I need to buy 2 bikes for Christmas, from Santa for a 5 and 7 year old and was looking at huffy (have done the bike shops!). Like most families – we can’t afford $300 + for a bike! its a $160.00 huffy or its nothing in our case regardless of concerns.
Excuse the pun, but feel very deflated about Santas good intentions now and as I hope you can appreciate your comments have left me with doubts over the kids riding safety.
Try and be a little bit sensitive – there is a strong market for brands such as huffy – for kids who otherwise may never have a “new” bike.
Ta
October 16th, 2011 at 2:38 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
@Taylor
Don’t be too worried, part of Huffy’s success in the children’s bike niche is that kids aren’t using their bikes all that much or to go too far, and they usually outgrow them before they fall apart.
By all means buy your kids a Huffy (but do check it first yourself, make sure everything is fitted and assembled properly) – but don’t expect too much out of it.
Be prepared to upgrade within 2 years too (and fix anything that breaks in the meantime), but you’d have to do that even with a better bike at that age anyway.
October 17th, 2011 at 1:19 pm Taylor(Quote)
Phew! Will Do! Thanks for the advice and the feedback.
October 22nd, 2011 at 8:30 pm Kingerz(Quote)
Well, this is a good article and I agree these are not great bikes, but I didn’t have much to spend and my Huffy was $119 and is still as ok as it ever was after almost a year used four times a week on my local rail trail (15 to 25kms each time) so they can do a LOT more than just go round a car park.
In that time I’ve lost 25% of my body weight (23 kilos) together with dieting. Beats me how they can make a bike for this price, it’s an aluminium frame too.
Agreed, the gears are bad and can’t stay adjusted and the wheels never will be true even from new. I think you are too hard on them though, they DO get people out cycling after all and few who buy one will be under illusions as to what they are getting.
Now I love cycling and am taking delivery of a way better Giant Roam XR1 in 4 weeks but I will have good memories of the trusty Huffy. At this stage I can ride it as fast as many middle aged folks on mountain bikes worth 15 times as much and after all, when I get my new bike it’ll feel even better thanks to the huff!
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:43 am Kemmo(Quote)
Hi, thanks for a wonderful article, you just saved a marriage. Well maybe that is taking it a bit far. My husband loves riding and was setting off today to buy our 11 year old a new bike. I really did not see why he should spend $500 when he could get a Kmart bike.
After reading your article I am now partly convinced, he said that he already knew what you said but he like a typical male is not a great communicator.
thanks again
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:32 am Kingerz(Quote)
Done more research…I found that a $900 Giant Talon 1 weighs 14.5KG. Their Boulder is 15.4kg. These bikes are the same style as a Huffy I own. I used accurate school science dept scales.
Measured my Huffy and it is 15.3Kg. My daughter’s is 16.3kg for an adult-sized bike. Basically the SAME.
This totally disproves your first point, as these bikes are NOT in the order of 10kg heavier. Obviously the Giants are more durable and ‘better’ but in terms of weight, it’s amazingly similar.
Even if you were to get desperate and compare a Huffy MTB-styled bike with a totally differently styled lightweight cross-city bike such as a Giant Seek 2, that is only 3kg lighter than a Huffy.
Bike weights from: http://www.thebicycleescape.com/bicycleweights.html
October 23rd, 2011 at 1:38 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
@Kingerz
If you got some decent use out of your Huffy I’m glad for you. That doesn’t mean however that a proper bike wouldn’t have been much nicer to ride.
A small economy hatchback will get you from A to B but wouldn’t you rather something slightly bigger and better built?
And let’s not kid ourselves, rail trails are largely flat and well covered… not much different to a carpark.
In the end, so long as you’re out there that’s all that matters. My advice is only a reccomendation, take it or leave it.
Now hold up there champ, you can’t equate style and purpose. Huffy make a lot of sales on aesthetics when their bikes are very obviously lacking the functionality of their counterparts.
The Talon 1 and Boulder are decently equipped trail bikes that you could take into the mountains if you wished. Would I do that on a Huffy? Not a chance.
Would you let your daughter take her Huffy up into the trails? Didn’t think so.
