Australian courts encourage rampant Sudanese violence
It’s a sad reflection of the times we live in that in Melbourne there are now clearly ‘no-go’ zones that have been established.
After the sun goes down there’s more then a few areas out in the western suburb wastelands of Melbourne that you couldn’t pay me to walk through. The apex of which is probably Sunshine station.
Sometime over the last decade or so Sudanese refugees have decided to take over Sunshine station and now anyone walking in the area after dark faces being eyed off and, if you look vulnerable enough, set upon.
These gangs of Sudanese youth have been at times caught and when faced with the repercussions of the law stood opposite some pretty hefty charges.
Unfortunately leniency doesn’t even begin to describe the atrociously abundant generosity Australian courts have towards Sudanese refugees.
Kanan Kharbanda was walking with a friend to Sunshine station back in 2008. Upon nearing the station Kharbanda and his friend were approached by a gang of Sudanese refugees. One of them asked Kharbanda for a dollar and then the gang proceeded to kick the crap out of Kharbanda and his friend.
As a result of the attack Kharbanda ‘suffered a fractured eye socket and broken nose. He has lost the sight in his right eye‘.
So, two innocent people walking around Melbourne set upon by a gang and viciously beaten. Once apprehended what would you expect an appropriate sentence to be?
Deportation…? Nope.
Jail time…? Nope.
Anything remotely resembling justice…? Of course not, this is Australia.
The three youths charged over the attack on Kharbanda all got off scott free.
The two younger youths were sentenced to youth supervision orders. A youth supervision order means you have to see a youth worker a few times a week and perhaps do some community work. Crap on about how hard life was in Sudan macheteing people every day and bing badda boom you get to live your life unchanged.
Bit different to losing an eye for no apparent reason.
Meanwhile the third gang member charged, Majang Ngor was yesterday handed down a suspended sentence.
The judge suspended the jail term for 15 months and ordered Ngor to do 40 hours of community work, saying the greatest public benefit would come from his rehabilitation.
These actions are hardly a sign of Ngor having worked ‘hard to reform himself‘ as Judge Cohen put it. Working hard to appease a lenient court system perhaps but going above and beyond the rehabilitation process to warrant a suspended sentence?
Not even close.
What really irks me is the pitiful sentence Ngor got seems to be a result of the inexplicably lenient sentences the two other youths involved in the bashing received.
In Ngor’s case the prosecution called for a four year jail sentence, which in my mind is completely adequate given the circumstances.
Judge Cohen refused to sentence Ngor to anything remotely close to jail time noting that
Prosecutors had wanted him jailed for four years.
this would be unjust, given the penalties imposed on gang members who were more culpable. Ngor hadn’t been an instigator or a ringleader.
Is there some unwritten rule that judges must not show any signs of independent thinking?
The Director of Public Prosecutions is appealing the Youth Supervision Orders handed down to the two other youths, one would think an appropriate sentence would add sizeable weight to their argument and pursuit of actual justice.
Instead we get a judge who acknowledges overly lenient sentences were handed out in two prior cases and like a sheep follows suit. Y’know, judicial status quo and all that.
The wider implications of these cases are that it sends a clear sign to Sudanese gangs that it’s open season on anyone living in Australia. Go and attack someone, get it out of your system, then stop drinking, crap on about life in Sudan, get a job and we’ll look after you.
By handing down such pathetic sentences when real crimes have been committed, the courts are actively encouraging that Australians are nothing more then punching bags to be used by the Sudanese to rehabilitate themselves.
Kanan Kharbanda lost an eye after being attacked by a gang. Somehow we’re supposed to believe that it’s in our best interests this gang be reintegrated into Australian society?
Australia, there’s nothing like it.
July 2nd, 2010 at 5:27 pm cbp(Quote)
The lenient sentences would have more to do with them being youths than them being Sudanese.
Youths usually get let off lightly regardless of race.
The problem is if you stick them in jail then you pretty much sending them to criminal school. 16 year olds can develop a revenge complex that can be hard to shake off.
