Polaris Media Group: Liberty League changes its name
Duped by an affiliate link I thought I might have stumbled across one of the changes or possible the ‘game changing’ announcement that was supposed to happen at yesterdays Supercharged Saturday.
Turns out the big announcement has nothing to do with the Liberty League site itself. Tipped off by a Whirlpool forum member phife, it seems the brand Liberty League international has been scrapped and now associates will peddle Polaris Media Group.
Apart from having a shiny new website (with even more promotional videos and game show thinking music) here are the main changes as Liberty League becomes Polaris Media Group.
1. Beyond Freedom Breakdown
It seems whoever designs this stuff has gone back to the drawing board and managed to pack a whole lot more fluff into Beyond Freedom. So much so that an additional six different parts have been added to the original Beyond Freedom.
They are Beyond Freedom Departure, Action, Decision, Foundation, Sovereignty and Influence.
Departure, Action and decision (note the subtle use of impact verbs) all retail separately as stand alone products. Alternatively all 3 are also listed in a bundle package the ‘Beyond Freedom Launch Package’.
Currently the site is listing everything for $29.95 (including the conferences). Hmm, $29.95 individually or all three for the same price? Is it possible to have a Freudian price slip?
Beyond Freedom is still available as a standalone and is currently listed at $29.95, down from $1495. That’s a 98% reduction in price to give you an idea of how much the product is really worth.
Information on Foundation, Sovereignty and Influence weren’t available at time of publishing.
2. Beyond Freedom Interactive
Beyond Freedom Interactive appears to be an additional way to squeeze money out of associates. Upon subscribing ($30 a month) associates are given access to teleconferences, webcasts and portals (portals to where?) from the top earners.
It seems if you want to be inspired and get help from leaders in Polaris that’s ok, they’re just going to charge you for it now.
3. ‘Know for yourself’ DVD
The product description for Know for yourself is kinda interesting:
The development of the personal computer and the explosive growth of the Internet is one of the most significant events in our history. However, living in “the information age” does not guarantee the information is true or unbiased. Learn how to Know For Yourself in this confidence building DVD.
Either that or there’s some powerful brainwashing software on there that renders you completely immune to anything that’s not positive information.
Know for yourself is also priced at $29.95.
4. Beyond Freedom Live Event
The Liberty and Summit conferences are still there, although there’s a new Beyond Freedom ‘Live Event’. Presumably this goes for a day or two and is cheaper then the other two conferences.
There’s still no official word as to why Liberty League has rebranded as Polaris Media Group but I think any idiot can put two and two together.
Still waiting on the compensation plan to leak but I assume it’s probably going to be more of the same, well except for the fact associates are now called ‘distributors’.
There also does (at least on the public side of things) appear to be more focus on the product side of things rather then selling the ‘business opportunity’ to people. I’ve in the past been heavily critical of this particular aspect of Liberty League as I cannot see how a company is sustainable by simply onselling a business opportunity over and over again.
Will a name change be enough to keep Liberty League alive? Guess we’ll have to wait and see. One thing is for sure though, eight years ago it might have been easy enough to rebrand – but good luck distancing Polaris Media Group from the battered Liberty League brand in the current internet age.
For new readers to OzSoapbox I highly reccomend you read the following articles to gain a better understanding of the company Polaris Media Group is built on:
Liberty League International – How bad is it in Australia?
SixFigureChicks.com – Why you need to avoid this scam
Whirlpool Australian community forum thread – Six Figure Chicks
August 30th, 2009 at 9:55 pm Dan(Quote)
Same crap different shell……..
Still, makes it easier to get the ban wheel rolling.
August 30th, 2009 at 10:07 pm Martin(Quote)
Yeah… what a great start.
Already coming up with the lies and deceipt. Launched only in the last few days or so they have the false testomonies and false history spouting out at you.
I miss Liberty League allready.. at least we knew what we were dealing with there!!
August 30th, 2009 at 10:27 pm Rodney(Quote)
WOW! So glad I didn’t buy Beyond Freedom yesterday for $1495 US!!!
How will this make those who did feel?
FYI, my LLI associate login does not work (yet) at Polaris.
The BUY NOW button with Beyond Freedom does not work yet, either.
August 30th, 2009 at 10:40 pm Lance(Quote)
Supposedly the launch day is Tuesday, Australian time for it, based on what I can glean off Tony Rush’s Twitter feed and this:
http://thishomebiz.com/blog/liberty-league-transformed-bring-on-the-revolution/
That would explain the 9 day timer. 2 days till pre-live launch, with associate logins on Tuesday and a week to go live and weed out all the bugs.
August 30th, 2009 at 11:00 pm Rodney(Quote)
Actually, by the look of the site, I wouldn’t mind saying those prices listed are just place-holders. Wouldn’t surprise me one bit if the price of “beyond freedom” stays at the original $1495 once the site is finished and up and running. A lot of the links don’t work yet.
There would be a lot of people really pissed off if the price drops to $29.95! I don’t think Polaris could do that.
That is, unless, they really ARE as bad as they appeared in LLI guise!
August 31st, 2009 at 12:11 am Martin(Quote)
How daft are the people running the show?
Ummmm.. we’ve got a $5 million lawsuit against us
Ummmm.. we’re closely associated with scientology through Mr. Kirder
Ummmm.. What to do..what to do??
Bingo…. Lets rebrand but keep all the old links… no one will ever guess!
August 31st, 2009 at 12:13 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
You know what really pisses me off?
The new site makes no mention of TRIGGER CASES!
WHERE’S MY FREAKING TRIGGER CASES?!
August 31st, 2009 at 12:22 am Martin(Quote)
Oz.
I’ll send you some. Got a box of 100 at Carrara markets today for $25.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:41 am Roly(Quote)
Oz, still doing a great job. I’ve been having a bit of a poke around myself and have dug up quite a bit of intersting stuff, too much to post I’m afraid, so here are the main points. (sorry about the length – and this is the truncated version!)
http://www.ripoffreport.com/search/company/Liberty+League+International.aspx
This site contains LLI disaster stories from associates in the US, and a few rebuttals, going back to 2005. I’m a bit sus of the site itself but it contains a rich lode of names connected to names, and first-hand experiences. One interesting summary;
“The Beyond Freedom program, the Liberty and Summit conferences are hyped up products that exist ONLY to make the compensation plan legal.
* YOU * ARE * THE * COMMODITY *
This business is about separating you from your money in as many ways as possible.”
Source:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/Home-based-business/Philip-Diehl-Liberty/philip-diehl-liberty-league-exc7f.htm
As noted elsewhere, the rebuttals have a scripted feel about them using similar structure and the keyword “whiners”.
It also appears that there are sites flogging LifePath over the still-warm body of LLI that just “forget” to mention the formers’ intimate connection with the latter.
For example this blog;
http://www.inkblotmagazine.com/lifepath-v-liberty-league-how-self-reflection-saved-me/
…talks about *changing* from LLI to LP. Yet this site;
http://www.dlook.com.au/business/1748475/Lifepath—Liberty-League-Life-Coaching–Personal-Development
…treats the two entities as one.
The blurb is headed with a pic of a young woman (see my previous posts about the target market) and starts “Life Abundance is …”, yet another entity.
“LifePath Unlimited is a 5 Star Rated Global Company …” back to LifePath but they don’t actually say who gave them the 5 star rating.
Then yet another – “www.timewealthfreedom.net”
“Services” are curiously listed as:
“Lifepath Unlimited vs Liberty League Life Coaching, Business & Personal Development.”
“vs”? Looks like careless boilerplate (see below).
Another twist are apparent scamwatch-type sites that are reporting the problems LLI are having, then reporting favorably on entities which seem to the the same thing re-badged, such as “Nouveau Riche Corporate” which has the same home base as LLI.
It also appears that LLI has been banned in South Dakota (no advertising allowed) and is in trouble in Oklahoma as well.
The terms “Aussie 2-tier” or “2UP” are being used to describe what is essentially an illegal pyramid scheme, a form of Ponzi scheme.
A press release;
Liberty League Wins Cyberspace Battles
Scottsdale, AZ (PRWEB) August 19, 2009
defendants: Jennifer M. Lawlor et al, and Tina Fields
…
“These practices mislead unsuspecting customers to websites at which the infringers illegally profit from the infringement either through online ad networks or through sales of competing services. In some cases, once the potential customer has been misdirected to the infringing website, she is greeted with screens filled with pay-per-click advertisements, which generate revenue for the registered domain owner, but not the trademark owner. In other cases, the infringing website portrays itself as an unbiased comparative website, but then promotes a competing product, oftentimes by presenting false and/or misleading information about the trademark owner.”
The release also quotes Shane Krider, co-founder of Liberty League
Source: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2009/08/prweb2767314.htm
Despite the win above you can still find false comparative sites. This one seems to have the same headline as above;
“Lifepath Unlimited vs Liberty League”
…where it actually makes sense.