Between the two, of course the Talon 1 is a decent step up from the Boulder ($340 US RRP), but I still know which one I’d choose between the two and a Huffy – and that’d be purely on the frame/build/components.
The Giants are of comparitive weight because they are built purposely and the price reflects that. The Huffy’s weight on the other hand is just because it’s aestheticaly overbuilt garbage with cheap components that I wouldn’t trust my life on.
Big difference.
No doubt if Huffy were to make a bike that could match what you could do on a Talon/Boulder it’d be coming in at 20-30kg+
Also when we’re talking 3kg on bikes that barely over 10kg… that’s a huge weight difference and will definitely have an impact on your overall riding experience.
@Kemmo
No worries, hope your kid loves his new bike! Make sure he gets a decent lock too if he’s going to be riding by himself.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:13 pm Mozz(Quote)
I used to ride an Apollo 10speed road bike to and from work way back in 1980. The ride was from Maroubra to Mascot (NSW) five days a week. Did that for a couple of years until I got my Drivers license.
Wasn’t until recently that I decided I would get a MTB to ride basically to loose some weight and get back into shape. K-mart was the first place I looked to be honest.
Gone are the Huffy’s and replaced with Southern Star for the price of $98. In honesty, I probably would have bought one if not for the twist shift gears. I did check the LBS and their entry level MTB’s start at $399 !
Before I spent any money on said bike, I wanted a cheapie to see if I would stick to riding again and enjoy it. I picked up a $10 MTB from the recycle center at my local tip.
It is relatively light, has Shimano gears and Sis levers and is 15speed ! All it needed was air in the tyres which are almost new. After a bit of a clean and lubing sprockets, cables etc. I’m now getting enjoyment of riding this thing about.
I have no idea when it was made or where, probably China. It has OZ cycles stickers on it as well as summit stickers in addition to OCS stickers everywhere on it. It seems to handle off road trails quite well and even some rough stuff.
I will ride it till it breaks, can’t complain for $10 and I think it will last longer than anything I could have bought in K-mart ! By the looks of it, I would hazard a guess and say that it is well over 10yrs old. It isn’t a $400+ bike but will do me until it gives up the ghost.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:50 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
I’ve got nothing against second hand bikes, if you know what you’re looking for quite often you’ll score a bargain.
Congratulations on your find!
October 28th, 2011 at 8:56 pm Kingerz(Quote)
Fair points Oz, I can’t argue with those. I was really surprised that a Huffy weighs in at 15kg, which is surprisingly reasonable, but as you say, the best idea really would be to get an entry level bike from a decent manufacturer.
Mozz, the Southern Stars at KMart are basically the same as the Huffys just a different sticker. They have the same gearsets and accessories.
November 9th, 2011 at 6:29 pm Dougan(Quote)
Eyy what’s this: “And let’s not kid ourselves, rail trails are largely flat and well covered… not much different to a carpark.”? Well I don’t know many carparks that could leave you 90K from your car, plus riding up to Beechworth isn’t like trundling round Safeways lol.
If you’re going to say this, then roads are even more like a carpark since they are actual tarmac! We all had Huffy bikes as kids and teens and they were okay then and probably are a lot better now too what can people expect for a hundred bucks that is less than my neighbour paid for just his pedals!
November 10th, 2011 at 10:25 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
With the extensiveness of rail tracks surely there are some longer rail trails out there? Nearly all of the ones I’ve ridden on are usually flat with only the slightest of inclines. Going uphill seems to be something they avoid when building train tracks so this is reflective when they’re converted to rail trails for bikes.
I had a Trek MTB and then a Giant dual suspension MTB growing up. Never had a Huffy myself.
November 30th, 2011 at 5:57 pm Mozz(Quote)
Kingerz,
You are absolutely correct ! I did a fair amount of searching on the net and discovered that Southern Star, Repco, Crane, Next and Huffy are all made by the same Chinese Factory. It seems they are painted different colours along with different stickers for each Dept.store outlet !
I still have my trusty $10 Steed from recycle center and am loving riding it. I have learned that it is around 92/94 vintage and still going strong.
I digress, I did part with $98 at Kmart and purchased a Southern Star Kodiak. I did it for pure Scientific and research reasons.