Trust me, people have thought about this stuff before.
July 2nd, 2010 at 5:41 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
If we’re talking Sudanese youths in particular though, one could argue that whatever they’re going to learn in prison they’ve already learnt in Sudan.
I’d rather spend time in Australian prison then go visit that Sudan anytime soon.
These aren’t naive experimental teenagers, they’re organised gangs.
July 2nd, 2010 at 8:22 pm cbp(Quote)
Well, yeah but I would also describe jail more like ‘Criminal University’ – and you know that for the regular joe university is about the learning, but for the hotshots, its all about the networking and the lifelong friends you make.
July 2nd, 2010 at 9:00 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Well deportations always on the table.
I fail to see how Australia will in any way benefit from keeping violent thugs here.
If the refugees complain about what will happen to them if they are sent home well then they should have thought of that before forming their stupid little gangs and assaulting people.
July 3rd, 2010 at 3:45 pm PSF(Quote)
Not that it will happen, seeing as it will pit judges and magistrates against one another, but the day a person, who has benefitted from these decisions, by getting the snot punched out of them and nearly killed, by these subhuman types, and spare me cbp that they are only youths, sues these idiot judges for damages inflicted, we might see a change in these lefty Hulls appointed fools.
And personally suing means these idiots cannot use taxpayer funds in any way, for their defence, or for monies to be paid to the complainants from these ideologically bound morons.
As for them being only youths, there is still recourse to put them away for some time, and if, it is only Criminal University these subspecies go to, and learn more tricks of the trade, so be it. A bit of on the spot justice being dished out here, a bit of an eye for an eye type stuff, will sort many of them out.
But of course all the do-gooders will blame the upbringing. Deportation on the spot, no questions, no redress, no lawyers sucking money out of the taxpayer, keeping the case going for years (and of course it’s for the client, and not to suck more money from the system, lawyers, like politicians, are only doing it for us, no personal gain involved).
I truly believe there will be vigilantism on our streets before too long. People know the courts are not backing up the police, and there will be much more blood on our streets. But, you reap what you sow, and Australia is going to reap the whirlwind in the not too distant future.
Pete
July 4th, 2010 at 3:56 pm bushrat(Quote)
Regardless of race, the best place for this type of cowardly offender is a cheap pine box. 100% cure rate – guaranteed!
Screw them!
July 4th, 2010 at 9:22 pm PSF(Quote)
bushrat, you old Bolta blogger you, I like the cut of your jib. My sentiments exactly, even if the do-gooders think we are being just a tad too horrid to these hard done by, nobody hugged me when I was a child, sob story vermin.
July 9th, 2010 at 6:51 am Madison(Quote)
Only the wilfully blind would have ever thought that introducing the Sudanese into this country would not cause anything but turmoil. Africans are the bottom of basically every society you find them in; they are always overrepresented in crime statistics and welfare statistics.
And unlike our existing troublesome Aboriginal minority, the crimes that Africans tend to commit are of a far more severe nature. Aboriginals indeed commit a disproportionate number of crimes, but they are not as violent as Africans are.
If we keep on importing them, expect more, and worsening trouble. “The America is in its infancy”. Don’t expect things to get better as new generations are ushered in either. That’s when they’ll become “Australians” with “just as much right to be here as you”. But regardless of what civic title they’ll be stamped with, the dark heart of Africa will still continue to beat within their communities.
July 10th, 2010 at 8:33 am bushrat(Quote)
Yep, I agree too.
All us percieved racists should remain very vocal on this issue. I live in a quiet suburb, and they are beginning to run in gangs and intimidate people here – it has started in the last 2 years and is causing a lot of concern.
July 10th, 2010 at 11:45 am Madison(Quote)
It’ll get worse, Bushrat. If their numbers increase any more in your neighbourhood, get out of it ASAP; especially if you have children.
July 10th, 2010 at 11:10 pm bushrat(Quote)
Yair, my old man used to say, “the reason history repeats itself, is because no bastard learns the first time round!” – Wise old bugger he was!