Names mentioned include Patrick Combs, Shane Krider and Brent Payne, the co-founders of Liberty League International.
Apart from shuffling a few deckchairs (more CD’s, different presenters, no trigger cases) these appear very similar.
Source: http://citizencorps.com/lifepath-unlimited-vs-liberty-league-international/
Also mentioned are: PAS, Emerald Passport, Liberty League, Coastal Vacations, and Work from Home Owners Watch Out Predator Marketing System is on the Move
(their English, not mine)
Source: http://www.pr.com/press-release/18320
“If you have been considering joining Liberty League, then here is an important message for you…
…because that decision could cost you tens of thousands – if not hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Why? Quite simply, because there is a much better alternative. Imagine this…a lucrative home business opportunity that offers you everything that makes Liberty League International attractive:
very high commissions on every sale
potential to earn a high six-figure or even seven-figure income
a great business that is fun and easy to run from home”
Source: http://liberty-league.com.au/
Who? – Lifepath Unlimited. Liberty League is bagging itself? Confused? I think that’s the idea.
They go on to claim;
“the approval of a five-star quality rating from an independent home business review organization”
This appears to be;
http://citizencorps.com/lifepath-unlimited/
…which has a top bar push for Global Resorts Network, Liberty League International, LifePath Unlimited, and Wealth Masters International.
(The link on the site is faulty but corrected here – with all that positivism and money you’d think they would proofread and test their sites)
I’m reminded on the Hydra myth which in some versions grew two new heads to replace each severed one.
If these scams do in fact originate from Scientology (as asserted on ripoffreport.com, above) they may be just as hard to kill off.
It’s starting to look like this isn’t just a scam but quite a major racket.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:26 am mark dempsey(Quote)
the reason why the beyond freedom program was priced at 1500 was not the product in itself but the qulaification and use value that it gave you…it dosent mean now that u can get it for 29.95 mean it was never worth anything..its people like you who will never find success because you listen to the masses of society instead of the people who arer actually acheiving some results in thee life
August 31st, 2009 at 8:46 am toni(Quote)
You are all shameless!!! go do some real work!!!
August 31st, 2009 at 9:02 am Andy Baker(Quote)
Boys will be boys
Why don`t you guys start a business and keep yourselves busy, rather than getting all your facts wrong, you have blantently copied and pasted information from sites that are put together as a marketing tool for their own business, and so far away from reality that it is laughable.
Andrew Baker
Barrister
Oxford, UK
August 31st, 2009 at 9:10 am Michele(Quote)
Oh no, just when I thought I’ve nailed Liberty League I will now have to change it and hunt down Polaris Media??
My story will be a never ending one:(
And oh dear readers, I’ve a guest post on Oz’s blog, Help Warn NZ about Liberty League.
I am really looking forward to hearing from you guys, ex-LLI, for my feature story for my Uni paper.
Please do email me. My story’s totally dependent on you guys.
Names will be kept anonymous!
Cheers.
August 31st, 2009 at 10:02 am Vince(Quote)
Yeah you’re right, I should start a business, just like Myles Harman. He’s from the UK too, and has a video telling everyone how wonderful life is, even though he’s only made 1 sale with Liberty League in 12 months. WOW, what a success story!
August 31st, 2009 at 10:10 am Lance(Quote)
LLI/Polaris already has an extensive paper trail online which show how many times it has been involved in scams, rorts and the like. Considering some of the distributors call it “Polar Media Group”, it’s not that hard to see how ill prepared most of these “businesses” are to engage on the new brand.
@Andy Baker, regarding facts being wrong, you also have a paper trail. Sure, it’s not as colourful and filled with people being scammed by LLI/Polaris, but this is you, right?
http://www.20essexst.com/bar/j_baker_a/baker.htm
What business does a UK “international sales” barrister have in claiming “all your facts are wrong” about LLI/Polaris and that things are “copied and pasted” ? Surely by voicing them here in such a fashion, you’re actually losing any legal precident to put such claims in a case.
@Mark Dempsey, $1500 is needed for the qualification? Well, since the Super Saturday pitch was that if you went “full boat”, you’d get instant qualification, it’s not really that much of a value add, now is it? Instant qualification is a quick way to kill any revenue for the uplines as well.
August 31st, 2009 at 10:13 am Vince(Quote)
Funny how the people who are against Liberty League aren’t promoting anything, unlike the people who are all for it.
Bottom line, you cannot make thousands of dollars working 20 hours per week with “no experience required”. Anyone who has read all that and still believes it almost certainly deserves to be drowned in debt, which is what will happen if you join Liberty League.
But don’t take my word for it, join them. We’ll see you back in 12 months when you’re living in a cardboard box… if you still have internet access that is.
August 31st, 2009 at 10:37 am Rod(Quote)
Getting all our facts wrong?
What I and many others have stated here so far is fact. I spent 12 months with LLI so I have lots of inside information to share.
This is reality folks, unlike the mental state most associates of LLI are in, I liken it to a parallel universe (I was there for a while) and it is almost impossible to reason with someone who is in that place.
I was told by my Advisors (EMC members) to basically block out communication with or even cut ties with any friend or family member who were negative.
Most associates will wake up eventually but only a fraction of them like myself and a few others here will have the guts to speak up, even prepared to go to the media and it is about time there is a site in which we can freely share our experience without fear of persecution!
These FACTS will be like the proverbial that sticks to a blanket and this will carry on to Polaris Media Group.
Long Live OzSoapBaox!
August 31st, 2009 at 11:09 am Martin(Quote)
So lets say we give PolarisMediaGroup a fair go and see if anything has been learned from the Liberty League scam.
Well, now you would imagine that they are more promoting the products than the rip off scam business opportunity so obviously one would expect to see their product range on the ‘distributor’ websites.
?????????
Nope!
August 31st, 2009 at 11:12 am Rod(Quote)
Search Polaris Media Group on google and ozsoapbox is ranked fifth!
August 31st, 2009 at 12:21 pm I wonder(Quote)
….if you guys have nothing better to do?
If you did not do well in the Business it is YOUR fault and yours only.
The tools are there- why didn’t you use them?
I imagine you would be the one complaining to your Advisor that it “wasn’t working”, and have that victim mentality.
I have seen people like you come and go.
I have actually made 2 sales- TODAY.
One from Brisbane, one from Tweed Heads.
Well done on your relentless searching for ANYTHING to do with Liberty League, and the intense interest you have shown in the company- it is all rather flattering.
Oh well…I will always need someone to wash my new car
Go Polaris!!!!
I am SO excited!!!!
August 31st, 2009 at 12:43 pm Vince(Quote)
Just like in the Whirlpool forum, I’ve seen all this crap written before. Boring! Next!
August 31st, 2009 at 12:45 pm Lance(Quote)
@I Wonder,
Are those sales at the new bargain basement price of $29.95 as advertised on the Polaris site?
After everyone else got fleeced at $1500 and above at the various Super events?
August 31st, 2009 at 12:47 pm Perhaps(Quote)
Wouldn’t you LOVE to know?
haha….
Best of luck with whatever negative pursuit you have next
x
August 31st, 2009 at 12:49 pm Dan(Quote)
You mistake us for people who have joined in your scam and have lost money.
Sorry, you must realise that most of the posters here aren’t from people who have “failed” as you say, but from concerned citizens of Australia that are trying to stop other more easily influenced people falling into your scam.
If people like us and the members of Whirlpool didn’t speak up then you and your “advisors” would be able to go on scamming people who can least afford it out of money they cannot afford to loose.
And, as some one else mentioned, you don’t need to buy into this crap at the inflated prices they charge. All you need to buy is “Think and Grow Rich” by Napoleon Hill. Not that you would. All that superfluous, self empowerment shite is the same.
How to succeed in life.
1. Have a job you enjoy and get paid well enough to support your family and have fun with.
2. Have a good balance between work and home life.
Simple isn’t it.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:53 pm Vince(Quote)
Rachel Oliver must be laughing her ass off reading all this. All these suckers making her even more rich while they’re burying themselves further in debt, when all it took was a simple Google search.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:06 pm Martin(Quote)
@I wonder.
Congratulations on the two sales. You’ve now achieved the industry average for overall sales. Make another one and you are into the top 15% of industry average earners worldwide.
No wonder you are so excited.
I can recommend an excellant car detailer in Nerang. They offer payment plans for ex Liberty League Associates.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:13 pm Rodney(Quote)
Get a load of this:
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/PolarisMediaGroup?ref=mf
I was so tempted to leave some kind of negative comment or “WTF is this?” question in there, but no doubt I’d be wiped.
This, folks, is brainwashing at its best.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:38 pm Rodney(Quote)
I don’t see saving others from financial ruin a negative pursuit. Quite the opposite, in fact.