This bike is not to replace my trusty $10 steed, but to evaluate and see just how long the damn thing will last and what problems I encounter with it.
I had to assemble it myself, though K Mart do offer to assemble it for you by their Technician for the sum of $16.50
I was told if I assemble it, I wouldn’t get the standard 12 month warranty. Yeah right !
Out of the box: Place forks the right way, put front wheel on, put head stem on and tighten. Then Pedals, Seat Stem and Seat. Could not adjust brakes correctly until I trued both Front and back wheel.
Also had to adjust rear derailleur to get it to change into gears properly and stay in selected gears.
It will get you from A to B and works as it should after you adjust everything.I mean everything ! I ride my $10 Steed in mornings and the K mart BSO in the afternoon.
Would love to get a Pugsley ! They look awesome
Oz, Do you know anything about Hillman bikes ? There is one at my recycle center, A 10 speed Roadie. Seems from the 70′s or possibly 80′s. It is Mauve and looks in quite good condition. needs new tyres and that’s about it. Everything on it works ! Again it is recycle center price of $10
It is as light as a feather too. Wondering if perhaps I have stumbled on a bargain and should snap it up ?
As kids, we grew up riding Raleigh Fireball Choppers and Malvern Star Dragsters.
Sorry for the long winded post. Cheers
December 1st, 2011 at 2:36 pm Johnny(Quote)
Mozz,
I also did a bit of research before going to Kmart… I went to K-mart, Big-W, Toy-R Us and the bike proffesionals.. prices? K-mart/Bigw about the same (~100), ToyRUs (~200) and the profesisonals (over 400)…
since I wanna get 2 bikes (boy and girl) my costs will double whatever my choice was… so since I was taking too much time to decide and the presure was on me (AKA my wife!!
) )I was going for my second round at K-mart and found the Souther Cross for 98 bucks. So I decided to get two of them and since I’m not a tool handler expert, I asked them to assembled for me (BWT, they only charged me $16.50 for both of them (2 for the price of 1
..now here is the best part…
they promise to assmeble them in 3 days..I ring them back and they weren’t ready yet… they promise it will be ready in 48 hrs.. and again..they didn’t delivery it!… so I Talked to the manager that promise to sort this out.. The sooner she cound get the ready was the week after!…
so it took almost to weeks to get a couple of bikes assembled!!… so to make it up for this blundler she offered me to get a fully refund for the bikes + take take the 2 bikes for free!!… So I went there, get my refund, collect the bikes (btw with a proffesional assemblers copy and signed for each bike) and everybody is happy!!…
Now How does the bikes go?… kids havent tested it yet… but thanks for your review.. it gives me some good hopes!!
now my Q for you is.. where can I get a $10 bike? … I want one for me too now!!..
Cheers,
December 1st, 2011 at 3:13 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
@Mozz
I’ve seen a few around but nothing specific.
If it’s in working order then yeah go for it. Just be aware of the practicalities involved in owning an older bike. 27 sized wheels require 27 sized tires and things like old brakes can be a PITA to adjust. Check it for rust too before you buy.
Having to buy new bike parts have a way of making second hand bike purchases lose their initial savings quite quickly.
@Johnny
Hmm are Kmart bikes worth it even when they’re given away for free?
…mate that’s still a tough call
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December 1st, 2011 at 7:38 pm Mozz(Quote)
Thanks Oz !
The Hillman frame is sound with only a little rust on top tube where there is a scratch. Should be an easy enough fix. Rest of paint work is excellent. Rims and small Chrome mudguards have small spots of surface rust. Steel wool should remove that.
Rims are straight and true, gears function perfectly, front Derailleur is Shimano and rear is Stolark. Never heard of that make before ! I checked with Bike Shop and they quoted $10 per tube and $20 per Tyre, if I should need them.
Johnny,
I have only been riding this K Mart bike for a few weeks. Comparing it to my $10 early 90′s bike which came from a bike shop originally is like night and day.
My early 90′s bike has better quality components than the Southern Star. You can actually feel the difference in quality in the crank when peddling as it feels much stronger than that of the Kmart bike.
