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	<title>Comments on: Melbourne&#039;s Docklands is still a depressing wasteland</title>
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		<title>By: A Challenge To the City of Fremantle &#124; Freo rip</title>
		<link>http://ozsoapbox.com/melbourne/melbournes-docklands-is-still-a-depressing-wasteland/#comment-75451</link>
		<dc:creator>A Challenge To the City of Fremantle &#124; Freo rip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 00:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been labelled “a depressing wasteland.”  The Lord Mayor of Melbourne and one time state MP, Robert Doyle said “Docklands lacks the ‘social glue’ of other suburbs and needs urgent reinvigoration”, this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] been labelled “a depressing wasteland.”  The Lord Mayor of Melbourne and one time state MP, Robert Doyle said “Docklands lacks the ‘social glue’ of other suburbs and needs urgent reinvigoration”, this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ozsoapbox</title>
		<link>http://ozsoapbox.com/melbourne/melbournes-docklands-is-still-a-depressing-wasteland/#comment-31749</link>
		<dc:creator>ozsoapbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 22:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gday Dave,

when I left Australia in late 2009 nothing much had changed regarding the Docklands. Unfortunately I&#039;m overseas in Taiwan now so I hacan&#039;t head down for an update.

Unless something has slipped by the radar though, I don&#039;t imagine too much has changed. The last major thing to hit the docklands was Costco and that was back in mid 2009. I very much doubt organic neighbourhood atmosphere has sprung up yet and I imagine the place is still inhabited mostly by 9-5 mon-fri workers, retirees and students.

If you&#039;re in Melbourne the Docklands isn&#039;t too hard to get too, you&#039;re best bet would be heading down there and just going for a walkabout.

Personally I think the Docklands probably still has at least another 5-10 years to go before it vaguely starts to resemble any sense of character identity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gday Dave,</p>
<p>when I left Australia in late 2009 nothing much had changed regarding the Docklands. Unfortunately I&#8217;m overseas in Taiwan now so I hacan&#8217;t head down for an update.</p>
<p>Unless something has slipped by the radar though, I don&#8217;t imagine too much has changed. The last major thing to hit the docklands was Costco and that was back in mid 2009. I very much doubt organic neighbourhood atmosphere has sprung up yet and I imagine the place is still inhabited mostly by 9-5 mon-fri workers, retirees and students.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re in Melbourne the Docklands isn&#8217;t too hard to get too, you&#8217;re best bet would be heading down there and just going for a walkabout.</p>
<p>Personally I think the Docklands probably still has at least another 5-10 years to go before it vaguely starts to resemble any sense of character identity.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://ozsoapbox.com/melbourne/melbournes-docklands-is-still-a-depressing-wasteland/#comment-31726</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 06:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ozsoapbox,

Was doing some research on the net about Docklands and came across your piece. Found it very interesting. 

Was wondering though if the development has improved in the last 18 or so months since you wrote this? 

Is it busier now or still a &#039;wasteland&#039;? Would love to hear your views.

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ozsoapbox,</p>
<p>Was doing some research on the net about Docklands and came across your piece. Found it very interesting. </p>
<p>Was wondering though if the development has improved in the last 18 or so months since you wrote this? </p>
<p>Is it busier now or still a &#8216;wasteland&#8217;? Would love to hear your views.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Is Docklands a dog? &#171; The Melbourne Urbanist</title>
		<link>http://ozsoapbox.com/melbourne/melbournes-docklands-is-still-a-depressing-wasteland/#comment-17011</link>
		<dc:creator>Is Docklands a dog? &#171; The Melbourne Urbanist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 09:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] could possibly have happened with Docklands? There&#8217;s lots of criticism and ideas (here, here and here). The only plausible explanation I’ve heard is that the development process was [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] could possibly have happened with Docklands? There&#8217;s lots of criticism and ideas (here, here and here). The only plausible explanation I’ve heard is that the development process was [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://ozsoapbox.com/melbourne/melbournes-docklands-is-still-a-depressing-wasteland/#comment-5452</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I call it &quot;Docklands disease&quot;.

I&#039;m almost certain that its planning was inspired by the 1959 film &quot;On the Beach&quot;.

http://www.melbourneheritage.com/2009/03/26/docklands-disease-spreading-to-melbourne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I call it &#8220;Docklands disease&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m almost certain that its planning was inspired by the 1959 film &#8220;On the Beach&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.melbourneheritage.com/2009/03/26/docklands-disease-spreading-to-melbourne" rel="nofollow">http://www.melbourneheritage.com/2009/03/26/docklands-disease-spreading-to-melbourne</a></p>
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		<title>By: ozsoapbox</title>
		<link>http://ozsoapbox.com/melbourne/melbournes-docklands-is-still-a-depressing-wasteland/#comment-5451</link>
		<dc:creator>ozsoapbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 08:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To give you an idea of just how ridiculous it is take a look at this map. The Criss cross bit that says &#039;Melbourne&#039; is our CBD, it&#039;s the busiest place in Victoria, there are TONS (by Australian standards) of people in it at any given time.