“Perhaps” certainly does not reflect what true personal development is all about. Instead of ignoring these posts as a person truly confident in their own pursuits would do, “Perhaps” simply reeks of the “Nyah, nyah! Really, even though I will ACT all loving and caring toward others, I really only care about me and I am going to be richer and SO much better than you. Someday.”
A perfect example of one that has been brainwashed by the
system.
“Wouldn’t you LOVE to know?” “Perhaps” asked.
How childish.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:39 pm I wonder(Quote)
@ martin
you sound like you live your life on what “average” people achieve.
I completely understand your agression, as this is the mentality the “average” person has.
also- seeing as you just have to change your “name” on here to be listed as a different person ( I found that out before as I am both “i wonder” and “perhaps” but didnt know it gives you a whole new pic etcc)….that this is from one person?
One person who sucked at the business and due to their negative, average attitude could not succeed?
hmmm….somthing to ponder.
lol…..
ok, back to sunbathing for me
toodles!
x
August 31st, 2009 at 1:42 pm Martin(Quote)
Nuff said Rodney. Unbelievable!
August 31st, 2009 at 1:43 pm I wonder(Quote)
yeah…that’s exactly what i meant. for sure.
Maybe it is tiring watching negative people knock what is an amazing and life changing business, that has changed mine, and many people i know personally ‘s lives? Those that I knew BEFORE they joined the business?
The mentality that it is “too good to be true” is what will keep you in your 9-5 job until youre 60.
The business is open to ANYONE to enquire. Not all are qualified, as it is no use coaching the uncoachable and negative, so they do not get past the first step.
Open your mind!
Maybe, just maybe, life does not have to be crap?
You do not HAVE to LOOK FOR NEGATIVES in truly amazing opportunites?
x
August 31st, 2009 at 1:44 pm I wonder(Quote)
done with this site now….
wish you all the best, truly
xox
August 31st, 2009 at 1:46 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
All comments are logged with IP addresses used to post them, although this isn’t bulletproof.
If you’re on TPG wireless in Queensland for example and disconnect/reconnect to the network there’s a good chance you’ll get a different IP address.
You also posted with a different bogus email address both times, Gravatar generates avatars based on email addresses. Change email = change pic.
22 degrees is rather chilly for a sunbake no?
August 31st, 2009 at 1:49 pm I wonder(Quote)
by accident i did, and said so in my post above
” ( I found that out before as I am both “i wonder” and “perhaps” but didnt know it gives you a whole new pic etcc)….”
cheers for the clarification.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:53 pm I wonder(Quote)
LOL…did you see where I live?
Then you should know that the answer is a no.
It’s lovely
August 31st, 2009 at 1:53 pm Martin(Quote)
Bogus just about sums him/her up.
Fits the trend nicely with the bogus websites, bogus stories, bogus testimonials, the bogus list goes on and on.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:59 pm I wonder(Quote)
Martin- cannot change my email here now as it will change my pic and that gets confusing!
My email is ksundsy@gmail.com
Not really up for giving you my business one funnily enough!
Reason I did not put it in the box ( i see now however that is isnt shown…oops) was that i did not want emails from people like yourself. Which is no doubt what you will do.
Its not my fault you failed.
Remember that.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:11 pm I wonder(Quote)
wow!!! How funny is that!!
Silly me has just seen that this entire site was created by one disgruntled LLI hater?
Ozsoapbox, all the best darl, I really feel for you that you have devoted so much time to thissite.
wow…. that is just….wow…
ok, NOW I’m going to sit in the sun (if Ozsoapbox doesnt stalk where i am and come find me?)
;’)
August 31st, 2009 at 2:14 pm Vince(Quote)
I wonder- For someone who’s meant to be ignoring all the negativity, you’re not doing too well. You’re not going anywhere; you’ll keep coming back to us. And you’ll keep coming back because that’s how weak-minded you are. Rachael Oliver & Tony Rush wouldn’t be happy to see you like this.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:16 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Not sure where you pulled that one from, I’ve never been involved in the company.
‘Why I write about Liberty League International‘ might be of some interest to you (and everyone else trying the same tired routine).
August 31st, 2009 at 2:32 pm Rodney(Quote)
This is hilarious.
For a group people supposed to be ignoring negativity, they’re not doing a very good job.
It is obviously really getting under their skin.
August 31st, 2009 at 3:42 pm Sceptic(Quote)
Hi All
I actually went to Super Saturday on the Gold COast (to support a friend…not to join) I am the biggest sceptic in the world, so I thought it might be fun to go and watch how they manipulate people…it was unbelievable!! The only reason they have changed to Polaris Media Group is becuase LLI was about to get shut down in Australia…ACCC etc.(they never once mentioned this though!!) As of 9th September they change to Polaris media Group…the new compensation system is way more Multi level will residual income etc, and no more 2 up which was illegal. Thay also worked out a way to pay the EMC and people at the top WAY more money and have LESS money available for those on the lower levels (which I was able to work out) however MOST of the people at the event were convinced they are NOW getting a better deal!
Half the people I heard talking were about to quit their jobs!! I wish I could stop them somehow!
August 31st, 2009 at 3:57 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Yeah I figure the product Beyond Freedom Interactive is just going to filter into the top guys pockets. In centralising the online stuff they dissuade the individual co-ops that Liberty League had.
Also means distributors can spend less time answering questions and helping people they recruit as now they can just go ‘buy beyond freedom interactive’.
August 31st, 2009 at 4:09 pm Rod(Quote)
Thats right, looks like they are not doing the one-month media fast on page 16 in the Beyond Freedom workbook. Come on guys, be leaders and get back to your Beyond Freedom…..LOL
August 31st, 2009 at 4:14 pm Concerned(Quote)
Makes for some interesting reading ……….all of this crap, normally I wouldn’t get drawn into such petty nonsense.
You see the world does not need crusaders like all of you negative types are claiming to be, what it needs are leaders, people who are willing to do what it takes to move a head in life. What the world actually needs is for people to actually take responsibilty for their own lot, you know if more people actaully did this then they would actually see.
Henry Ford said it best when he said “Thinking is probably the hardest work there is, that is more in likely the reason why so few partake in it”
The best why to help these ‘victims’ you so clearly seem so hell bent in saving (have you asked them if they want your help?) is to not be one of them.
LLI/Polaris seem to provide a great education system, if you choose to use it and make money great, if not great too, the thing that really urks me is that all of you idiots seem to have nothing better to do than piss and moan, truth be known you ahve some other hiden agenda, more than likely I would think. You may not be openly sharing it here. But then you couldn’t claim your crusade then could you?
Google Mother Teresa Scam and see what you find, you see the second you gain some level of success you become a target for fools, much like the uninformed people posting here. Anyway my point is, until you can stop blaming someone else for your shitty existance and short comings you will never move forward from them, and for that I feel really sorry for you, because you will miss out on so many better things.
Haha, just like its the refs fault the Aussies lost the rugby AGAIN on Saturday night, lol.
Wow I have really said alot, I guess thats cause I have time, but, you know what, there are better ways to invest my time than to try and educate apes, so with that I am off.
toodles
August 31st, 2009 at 4:28 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
What it takes hey… is that code for preying on the desperate?
See what? The 85% chance of getting massive debt getting into this business offers?
You’ll find there’s more then a few people that have left thankyou messages for the information made available here. As they say, prevention is better then a cure – if by reading the information contained in both the comments and the articles here helps someone make an informed decision then it’s all worth it.
Here we go again…
Yeah leave the education to us, you just concentrate on the far easier route of fleecing money out of the
Australian publicapes.Best of luck in your endeavours.
August 31st, 2009 at 4:35 pm Martin(Quote)
Remarkably similar to Amway/herbalife etc., but then I guess why not copy something that actually appears legit?
August 31st, 2009 at 4:40 pm Vince(Quote)
Thanks Liberty Losers/Lovers, you have made my workday that little bit more fun. We’ll keep throwing the line, and you can keep taking the bait.
August 31st, 2009 at 4:43 pm iwonder(Quote)
Can I just ask one thing-
What is the main problem you have with LLI?
I mean, the Compensation plan is explained is it not BEFORE you sign up?
So what’s the deal? Other than you not succeeding in your own business, which it is?
oh and Vince/Martin/Rod (or one and the same?)….lol at “you will come back to us” I went to sit in the sun, now it is raining
….so came back to see what you guys had said. That my friend is human nature. Do you think that will make me angry? And does it make you happy to attempt to do so? That’s a little interesting…
Am MORE than happy to hear what the exact problem you have with LLI is?
Because at the moment, it is all very vague…?
August 31st, 2009 at 4:47 pm iwonder(Quote)
ps: ozsoapbox…why on earth would you feel the need to publish my internet provider and address on here? For everyone to see?
Do you do that with everyone else that you do not agree with?
That was what really struck me…
As you give the impression that LLI is one sided and that you allow all views?
August 31st, 2009 at 4:51 pm iwonder(Quote)
oh dear….somebody needs to hug in the nude more
August 31st, 2009 at 4:55 pm Rod(Quote)
“Concerned” seems a tad concerned, Why the aggression? True colours of a liberty League associate maybe?