Gear changes are smoother, quicker and more precise on my $10 special too. The route I take each day has a section where I negotiate between Tree’s on the track and the Roots from Tree’s are growing up through the track. I ride on this section on my 90′s bike and it laps it up.
When I come to that same section on the Southern star, I actually dismount and walk the bike through it as I’m concerned that rims might not be strong enough to take that kind of punishment without being thrown out of true and buckling.
Don’t bunny hop gutters or take it off road on seriously rough stuff, you may damage rims.
Where to get a $10 Bike !
Your local Tip/Rubbish Dump should have what they call a recycle section. Here you will find Anything form Furniture to Fitness Equipment, Bathroom Sinks and those $10 bikes.
What to look for : These Recycle Centers are Home to unloved Huffy’s and Cyclops Bikes. Stay away from them ! Don’t even think about anything with dual Suspension.
You should be able to find 80′s and 90′s Mountain bikes there, perhaps some later models too ! Check frame for excessive rust. Make sure there aren’t any cracks in the frame.
Check forks to see if they are straight, if it has front shocks, check for oil leaks and any unsightly clunking.
Check all cables as they may need replacing if rusted really bad. Check brake function and make sure both front and back work.
Lift front up and spin wheel to see if it’s warped/buckled. Do same with rear wheel. Check gears too and make sure they all work. A $10 bike is only a bargain if you don’t have to spend money on it or as little as possible.
With any luck you should be able to find something that isn’t to shabby and as above if everything works, with a bit more luck all you will need to do is put air in the Tyres.
You may want your LBS to give it a quick safety check if you are not Mechanically minded.
Good luck !
December 9th, 2011 at 9:32 pm Kingerz(Quote)
This is actually a brilliant thread and I say well done OzSoap for generating all this balanced and mature discussion. I’ve also been converted during the process to the wisdom of the posts.
We all naturally like to defend the under-dog purchase option, especially in Australia, where it is almost a cultural trait to do so. Added into this a lot of us have had fun on cheapo Huffys.
Having got a Giant Roam for myself and then, realising how much more fun it made in cycling in all respects, one for my daughter, I now advise everyone to strike up a conversation in their local bike shop and consider $350+ as a good starting point for a bike worth having for a kid, and $500 for an adult.
The gear for my other sports costs WAY more rteally (even a climbing rope is $150+ on its own). I posted a review of what I eventually did at http://kingerzexperience.blogspot.com/
Good luck all!
December 10th, 2011 at 1:46 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
No worries mate.
The Giant Roam looks like it’ll be a nice bike for you to ride, leaps and bounds over a Huffy.
I just wish Giant wouldn’t stick 1,000,000 decals on every bike they produce, if I were you I’d be hitting them with the hairdryer!
December 10th, 2011 at 3:12 pm john(Quote)
it just goes on and on, so bloody long. over two years I see.
i agree totally with everything written. you get what you pay for. I’ve bought $2 tools, bashed my head against a wall and vowed never again.
My wife has a bike hanging in the garage, hasn’t been ridden for 15 years, and probably only a couple of times. Now we camp at Xmas, the kids(9+5) like to ride, so instead of wasting time and money fixing up the bike, both tyres and tubes without looking any further, we bought $119 Cyclops as a replacement.
December 27th, 2011 at 5:57 am Joe Skeptic(Quote)
I owned a Huffy bike for 12 years and rode the sucker over all kinds of surfaces. It was one heck of a rugged bike and only had to fix a few flat tires over the years. Did all the maintenance myself and always carried an extra tube in case of a flat. Had to give it up when I got a job overseas and could not take it with me.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:37 am nick(Quote)
Just a guy who’s business if threatened by the economy of scale that large businesses have. Thus he exaggerates so that you will buy his overpriced bikes instead.
I have huffy and have used it to travel 20 kms to the beach and back (round trip). For a year and it has served me well.
Based on the the price I paid I am content if it only lasts two years. then I will simply buy another, don’t bother getting them repaired just buy another brand new for 130 bucks, that it the way to go.