The Docklands is literally next door and is nearly always deserted. There might be a bit of action in the overpriced restaurants on a Saturday night but the contrast is still ridiculous.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To give you an idea of just how ridiculous it is take a look at this map. The Criss cross bit that says &#8216;Melbourne&#8217; is our CBD, it&#8217;s the busiest place in Victoria, there are TONS (by Australian standards) of people in it at any given time.</p>
<p>The Docklands is literally next door and is nearly always deserted. There might be a bit of action in the overpriced restaurants on a Saturday night but the contrast is still ridiculous.</p>
<p><iframe width="425" height="350" frameborder="0" scrolling="no" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" src="http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&amp;ll=-37.813039,144.957905&amp;spn=0.023733,0.036478&amp;z=14&amp;output=embed"></iframe><br /><small><a href="http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&amp;ll=-37.813039,144.957905&amp;spn=0.023733,0.036478&amp;z=14&amp;source=embed" style="color:#0000FF;text-align:left" rel="nofollow">View Larger Map</a></small></p>
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		<title>By: Van</title>
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		<dc:creator>Van</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 23:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I missed that there, sorry about that. I&#039;m still shocked at how empty it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I missed that there, sorry about that. I&#8217;m still shocked at how empty it is.</p>
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		<title>By: ozsoapbox</title>
		<link>http://ozsoapbox.com/melbourne/melbournes-docklands-is-still-a-depressing-wasteland/#comment-5449</link>
		<dc:creator>ozsoapbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 11:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a peak hour there?

Every time I&#039;ve ridden down there seriously it&#039;s as deserted as the docklands themselves. I just assumed all those businesses were mafia fronts or something.

Nobody &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; drives down there to buy anything do they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a peak hour there?</p>
<p>Every time I&#8217;ve ridden down there seriously it&#8217;s as deserted as the docklands themselves. I just assumed all those businesses were mafia fronts or something.</p>
<p>Nobody <em>really</em> drives down there to buy anything do they?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 11:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the one! And yeah Lorimer isn&#039;t bad if you&#039;re not there during peak hour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the one! And yeah Lorimer isn&#8217;t bad if you&#8217;re not there during peak hour.</p>
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		<title>By: ozsoapbox</title>
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		<dc:creator>ozsoapbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 11:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that the road that leads down to the punt and then that big park under city link?

If so I do that ride a fair bit and agree it&#039;s pretty relaxing. Lorimer road can be a bit boring but it&#039;s pretty interesting if there&#039;s a big ship being unloaded on your right. Some of those cranes are huge... as I&#039;m riding past I secretely wish the guy would swing the crane around and let the shipping container fly - that&#039;d be so awesome to watch.

I reckon he could get it to the otherside of the river, easy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that the road that leads down to the punt and then that big park under city link?</p>
<p>If so I do that ride a fair bit and agree it&#8217;s pretty relaxing. Lorimer road can be a bit boring but it&#8217;s pretty interesting if there&#8217;s a big ship being unloaded on your right. Some of those cranes are huge&#8230; as I&#8217;m riding past I secretely wish the guy would swing the crane around and let the shipping container fly &#8211; that&#8217;d be so awesome to watch.</p>
<p>I reckon he could get it to the otherside of the river, easy!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 11:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A nice bike ride is to go through the Docklands, then around to Lorimer Street. Follow that un-picturesque road and you&#039;ll arrive at Westgate Park, then you can ride around to Port Melbourne&#039;s beaches. From there you can follow the great bike path along the 109 tram line back to where you came from. Not a bad little ride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A nice bike ride is to go through the Docklands, then around to Lorimer Street. Follow that un-picturesque road and you&#8217;ll arrive at Westgate Park, then you can ride around to Port Melbourne&#8217;s beaches. From there you can follow the great bike path along the 109 tram line back to where you came from. Not a bad little ride.</p>
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		<title>By: ozsoapbox</title>
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		<dc:creator>ozsoapbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 11:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Van: I did mention the time!

&lt;blockquote&gt;There was absolutely nobody around except for one guy crossing the street, mind you this was lunchtime on a reasonably sunny Saturday too.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m pretty sure the barriers set up on that road were the only thing keeping the zombies at bay.

@Jeb: The bike facilities are amazing at the Docklands, everywhere you go there are giant rows of empty bicycle stands it&#039;s great. If only there was a reason to ride there beyond using it as a city bypass to get into the western suburbs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Van: I did mention the time!</p>
<blockquote><p>There was absolutely nobody around except for one guy crossing the street, mind you this was lunchtime on a reasonably sunny Saturday too.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure the barriers set up on that road were the only thing keeping the zombies at bay.</p>
<p>@Jeb: The bike facilities are amazing at the Docklands, everywhere you go there are giant rows of empty bicycle stands it&#8217;s great. If only there was a reason to ride there beyond using it as a city bypass to get into the western suburbs.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 08:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you mentioned the bike facilities - that&#039;s one of the few things the area&#039;s good for. Not just the facilities themselves but the total lack of cars around, as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you mentioned the bike facilities &#8211; that&#8217;s one of the few things the area&#8217;s good for. Not just the facilities themselves but the total lack of cars around, as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Van</title>
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		<dc:creator>Van</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 07:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude!  Where are the zombies?!?  I cannot believe the area is so empty.

Sure, you don&#039;t give a time of day... I mean Chicago could look dead at 5:00AM BUT I&#039;m assuming this is during the day.

I&#039;m a bit surprised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude!  Where are the zombies?!?  I cannot believe the area is so empty.</p>
<p>Sure, you don&#8217;t give a time of day&#8230; I mean Chicago could look dead at 5:00AM BUT I&#8217;m assuming this is during the day.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a bit surprised.</p>
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