We are here to express our experience with Liberty League without Tony “delete” Rush censoring every negative comment and you start to lose it. I suggest you do some extra journaling tonight to get back on track.
August 31st, 2009 at 4:58 pm iwonder(Quote)
Oh Rod do you need a cuddle?
August 31st, 2009 at 4:58 pm Lance(Quote)
1. It’s a scam
2. Australia government confirms it’s a scam
3. US government confirms it’s a scam (Oklahoma, South Dakota rulings, plus $5Mil current class action)
4. The only people who don’t believe it’s a scam are either:
a. top 3%, raking in major money from debt-capitalised downlines (e.g. advisors suggesting mortgage be put on hold to purchase products)
b. so brainwashed that they spout the party line, whilst ignoring how much debt they’re incurring in selling an overpriced vapourware product.
See, “personal development”, with the advisors telling people to put mortgages on hold, take out excessive credit to attend conferences and the like, is no different to the Madoff saga.
LLI/Polaris’ advisors are attempting to provide business strategy and direction, and the best they can do is suggest overcapitalising on credit in order to fund LLI/Polaris events, not to actually do anything to build effective businesses.
August 31st, 2009 at 4:59 pm iwonder(Quote)
Agreed.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:04 pm Martin(Quote)
Have I missed something???
August 31st, 2009 at 5:05 pm iwonder(Quote)
Thanks for your reply
But…..
One thing….
I PERSONALLY know 5 people in LLI whom I knew before they joined.
Only ONE has not made money. And this is due to personal family circumstance and the inability to focus on the business.
So…if we are hoiung by statistics, then 80% of the people I KNOW PERSONALLY (in the biz 1-5 months) are making money.
If we are looking at statistics…
There will be failure in any business. Due to lack of commitment/training…whatever it may be.
I just have trouble with that because I know so many people foing great that’s all.
I do thank you for your message, it is nice to have a civilised conversation here
August 31st, 2009 at 5:06 pm iwonder(Quote)
yes. lol SCROLL UP!!!!
Man…
August 31st, 2009 at 5:06 pm Martin(Quote)
Nope. Still missing it
August 31st, 2009 at 5:08 pm Wolf Amongst the Sheeple(Quote)
You can get the same stuff at Dymocks for 20 bucks.
Leaders don’t follow others!!
August 31st, 2009 at 5:08 pm Sceptic(Quote)
Interesting news…
None of the associates can actually log on at the moment…there old LLI login sites redirect them to Polaris Media Group which won’t let them log in yet…
Seems all of the last minute sign-ups for the expensive conferences (which they encouraged them to do before going to Saturdays event) will now go straight to Polaris under the new scheme…Talk about last minute money making before it all goes KAPUT!!
August 31st, 2009 at 5:12 pm Wolf Amongst the Sheeple(Quote)
And can I just say, it’s quite obvious iwonder, perhaps, & concerned are all the same person without checking.
And you should look into the realities of Mother Teresa, I’d call call that a scam too.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:14 pm Wolf Amongst the Sheeple(Quote)
iwonder: by “making money” you mean profit AFTER deducting ALL your expenses?
August 31st, 2009 at 5:16 pm Wolf Amongst the Sheeple(Quote)
Oh, & can I have a nudie hug?? :}
August 31st, 2009 at 5:16 pm Rodney(Quote)
Dear Concerned,
Speaking of fools, as you do in your post here today, I would have indeed been a FOOL *if* I had believed in the hype – and that is ALL it was – and invested $1500US in a product that, as from September 9, will be available for $29.95.
Imagine just how the people will feel when they realise they have paid so much recently for something that, as from Sept 9 2009, is worth so little.
And at $29.95 Polaris will STILL be making a HUGE profit on the product itself.
The Australian Government has confirmed this type of business is a scam and this particular one, as a matter of fact. Are you going to ignore that snippet of information, too? Or is there some clever angle you can put on that as well?
Scientology at its best. Brainwashing. Call it whatever you like. it’s a scam cleverly disguised as an opportunity.
Show us the money in the form of bank account scans, I say! And do it NOW or bugger off and stop arguing without substantiation.
Much worse than a new car depreciating the second it leaves the dealership.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:17 pm iwonder(Quote)
lol…
August 31st, 2009 at 5:18 pm iwonder(Quote)
Let’s just say – you do not have your facts straight …
Stay tuned
August 31st, 2009 at 5:19 pm iwonder(Quote)
All very dramatic
You guys are hilarious
August 31st, 2009 at 5:20 pm Martin(Quote)
And the ‘facts’ are??? HELLO…. ANYONE HOME???
August 31st, 2009 at 5:23 pm iwonder(Quote)
Oh well Marting let’s just tell you….
Because you are so very genuinely interested and not at all biased.
HELLO/…??? ANYONE HOME???
August 31st, 2009 at 5:23 pm Rod(Quote)
I must admit the pricing is wrong, but you can pick up Beyond Freedom on ebay for about that price
August 31st, 2009 at 5:24 pm Lance(Quote)
We’re not talking about statistics. We’re talking about the excessive credit required by the downlines, the fact Polaris/LLI advisors are dispensing what the ASIC would term: “business / financial advice” in regards to people’s mortgages in regards to maintaining part of the Polaris/LLI brand (including when Tony Rush censors the LLL.ning forum).
The advisors are not legally accredited with ASIC to give such advice to any of their downlines, yet it happens, both online, and in the conferences.
See, it’s still a scam even when you don’t talk about statistics because the advisors aren’t financial advisors. They are either the top 3% at the head of the pyramid, and as such raking in money from all the credit-capitalised downlines (giving the false sense of security that people can earn 6 figures.. when in reality, they can’t – re: LLI financial disclosure) or they’re home business people who, by law, aren’t accredited with ASIC and as such legally liable for misrepresenting themselves as part of the Polaris/LLI structures as financial advisors for their downlines.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:26 pm Martin(Quote)
I wonder…
Im selling a product but I dont know how much it costs.
No wonder..I wonder
August 31st, 2009 at 5:27 pm iwonder(Quote)
And your point is?
I think I saw a signed Micheal Jackson print the other day for $25… LOL
It is eBay mate!!
Beyond Freedom is such an amazing program, which not only gets you thinking, but if you want to and sign up(I do not remember anybody making me)then go on to be financially better off, then that my friend is the value.
Which you cannot buy from eBay.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:28 pm iwonder(Quote)
Oh dear….
That still won’t make me tell you Martin
hehe
August 31st, 2009 at 5:29 pm Rodney(Quote)
With pleasure. And why the secrecy? Kind of reminds me of how difficult is was/is to get hold of the Beyond Freedom pack before purchasing it. I still haven’t seen it.
I will be happy to be proved wrong, of course. I am still a member of LLI. Just haven’t invested in the products yet.
But I did look at the new website and the price is indeed $29.95.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:30 pm Lance(Quote)
Thinking about being financially better off, whilst engaging in excessive credit capitalisation, is bad business strategy, no matter how amazing it is, regardless of how many people you know making money off it. Money coming in doesn’t always equal profit.
Perhaps your advisor didn’t tell you this?
August 31st, 2009 at 5:34 pm iwonder(Quote)
There are pics of the Beyond Freedom pack on LLI?
I don’t understand?
Rodney you will know soon enough I am sure, as you “guys” seem very interested in LLI and the websites.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:36 pm iwonder(Quote)
I have not put a cent on credit.
My advisor at no point told me to put anything on credit.
Lance….please do not “assume”
I love how it is someone else’s fault when people make poor financial decisions…Like getting fat and sueing McDonalds.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:38 pm iwonder(Quote)
on a nicer note- I am making curry for dinner- anyone want some ?
August 31st, 2009 at 5:45 pm iwonder(Quote)
lol….no but you can have some curry!
(ps: nope, i am not the other person who commented “concerned” but can see why you think that cos I think the same about Rodney/Martin/Vince)
I do however know someone who says toodles and that cant be too common?
August 31st, 2009 at 5:47 pm iwonder(Quote)
absolutely.
advertising etc is all taken into account.
after all, what’s the point if you make sales only to use that in ad money?
My profit is just that.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:51 pm Lance(Quote)
You may not have, but there is an excessive paper trail that Tony Rush (and others in the EMC) have been torching / burning the books on LLL.ning and elsewhere regarding financial advice in order to get people to the conferences/events. Guess they need less evidence when they’re attempting to dodging that $5mil class action lawsuit, methinks.
I do believe Raina in Australia went as far as turfing out the rest of her co-op if they didn’t attend the Super Saturday on the Gold Coast and pony up the hard cash to stay part of the game. That says a lot for the credibility of Polaris/LLI business strategy, doesn’t it?
And yet, again, you remain blind to the fact:
Dispensing financial advice is illegal unless accredited by ASIC in Australia, yet Polaris/LLI staff do it at length.