Oh the cheap labor argument, well evertyhing is made in china these days including expensive brands. There is a certain clothes company that sell shirts in Australia for 100 dollars, yet the cost of manufactor in china was only 5 bucks. So these high quality companies not only ripp of the chinese worker but the autralian consumer as well.
I have not doubt that these EXPENSIVE cycle companies do the same thing.
January 9th, 2012 at 10:34 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
You heard it here first guys… I apparently now run a local bike store.
And in the meantime, whilst the Huffy has stood up to the casual use of a beach run, your ride quality is garbage.
Kind of like using a pedal powered go-kart to drive around vs. an actual car. Both get you from A to B and back, but that’s not the point.
Never mind the long-term landfill quota you’re contributing to.
Everything might be made in China but like Chinese citizens, not all are equal.
January 9th, 2012 at 3:47 pm TaiwanTeacher(Quote)
Shhhh! We don’t want to disturb Cross-Strait relations while the CPC is focusing on creating a harmonious (read as: entirely homogenous and drone-like) society. All Chinese are now being created equal… in fact, IDENTICAL!
Seeing as how this is an election year, and I wish to stay on topic here, my campaign promise is:
“Two Surly Long Hauls in every garage! And, two surly Chinese girlfriends to go with them!”
January 11th, 2012 at 3:24 pm nick(Quote)
hey ozsoapbox, what’s your reply to Joe Skeptic?
No matter what you say ozsoapbox, Huffy provides an economic alternative for low income individuals to use a bike.
Huffy and it’s counterparts are well suited to the demands of the “CASUAL” cyclist. An are more than adequate as a kid’s bike.
Now if you are an ardent cyclist who has a passion for the sport or activity you should invest in a high quality bike.
You stated: “And in the meantime, whilst the Huffy has stood up to the casual use of a beach run, your ride quality is garbage.”
Well that is your subjective opinion, I have ridden one for a year and it is ok, definately not a Rolls Royce but far from garbage. And joe skeptic agrees with me.
But for casual users, Huffy is quite ok, secondly a casual cyclist is not prepared in many cases to fork out 500 dollars.
Huffy fills this niche very well.
So one must decide what one is buying the bike for, the huffy is designed and priced for casual users, and caters for that need well.
January 11th, 2012 at 5:59 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Mate I’m not here to enter into a dialogue with every individual that leaves a comment to try and convince them to buy another bike.
In the same way that a plank of wood and some duct tape is an economic alternative to shoes for low income individuals.
Both do the job but the fact stands a Huffy severely compromises your riding quality.
And anyone who says otherwise simply doesn’t know any better or doesn’t mind, which is fair enough.
I on the other hand don’t like to torture myself and see the extra few hundred $$ as a worthwhile investment.
January 23rd, 2012 at 9:50 am Josh(Quote)
Hey there,
Recently I was looking at buying a cheap Southern Star mountain bike and was about to buy it. As I entered the shop I looked at the bike. It looked really cheap and bad quality
I then decided not to buy it. This was 2weeks ago.
Yesterday I bought an Apollo Exceed Flat Bar road bike and I am really pleased with it! Although the pedals broke the 3rd time I rode it
I was going to buy alloy/steel pedals anyway xD.
Since I don’t have that much money left after the bike purchase do you think that metal pedals from kmart will do the job?
January 23rd, 2012 at 9:55 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
Ouch that’s a bit strange with the pedals breaking, they’re usually made of pretty hard plastic.
Metal ones from Kmart should be fine (pretty hard to mess up pedals) but the only thing I’d keep an eye out for would be rust.
I’d say coat them in anti-rust agent but that’d probably make them slippy and attract dirt. Last thing you want are slippery pedals!
January 23rd, 2012 at 10:05 am Josh(Quote)
Thanks for the fast reply
and on a 3 year old insert!
You can see a picture of the pedals on my bicycles.net.au forum post
http://www.bicycles.net.au/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=48802&p=742682#p742682
January 23rd, 2012 at 10:10 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
No worries.
Might be worth taking that guy’s advice and hitting up your local bike store for some cheapies they have lying around too. As was mentioned, a lot of people just leave their flat pedals with the bike store when they upgrade to clip pedals so most stores usually have more than a few pedals lying around doing nothing.