I have met the odd few who are quite pleasant and polite, maybe they come from the right side of the tracks as it were.
Most however seem to slot into the early teens to twenty something age group ad boy do they have attitude!
Now dont get me wrong, I understand that being born in a country where tribal wars, AIDS, and AK47′s are the normal daily fare is going to give any child an attitude problem.
The simple fact however, is that our government, being S T U P I D as all governments we have had are, has no perception of the problem. Thesae people arrive here in leaky boats, after spending an eternity reaching our shores, are processed and then let loose in the community.
What guidence and counselling are they given? Who knows, probably an english lesson or two. Are they told that nobody here is going to line them up for target practice with an AK? Probably not. Are they taught that nobody is going to burn their ville while they sleep? I doubt it.
As usual, the great Aussie “she’ll be right” attitude kicks in and they are let loose on an unsuspecting community who they percieve as a potential enemy.
What the hell does anyone expect. We have got the whole damn system wrong, screwed up, stuffed completely. It will stay that way until SOMEBODY in government realises that they have got it wrong, and takes a sensible course of remedial action.
Of course the usual suspects have to shoulder a great deal of the blame, sniveling civil libertarians who are so quick to leap to the aid of the guilty, shithead magistrates who don’t enforce the law properly with sentances tailored on the grounds of ethnicity rather than the severity of the offence.
And “they” wonder why we who have enough CDF (brains) to see that this is wrong speak out, then conveniently refer to us as “racists”!
Spleen vented for evening!
Bushrat.
July 11th, 2010 at 8:28 am Madison(Quote)
What do they do in your neighbourhood?
July 11th, 2010 at 11:58 am bushrat(Quote)
The small number that I have seen mainly walk around in grooups giving everyone the old ” We’re real togh” stare – even older people my age (60′s). So far I’ve found the old trick of keeping eye contact and giving them the same hard look back is working.
Show fear and it will increase the chance of attack or confrontation.
Not that I wander the streeets at night or anything – occasional trip to the shops for late night shopping is where I mainly see them.
In singles they are now in the habit of walking around the carpark, and furtively looking through the windows od parked cars, you dont need to be a rocket scientist to work out that they are looking for something worth lifting.
A few of my sons friends have told me that there has been fights in town and the like, alcohol, I am told affects them in a very profound manner.
Same old story – different place.
I think a new law needs to be enacted that any immigrant (legal or “refugee” ) who carries out an illegal act before they have citizenship is tipped out of the country. If they have citizenship and they commit a criminal act, thier citizenship should be stripped from them and they should be ejected from Australia.
This would be as simple as a bipartisan agreement by government, to implement the act. They would probably only have to do it a few times and most of the rest would pull into line.
Of course it will never happen, as political correctness is the order of the day, and to do this would require courage, which is in short supply.
July 12th, 2010 at 10:28 am Madison(Quote)
Check out this article, you will enjoy it.
http://www.amren.com/ar/2005/11/
July 13th, 2010 at 10:51 am bushrat(Quote)
Dont know about enjoying it, but it says it all doesnt it?
I had a similar experience several years ago, (not prepared to go into detail in the forum) with regard to an unrelated issue.
I learned the hard way that it’s one thing to stand up and state your point of view, and quite another thing to paint a target on your back when you do it.
Unfortunately, issues like this become charged with emotion, and logic and common sense (why do they call it that when it is so uncommon?) go straight down the dunny.
This issue needs to be addressed, we all know that. We also know that it wont be simply because those in power are afraid to do it, lest they suffer the very same fate as the writer on the link you provided.
Very frustrating…………
April 29th, 2011 at 6:57 am Pat(Quote)
Deportation the only answer.Sorry.Back to where they came from for offenders that would do the trick the others would soon get the message.
August 3rd, 2011 at 2:01 am proudaussie(Quote)
the thing is sudanese are like lebonese, they have no respect for australa and incapable of gratitude.
What was wrong with white austraka policy? No really, what was wrong with that.