You can bleat like a sheep that Polaris is amazing, BF has value and the conferences rock, but until all Polaris advisors from the top to the smallest downline in Australia are accredited with ASIC, your words don’t carry any weight. Why ? Because having a company dispense financial advice to another “business”, no matter how small, either an ACN or ABN, needs to be in step with ASIC when trading across Australia.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:52 pm Rodney(Quote)
Oh, for goodness sakes! There are pictures of Beyond Freedom and every other new package on the Polaris site. Thought you would have known that.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:54 pm iwonder(Quote)
Thats my point Rodney- you misread my quote
I wondered why YOU had not seen them
August 31st, 2009 at 5:54 pm Rodney(Quote)
iwonder, I said the NEW website.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:54 pm iwonder(Quote)
Turfing out her co-op? What exactly did that entail?
I am intrigued…
August 31st, 2009 at 5:55 pm iwonder(Quote)
Calm down charlie brown! LOL
August 31st, 2009 at 5:56 pm Lance(Quote)
Oh, and
@I Wonder.
You still haven’t demonstrated how Polaris isn’t a scam when it’s got multiple governments across the globe chasing it for numerous financial related issues.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:59 pm Vince(Quote)
iwonder- Just type a bit more, I’m nearly convinced Polaris is a great investment. Just a few more comments and I’ll be in the game for sure. I’m hanging on your every word. Thanks.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:00 pm Lance(Quote)
I don’t know. It’s a small point in a much larger question you refuse to answer.
Your ongoing refusal to deal with the major questions:
1. Scam status from various governments
2. ASIC financial advice issue
is telling in and of itself, though.
I’m just glad my case doesn’t rest on Raina, in the same way your case rests on Polaris/LLI being valuable, people making money (although not profit!).
August 31st, 2009 at 6:00 pm iwonder(Quote)
You wouldn’t qualify Vince, sorry.
At least I wouldn’t put you through.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:00 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Uh what? I used tpg wireless in queensland as a hyopothetical to explain something to you, which you thanked me for. There’s over four million people in Queensland, I think you’re identity is safe for now.
For someone who publicly posts their email address you seem an awful lot worried about security.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:01 pm iwonder(Quote)
I don’t REFUSE to…lol….I am making dinner and back and forwards to the pc..
I guess as far as the financial advice part goes, I can’t help you with that one as it has not been my experience.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:03 pm iwonder(Quote)
No not at all.
Just seemed a little of a coincidence when that is who i use and where i live???
Just seemed a little nasty to me *shrug*
August 31st, 2009 at 6:04 pm Vince(Quote)
That’s bullshit. Tony Rush himself said I get in this business what I AM. I am better than this, and all you’re doing is talking me down. You are not a true LLI’er. I’m going to tell Rachael Oliver on you! I’m gonna be the best Polaris person ever! you wait and see!
August 31st, 2009 at 6:04 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Queensland is the Liberty League associate capital of Australia. With odds like that I wouldn’t read too much into it.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:05 pm Lance(Quote)
@I Wonder,
Surely your uplines have taught you in how to deal with these questions? Isn’t it in the BF manual or something?
Or are you that new to the game that you’ve been left without support, and just been buoyed on the hype surrounding Super Charged Saturday to make your sales?
August 31st, 2009 at 6:11 pm iwonder(Quote)
Lance, thing is I do not have to answer any question you pose.
I am “attempting” to have a conversation with people hell bent on bagging mine, friends, and family’s businesses.
A site where we help eachother with marketing ideas etc has recently been logged into by such people for example, telling members that SuperCharged Saturday had been cancelled etc (which of course just took place), so excuse me if this negativity and nastiness gets a little “old”.
I can’t help you with the scam thing as quite simply, it has not been my experience.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:12 pm iwonder(Quote)
meh…we will have to agree to disagree
August 31st, 2009 at 6:13 pm iwonder(Quote)
What you are is negative and nasty.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:18 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
There’s more associates in Queensland then any other Australian state or territory, what’s there to disagree on?
Queensland is where all this crap comes from in Australia.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:21 pm Lance(Quote)
@I Wonder
Having something as “not my experience” doesn’t stop it being illegal in the sight of governments, and therefore leaving you (as a business) open to prosecution. You are running Polaris/LLI as a business, right, and not under the radar of the ATO?
I know most home businesses have had no effective business management training anyway, but from what it sounds, there is none being delivered by anyone within Polaris/LLI.
If you want to help people with marketing ideas, join Toastmasters and your local Chamber of Commerce. Shelling out upwards of $50k in order to achieve the sales to attend a conference which is 99% hype and next to no substance is, when you look at it from a business perspective, bad business strategy.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:22 pm Vince(Quote)
LOL that’s awesome. I would’ve loved to have been a fly on the wall.. I can imagine it now…
Tony ‘Delete’ Rush: “You are all wonderful! You are all great!”
* massive high fives by all *
“You’re great!” “No you’re great!”
“No you’re great!” “No you’re great!”
“No you’re great!” “No you’re great!”
“Let’s just agree that we’re both great!”
“Yay”
August 31st, 2009 at 6:29 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
You forgot the techno aerobics music and cheerleaders!
August 31st, 2009 at 6:30 pm Rod(Quote)
Don’t forget Rachel Oliver: “make sure you get what you came here for”
August 31st, 2009 at 7:31 pm James(Quote)
LOL.. I haven’t had such a read in a long from a blog or forum. Thanks OZ for putting the facts on the table about LLI and Polaris.
August 31st, 2009 at 7:51 pm Rodney(Quote)
iwonder:
Forget the clever back-peddling and ducking and diving on the real issues. For some reason you keep going for the easy “I know better than you” approach.
LLI has been labeled a scammy pyramid scheme here in Australia and is obviously being treated the same way overseas.
Now this is a simple question for you:
What is your response to the fact that it has been labeled as such?
Oh and to clarify:
My point was that no one has offered me a look at Beyond Freedom IN REAL LIFE. IN THE FLESH. It is like the Holy Grail. Just can’t see it until I buy it.
Complete BULLSHIT! Why would you spend $1500US on a product you can’t even touch/look at/consider/smell?
August 31st, 2009 at 7:55 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
The box art for beyond freedom is an extreme closeup of some guys crotch. Might want to be a bit careful there smelling it yeah.
August 31st, 2009 at 7:58 pm iwonder(Quote)
enjoy your negative lives guys
Speaking to you is pointless.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:05 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
The question:
The answer:
Ladies and gentlemen this is what being a distributor of Polaris Media Group is all about.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:07 pm Rodney(Quote)
iwonder, answer my bloody questions! it appears ASKING you is pointless!!! LOL!
Who is being negative? I am POSITIVE something stinks. And POSITIVELY THRILLED I didn’t spend $1500 on Saturday on BF.
The fact that you won’t answer straight-forward questions says it is obvious you just don’t have an answer.
If you are going to go from here, go. Don’t hang around picking and choosing what you want to answer and what you don’t. That does not improve any of our our takes on LLI/Polaris whatsoever.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:15 pm Rodney(Quote)
Ha ha! You never know – that might actually represent good value for money! LOL!!
August 31st, 2009 at 8:31 pm Sector 7(Quote)
OMFG – Spot the Barrister Impersonation FAIL!!
Are we meant to be intimidated? or dazzled and amazed?
Or Is that post a pathetic attempt to give yourself & LLI/ Polaris added credibility?
There isn’t barrister on the face of the earth who would phrase a post like that.
Are Liberty Leaguers that desperate to add credibility to LLI & Polaris that they now impersonating Barristers?
I truly feel sorry for the greedy little muppets.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:37 pm another douglas(Quote)
I feel sorry for the victims of the ” greedy little muppets ”
August 31st, 2009 at 8:42 pm Vince(Quote)
Is it just me or does Tony Rush’s face look like it’s been hit head-on with about a thousand bricks? Or was it placed in a vice?
August 31st, 2009 at 9:27 pm Rodney(Quote)
iwonder who was feeling the heat! LOL
August 31st, 2009 at 9:59 pm Martin(Quote)
It’s no wonder so many Liberty League Associates fail miserably when they’re depending on financial advice from these ‘advisors’ passing themselves off as ‘leaders’.
PolarisMediaGroup must be thrilled to have these talented personel on board fronting their new fantastic opportunity in such fine style. The eloquence and prose composition in the posts are something that companies would pay huge money for yet PMG are getting it for free….
Hang on… sorry, these super competant ‘advisors’ are in fact paying PMG for the chance to promote something but yet they cannot/ are refusing to explain what exactly they are promoting or what the costs involved are.
Makes for a bright future for them don’t you think?
August 31st, 2009 at 10:05 pm boris(Quote)
An excellent book I would recommend to everybody here is “SHAM” Self help and actualization movement, by Steve Salerno. It is subtitled “How the gurus of the self-help movement make us helpless” and exposes how the thinly credentialed “experts” dispense worthless or even counterproductive advice on everything from mental health to relationships to diet to personal finance and business strategy. One of his quotes is “We all want so badly believe in miracles. That’s what makes us vulnerable. And that’s what makes them rich” And you know, it only costs about $25.
August 31st, 2009 at 10:07 pm boris(Quote)
In regard to Tony’s face, I too wondered why someone who flys around the place in executive jets can’t afford to get his teeth fixed
August 31st, 2009 at 10:45 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
What gets me about Rush is those beady little eyes. They just look manipulative.
Sidenote: If you’re going to google image search Tony rush make sure you have safe search on, evidently there’s a gay porn star that goes by the same name.
…well that’s my night ruined.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:02 pm phife(Quote)
Notice when you search Polaris Media on facebook, it comes up as a Financial Service.
AFS license?
Methinks ASIC may need to be involved also….
September 1st, 2009 at 1:53 am Martin(Quote)
Interesting!!
“IMPORTANT NOTE: The NSW Office of Fair Trading has advised that Liberty League and the Polaris Media Group has been found to be a pyramid trading scheme and is illegal to participate in or promote in the Australian state of New South Wales. Fair trading has legal advice confirming that the scheme (Liberty League) is a pyramid sales scheme within the meaning of the act. Participants and promoters who are involved in the scheme not only risk losing their money but are also at risk of being prosecuted. All advertisers have been deleted as this is not tolerated on WAHM.”
Source:http://www.workathomemums.com.au/business_opportunities_wahm.html
September 1st, 2009 at 2:46 am Roly(Quote)
@mark dempsey, @Concerned (et al) – bwahahahahha! Can’t speak for any other poster here, but maybe I’m a lot better off than you think, and did it honestly, can hold my head up, sleep at night, and still count long term clients as friends.
I’m laughing my arse off at people who are clawing to be in my position telling me how to get here, but who obviously don’t know an investment from a poke in the eye.
Most LLI (&c) sheeple would kill for my “shitty existance”, debt free, spending most of my time birdwatching at my country property. How many of YOUR clients will be trying to get you to come out of early retirement and apply your skills for them again in 10 or 20 years time? And how many will be wishing you an ugly death for what you’ve done to them?
LLI’ers sneering at 9 to 5′ers is highly amusing considering they have to spend so much time bottom feeding on the phone trying to beat prospects out of the underbrush, lower than a drone in a call centre. You’d have a better chance, and more fun, getting rich quick pumping the pokies at your local RSL.
I’ll share some of my secrets for free;
1) invest some years getting qualified at what you love doing
2) invest some more years learning the practicalities working for someone
3) strengths will take care of themselves, it’s the weaknesses you have to concentrate on
4) make your clients’ problems your own
5) only invest in extra capacity when you are overloaded
All the opposite of what LLI is telling you.
@Andy Baker – if you are indeed a UK “barrister” you should know that pyramid schemes are illegal in Australia, and that the NSW DoFT is now satisfied that LLI fits that description.
Tell us, as a legal expert, how far a defence of “I’ve *stopped* robbing people” would get you in Court? Speaking generally, how long does the criminal liability of someone participating in an illegal activity, such as a pyramid scheme, persist?
@I wonder – You’re obviously not the sharpest knife in the drawer if you think your IP address has been posted here, it hasn’t. Guessing TPG is your ISP is hardly rocket surgery. After reading quite a few (attempted) rebuttals around the web and taken a close look at a number of LLI related websites it’s obvious that LLI’ers aren’t big on details, and that doesn’t bode well for any business venture. In short, you are doing this because you are *greedy* and/or *inexperienced* and/or *incapable* of anything more constructive.
It’s easy to profile you as a youngish housewife, didn’t finish school, couple of kids maybe just started highschool (but your current partner isn’t their father), total business experience working as a receptionist before marrage, dabble in New Age modalities like astrology and past lives, homeopathy, and of course government conspiracies.
@Lance, August 31st, 2009 at 4:58 pm – very well put sir.
Bottom level LLI’ers actually DO have cause to be paranoid and doubt the motives of sites that bag LLI because there ARE site out there that are doing so to promote other schemes.
But as far as I can see LU is only LLI repackaged.
The red flags are up all over the web about these so called business opportunities, ignore them at your peril.
@Martin September 1st, 2009 at 1:53 am – good find sir.
September 1st, 2009 at 5:55 am iwonder(Quote)
My favouriote so far”
“It’s easy to profile you as a youngish housewife, didn’t finish school, couple of kids maybe just started highschool (but your current partner isn’t their father), total business experience working as a receptionist before marrage, dabble in New Age modalities like astrology and past lives, homeopathy, and of course government conspiracies.”
This truly cracked me up as how far off the mark you are.
I will not attempt to “profile” you as I do not know you. Maybe something you should have considered before attempting this inept evaluation? You did get one part right- I am female. The rest actually did make me giggle. Is this in fact a description of yourself?
As for the anonymity- the name “Roly” is extremely descriptive isn’t it? No?
And if you are apparently here to “help” people in regard to LLI…why are you so very agressive towards myself and anyone who does not agree with you, yet so far up the behind of anyone at all who shares your viewpoint?
I am rather confused at the purpose of this site.
Is it created to “help” people as it is so often implied, or is it just an excuse for you to feel important, and like you are uncovering some big scam because you are…dare I say….bored with your current lives?
September 1st, 2009 at 6:13 am iwonder(Quote)
I went to the site, and searched “Polaris” and “Liberty League”
NO result found.
Went to the affiliated government site “scamwatch”
Searched “liberty league” and “polaris”
NO result found
?
(by the site I mean the NSW Office of Fair Trading)
Anyways, I am speaking with a representative soon and will know for myself without the hateful hype spouted here.
September 1st, 2009 at 6:36 am iwonder(Quote)
and come on ozsoapbox….you can’t pick and choose which of my comments you approve..
Ozsoapbox-
Just out of curiousity, do you have any say whatsoever on which Google Advertising appears on this site?
Ozsoapbox-
Reason I ask this, is I wonder if you realise that most of the advertising on this site is from another company, of which a major part of their marketing setup is aimed at negativity and attempting to knock LLI?
And if are, as you say, impartial….are you happy with the advertising emblazoned all over your site for this company. Who in fact, claims to support the same concept in Personal Development Sales?
Or do you have no control, and just put this down to a lucky coincidence?
September 1st, 2009 at 7:24 am iwonder(Quote)
The site was down for 3 hours.
My oh my…that is just terrible isn’t it?
September 1st, 2009 at 7:27 am iwonder(Quote)
The ACCC site has no mention of Liberty League whatsoever.
Nor Polaris.
Want to see for yourself?
http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/142
September 1st, 2009 at 7:34 am iwonder(Quote)
Can anybody show me a GOVERNMENT site that is CREDIBLE, and not written by a random blogger?
Anyone?
Happy to look?
September 1st, 2009 at 7:40 am iwonder(Quote)
Yet another site with NO mention of Liberty League/Polaris whatsoever, despite posts on the contrary on this site.
Want to check it out for yourself?
http://www.scamwatch.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/693900
September 1st, 2009 at 7:47 am iwonder(Quote)
Where are ther facts? I must have missed them…
September 1st, 2009 at 8:07 am Boris(Quote)
looks like iwonder is following liberty scam’s many tricks in repeated posting of crap as on youtube with all their “testimonals” etc hoping to drown the truth in a sea of shite
September 1st, 2009 at 8:09 am Paul Starr(Quote)
Crikey, you people need to get a life. The comment OZ makes about not understanding how Liverty league International can market a business opportunity continually is fine. We get it you don’t understand. I didn’t join Liberty League but I do understand network marketing. You admit you don’t therefore why try and pour scorn on their business. It is obviously NOT a scam. I studied them for over 60 hours and though not for me, I found it is a proven business model with sound ethical practices and results based products. Why do malcontents with no business skills think they can publish their ignorant, half baked rantings and pass them off as informed?
September 1st, 2009 at 8:11 am iwonder(Quote)
My response to this as you are very impatient and expect me to answer 10 questions at once-
“LLI has been labeled a scammy pyramid scheme here in Australia and is obviously being treated the same way overseas”
Is that I would predict that some would “lable” it a scam.
And that I would like you to show me where exactly the CREDIBLE facts are. Saying things are “labeled” and using “obviously” with nothing to back it up is well…interesting. I must remember that if I ever get a speeding ticket… “Well OBVIOUSLY officer, I don’t think I was speeding…and I “label” myself a good driver..” I am sure that stands up in court…right?
Go to YouTube. There are videos there that show POEPLE OPENING THEIR BEYIND FREEDOM BOXES.
I actually saw and played a dvd before I purchased my BF, as my friend kindly loaned me his. Maybe you need nicer friends?
It is to be posted to you….if you ordered something from TV for example, would you want them to bring it round to show you first?