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:25 am PeterF57(Quote)
proudaussie, what was wrong with the White Australia Policy was that it was racist, pure and simple.
Now, anybody who knows of me on here know I have very little time for our blackfellas or muslims, but that’s nothing to do with their colour or filthy ideology. It’s to do with them not wanting to assimilate into our society, the blacks wanting the best of both worlds, they want all the trappings that civilisation brings them, and then they’ll regress back to their blackfella ways because it is their culture and very money worthy (and what a foul culture it is), while accepting all the filthy white man’s lucre.
And the muslims, who I refer to as floaters, don’t want to assimilate into our society. No, they want to bring in the filth that is sharia law, again, while still enjoying the trappings that civilisation brings.
sharia law is foul and any who adhere to it should be depoted, even if they were born here. No questions asked, no civil libertarians or refugee advocates using our taxpayer dollars to keep these retarded neanderthals in our country.
So bring in refugees, refugees who want to assimilate and work and not bludge off our society, but keep out the Sudanese and their like, bringing their age old enmities to this country, getting away with murders because the poor little darlings were traumatised in their shithole of a country by the civil war.
And cease all welfare payments because of colour. jesus, half these blackfellas claiming blackfella status are whiter than me.
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:30 am bushrat(Quote)
Short answer – nothing!
October 4th, 2011 at 6:52 pm Johnsergei(Quote)
Not one post seems to see the real issue.
The pollies ( on a mere $200,000 or so a year in salary and benifiets) get bossed around by the people on 2 million or 200 million a year and their boards.
The pollies don’t actually get told what to do, they know what’s good for them, they know who’s propping up their party.
Well folks the cry of ( we’ll stop the boats) by the pollies as a front and a lie.
Big busissess ( mostly overseas owned) is boss and they want 20 million more people in this western backwater called Australia ASAP.
…and no, the people on 200 grand a year let along 2,20, 100 or 200 million a year don’t have to use Sunshine Station
Not even during the day, let alone at night.
And Nope their kids won’t be bashed by thugs ( Sudaniese or otherwise).
Now the Judges and magies, well they know better than to stirr up a hornets nest. You diddn’t get appointed a judge by doing that though you many years of practacing law did you ???
These people live a completely different life from the average income erner.
The see the big picture but it suits them they don’t give it any thought even.
Australia with 40 million people = far mor cars, TVs, TV programs, tissies, chocolate, fast food ( mostly YUK!)and degrees sold ( gotta love the tertiary industry? It’s almost as bad as the devorce industry).
AAAAAND ( drumroll please) the people being imported into Australia.
1 Tens of thousands of Asian students in the Melbourne CBD. OH! and 3 more trams , to cope with the load.
It’s probably hudreds of thousands of SE asian and Indian students, nationwide.
Though will behaved and quite decent our infastructure can’t cope.
2 The North Africans, most of wich are well dressed and cool too but ther’s an ellement of unducated and stupid teen thugs amongt them and it’s more than just a few thugs.
It’s now effecting our way of life.
3 Educated people like doctors are being imported so that we don’t had to train and educate them here.
Remember, tertiary education is now big buissines.
Multicultralisem tollerence and the boat people issue is a farce and in a 30 or 40 million poeple Australia. You won’t be able to afford a house in the major cities,youth gangs will roam the streets.
OH! but we will have twice as much public transport (do the maths, will need lot’s more than that, stupid)twice the schools and 3 times the hospitals ( no I didn’t get the maths wrong, we’ll need those hospitals, a guarentee you.
But HAY, GM,Mc Donatlds KFC and Aplle will be happy won’t they???, along with scores of other corperations. Hay, won’t knife manufacturers do a roaring trade???
On the topic of weapons the helpless Australian sitizen has allready been dissarmed. ( but I don’t think IBM care???)
October 4th, 2011 at 10:30 pm bushrat(Quote)
And another thinking person has joined the forum – welcome
February 18th, 2012 at 4:17 am whatthehell(Quote)
Thinker? Maybe. Speller? He is not.