Are you one of those people who get annoyed because there is crap on tv, but don’t realise you can turn it off?
September 1st, 2009 at 8:19 am Vince(Quote)
^
Yawn.
September 1st, 2009 at 9:05 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
If you need independent verification have a look at Work at home mums. They are quoting the same information I obtained over the phone.
Presumably they have independently verified the claims and are willing to ban ads from Liberty League and Polaris to protect their business from future litigation.
As of yet the Office of fair trading haven’t made the report public, I’m not sure what the delay in this is.
Interestingly Careermums are claiming Polaris has also been classed as a pyramid scheme too.
I have a spam filter that holds certain comments for moderation. If I’m asleep or busy they might not get looked at for a while. The only comments I knock back are the ones that don’t add anything to the discusion (eg. ‘lol you suck’ comments).
I can block the ‘home business category’ altogether but have no control over what is specifically shown within the category. In addition to this Adsense’s interest based advertising might match ads based on previous sites you have visited. You can read more about the program here.
I honestly haven’t looked into Lifepath and I’m not affiliated with them in any way. OzSoapox isn’t just about Liberty League so I think it’s a bit unfair to jump to the conclusion that I support or am involved in the Lifepath just because I haven’t written about them.
September 1st, 2009 at 9:29 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
Hi Paul, care to explain why the NSW office of fair trading have classified them as a pyramid scheme then?
I’d like to think that in conducting my own research into how the company operates I’ve developed a pretty good understanding of how Liberty League operate (but admittedly not the MLM industry as a whole).
September 1st, 2009 at 9:41 am Cushla(Quote)
I thought at first I was engaging in a forum run by sensible intelligent people, but now I see I was mistaken. The conversations have deteriorated to the low level that reflects otherwise. hmmm disappointing, but reflects the true nature of those involved.
September 1st, 2009 at 9:44 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
I am most sorry to hear your life is devoid of humour.
September 1st, 2009 at 9:50 am Rod(Quote)
Seems there is a little confusion over at the Liberty League Life camp…..
James Marotta:
Guys everything will be/was explained at supercharged saturdays or sunday… if you werent at an event… get to spain right now!.
Jake taylor:
I understand what u say James but thats not what Im hearing basically some rumors……well not really rumors on certain sites that actually Tony is still selling LL and possibly taking it over which is fine by me and so on so before I proceed to sell what I have now I would like to know whats what now not later
Me personally I like the biz model of LL now it has worked since for he last 8 yrs so why change it right?
Craig and Tracy Paszak:
Hi Jake. I can completely understand what you are saying about wanting to know what is going on. We were unable to attend yesterdays event in LA. I also understand what you are saying about hearing rumors. That being said, perhaps you should not be posting little bits and pieces of rumors you have heard here on the forum. If you want accurate information you have a couple of choices;
1. Go the the event next weekend in Spain and get it right from the EMC and Shane
2. Contact Tony directly and ask your questions.
3. Contact your advisor and ask your questions.
Jake Taylor:
Well thanks for your post but I wasnt really asking for your input on how or what I should be saying I will be the judge of that and you need to be quiet if you are going to comment on that I did ask Tony this forum is me asking so look at the title before you verbally vomit al over my post with your silliness
Secondly Im not going to freaking Spain come on are you? no of course your not and I said rumors true but bad wording its facts the move ot Polaris as happened and as far as Tony taking over the LL portion its the same WEBSITE not rumors I looked at about Tony as Polaris so I think Im more in my own right to say what I wanna say
Im not here trying to stir any pot so quit being ignorant and looking into things that are not there I am simply asking a few normal questions on things I see to be true and quite reliable there not out of line or personal its not like Im asking hey I heard so so is getting a divorce Im asking company related questions so I know what to do and what to expect not much to ask from that
So unless you know or have better info than what I have already posted then you probably shouldnt post
Oh and I can post the website I am referring to if you like then you will know its not made up crap by me if you want but thats up to Tony Im just waiting on his reply or he can email me he has my email address no biggie thanks
Jake
I wonder which site Jake is referring to…..
September 1st, 2009 at 9:53 am Cushla(Quote)
Gutter Humour? Judging others on their physical attributes? I wonder what you look like…… You’ve just exposed yourself to me, anyway. I’ll take another look at LLI/Polaris, or whatever it’s called. At least those that are involved seem to be positive in their attitudes. Perhaps you should take a proper look too?
September 1st, 2009 at 9:59 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
Nobody is judging Polaris or Liberty League on how Tony Rush looks.
Liberty League and Polaris have are being judged by the Australian public based on the publicly available information I have presented here, the independant report conducted by the NSW office of fair trading and the countless experiences shared by people who have been directly involved in the business.
September 1st, 2009 at 10:00 am Vince(Quote)
Cushla: Commenting on someone’s looks does not display lack of intelligence whatsoever, in my opinion.
Rod- HAHA yeah how funny is that? Such a great leader Tony is.
“The company is changing name. Everything is changing, but to hear more, pay me $12,000 for a conference so I can tell you more about it.”
Oh man, those people aren’t too bright.
September 1st, 2009 at 10:01 am Martin(Quote)
http://www.workathomemums.com.au/business_opportunities_wahm.html
No need to search. Its there for all to see in the middle of the linked page.
copy and paste to your browser to get the link to work.
I see the Beyond Freedom really really does work well for you.
September 1st, 2009 at 10:04 am Cushla(Quote)
What do you call this then?
September 1st, 2009 at 10:09 am Lance(Quote)
Let me guess, Cushla, you’re not an Aussie.
More than a few people commenting in defence of Polaris/LLI have already been caught out on how Aussie’s relate.
September 1st, 2009 at 10:17 am Lance(Quote)
@I Wonder,
Still got that nasty problem with ASIC about Polaris providing “Financial Service” as confirmed by their Facebook “group” designation, irrespective of the DoFT/ACCC pyramid MLM stuff.
To even advertise that you’re offering “financial service” in Australia means ASIC wants a piece of you. Sorry, but I would suggest you rethink your business strategy immediately. Last thing you need is to be barred from running a company for 20 years by ASIC.
That would seem a nice tombstone for the entire Polaris saga, by the way. Having all the uplines and downlines barred from running businesses ever again.
September 1st, 2009 at 10:22 am Martin(Quote)
@Rod.
Oh dear.
If past performance is any indication poor Jake will soon be banned and all his content deleted from their forum. Imagine having the audacity to ask a question on the forum that doesn’t include the words
“super awesome” “LLI Rocks” “Tony, you are such a hero”
I love Jakes comment “verbally vomit al over my post with your silliness”
From the ‘Uncut’ version of Beyond Freedom, no doubt.
September 1st, 2009 at 10:28 am Vince(Quote)
Either Tony hasn’t seen it yet or he doesn’t care anymore, because of PMG. It is quite some “negative energy” coming from Jake….naughty. Speaking your mind on LLi is totally against the rules. Also, there have been no new members for days.
September 1st, 2009 at 10:32 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
I call that giving my impression on how Tony Rush looks. How is that in any way related to the credibility of Liberty League/Polaris?
I think Kevin Rudd looks like a school boy, that doesn’t form the basis of my opinion on the Australian government though.
Do you honestly believe anyone is basing their opinions on the company on how Tony Rush looks rather then the information presented to them on Liberty League/Polaris?
September 1st, 2009 at 10:39 am Vince(Quote)
No but I think they’re trying whatever they can to distract people from what’s really going on here. And to be honest, you’re kinda falling for it. Either way, it’s all fun
September 1st, 2009 at 10:41 am Martin(Quote)
@ Vince.
Tony is probably too busy with the $5 million dollar lawsuit at the moment to worry about trivial matters such as Jakes questions on wtf is going on..
Jake seems to have a habit of throwing up a few choice comments and has so far survived the chop. Maybe ‘Delete’ Rush has a soft spot for the man.
September 1st, 2009 at 11:19 am Martin(Quote)
I see the delete button is getting a work out on the Polaris Youtube channel comment page. There were several references to Liberty League there a few hours ago…. now gone!
http://www.youtube.com/user/PolarisMediaGroup
September 1st, 2009 at 11:24 am Cushla(Quote)
I am Australian Lance, and came to this forum while researching LLI. I’ve not joined the organisation (at this point), and have made observations under the other topic heading “how bad is it” or something like that.
I’m not sure what you mean by “commenting in defence of” means, as I wasn’t aware that I was. If you look at my comments under the other heading you’ll see that my comments were not all positive at all, but was rather searching for information.
Neither am I sure about what you mean by “caught out”. Perhaps you’d care to clarify.
This forum seems to be just a personal mud-slinging match loaded with sarcasm, much of it coming from the site’s developer.
I’ll look elsewhere and hopefully will get some facts.
September 1st, 2009 at 11:25 am Vince(Quote)
Don’t forget to flag it as a scam
September 1st, 2009 at 11:27 am Vince(Quote)
Cushla- we don’t care, just join them already! If you don’t believe us, then join them and find out for yourself.
September 1st, 2009 at 11:44 am Vince(Quote)
People seem to be under the impression that we actually care if you join or not. We have nothing to lose either way, it’s your money. We have no “hidden agenda”. Personally, if after reading all this, you still decide to join, good luck to you.
September 1st, 2009 at 11:48 am Lance(Quote)
You don’t know its an Aussie tradition to rib your mates? Some of the Aussie sarcasm has been lost on other people.
Since you’ve been researching, you now know:
1. Polaris/LLI is up for breaches of “financial advice” under ASIC, leaving you exposed to ASIC litigation simply by becoming part of their “financial service” group/network. I haven’t told ASIC yet; I’ve just worked out that they’re liable due to working within the financial services industry myself.
2. The DoFT/ACCC pyramid issue, as researched by OzSoapBox.
3. The stories from ex-LLI people who are in debt, who have been told to get in debt and so on.
So, from a business perspective, they’re the 3 negatives you have to deal with in a SWOT analysis for the business.
Thus far, your only positive is that you know of a person who had made some sales and increased in confidence. However, you don’t know/haven’t divulged if they have actually made a profit yet.
Would you invest in a business that has Fair Trading, ASIC and a $5mil dollar lawsuit on its tail, and consider that good business advice?
September 1st, 2009 at 11:59 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
Before even opening their doors, Polaris Media Group has already been removed from Wikipedia:
The entry was created less then three hours ago.
September 1st, 2009 at 12:50 pm Muzza(Quote)
Sorry, just have to say I think it’s pretty funny how those involved seem to be of the opinion that if you aren’t able to make any sales it’s your fault and not the systems’. That would mean, based on the official statistics, the vast majority of members have only themselves to blame for not making any money from ‘their’ business.
I also find it funny that if you have anything to say against these types of businesses you instantly have a negative attitude.
I don’t disagree that people have made alot of money from these businesses in that past and no doubt they will in the future. But unfortunately the vast majority don’t make much from it at all, due to many reasons.
September 1st, 2009 at 1:25 pm iwonder(Quote)
Er…thanks for posting another non- government or official site?
LOL…I saw that one already…and commented on it…and asked you for REAL PROOF FROM A GOVERNMENT SITE
Have you guys nothing better to do?
Please do not assume people are stupid and will believe heresay.
I am more than open to CONCRETE PROOF from GOVERNMENT WEBSITES but so far there is just more inane tripe…
Do you sit around all day Googling a company that has been around for 8 years and is going strong?
Just curious…
And what DO you think of LifePath ozSoapbox?
And there is your “helpful” attitude towards people and assisting them not to join…
Nice comment saying that the people joining whom you wrongly believe are being duped- you hope they get a lawsuit against them?
Nice.
Why ARE you on this site?
I found it now yes, thanks.
However- the page says it is deleted because it did not have information about the Company or the Importance of it…
Could it be….by chance… that they simply did not provide enough info?
LOL.. nice try though
September 1st, 2009 at 1:43 pm James(Quote)
Thats because its been removed…. 3 hours after being posted on Wikipedia
September 1st, 2009 at 1:45 pm Martin(Quote)
Thats proof enough for me.
September 1st, 2009 at 1:48 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Call them up and ask them yourself. 13 32 20, the report was on ‘Liberty League International’ and was concluded May 5th 2009. They haven’t published the findings yet but you should be able to get verbal confirmation (and if you’re lucky they’ll read the report to you).
Damned if I do my research, damned if I don’t?
I honestly have not looked into Lifepath, which I’ve stated numerous times before.
For future reference you are able to quote multiple posts in one reply, just go back and hit quote after you’ve finished replying to a comment and that message will be copied below your reply.
September 1st, 2009 at 1:50 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
You clicked the wikipedia link provided and didn’t see the deletion message I quoted?
um…
September 1st, 2009 at 2:01 pm Martin(Quote)
Lifepath Oz, is the mob that seems to attract alot of ex Liberty Leaguers. Same drivel in a fancier package. I think the killer key difference is you get two wristbands and a spare trigger case.
September 1st, 2009 at 2:02 pm iwonder(Quote)
I am quite aure he is aware who they are.
September 1st, 2009 at 2:10 pm iwonder(Quote)
Ozsoapbox, I would be SURE that there would be an enquiry on hom businesses. Why wouldn’t there?
Thing is, nothing is noted at all in regard to findings from a report…when did you say it was…May?
They must not be in a hurry…and in no hurry also to list anything on their website
Again:
http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/default.html
September 1st, 2009 at 2:21 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
I’m cleaning up the mess at the moment. Future comments that are not consolidated will be removed.
Nobody wants to read 10 consecutive one liner replies from the same person, it’s annoying – don’t do it.
Replying to multiple comments can be done in the one box so there’s no need for to spam bomb.
edit: I’m also done explaining the Lifepath angle that Polaris associates continue to try and push. I’ve written an entire post adressing this, see “Why I write about Liberty League International“.
I am not explaining this over and over again.
September 1st, 2009 at 2:22 pm Boris(Quote)
Multiple posts all full of crap. But thats how lli/polaris does business
September 1st, 2009 at 2:24 pm iwonder(Quote)
Well now wouldn’t you know it.
Just got off the phone with the NSW office of Fair Trading…
“Sorry, at this moment in time there is nothing on the system”
And this is after the kind lady put me on hold to ask a SENIOR OFFICER.
You know…you almost had me there. I ALMOST believed you may have been saying something with substance.
You are all truly shameless.
No problem, apologies.
As much as I do not agree with you, it is your website after all.
September 1st, 2009 at 2:34 pm Lance(Quote)
@I Wonder
LLI US already has an existing class action lawsuit against them, to the tune of $5mil.
ASIC is very particular about seminars offering any form of financial services/advice, especially in regards to capitalisation on a product. Facebook pages, being published online, and available to the Australian public, are still classified as advertising/marketing channels, and as such, need to be both in step with ASIC AFS registration and Australian advertising laws.
That’s the law in Australia. Suck it up and deal with it.
Either PMG/LLI wants to adhere to the laws of the land or it doesn’t. Rather simple choice at the end of the day. Which do you think is the choice that displays integrity and honesty?
September 1st, 2009 at 2:43 pm iwonder(Quote)
Excuse me if I do not trust the legal quotes of people here,
after calling The NSW office of Fair Trading and finding that there was NO INFO ON POLARIS OR LIBERTY LEAGUE.
I ask anyone who reads this to do the same.
and as for integrity and honesty? Well posting that a Government body told you something that they did not (ie: that NSW fair trading had some open inquiry into LLI)would give you a clue huh?
Maybe you need to point that accusing finger at yourself?
September 1st, 2009 at 2:56 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
All I can say is that I called them up last Thursday and received a totally different response to what you got. I don’t know if you’re asking the wrong thing when you call them or talking to the wrong people.
The fact that an independant business (WAHM) has posted the same information, along with at least 2 other people having confirmed the report who have nothing to do with this site is currently all the proof there is.
Claiming that they did not tell me what they did over the phone is effectively calling me a liar. Do you really think I’d risk my credibility making up a quote from a government department and publishing it?
I even waited over 12 hours after the information was first brought to my attention by a reader so that I could personally verify the information myself before going live with it. When I did speak to them I was given permission to quote verbatim an excerpt of the findings.
I have a case number with them and a record of who I spoke to and when. Perhaps they have since been directed to not acknowledge the report, why I cannot say as I’m not the office of fair trading.
September 1st, 2009 at 3:04 pm Lance(Quote)
@I Wonder,
I’ve worked in the financial services industry dealing with registered AFS professionals, helping deliver marketing that conforms to ASIC requirements. I’ve dealt at length with ASIC, ACCC, ADMA and various DoFTs around Australia in order to ensure marketing doesn’t go south in the way PMG/LLI has just been savaged.
You’re just a home business, without (it seems) any business management training and understanding of advertising requirements relating to financial seminars (or any other type of seminars selling a product it seems). The information out of PMG/LLI isn’t helping you either, as you would have been able to meet and answer my questions.
If you want to run a business as a professional, you need to be a professional, not spout the whole “positivity = abundance” mantra. Being professional means you understand the obligations required to run a business. PMG, in its current form, doesn’t. I guess when someone says you’re a “Director” in your own PMG business, you get blinded by the titles, and ignore what that responsibility actually entails.
As to why I’m here, I came from Whirlpool via the 6FC thread. Attacking me personally and just further compounds the lack of credibility that PMG/LLI is facing.
Not the way to launch a rebrand in anyone’s books.
September 1st, 2009 at 3:08 pm iwonder(Quote)
I spoke to someone there and thinking the same- that I wanted to make sure I was speaking to the right person.
So she asked me to hold whilst she spoke to a senior officer.
I am quite confident the NSW Office of Fair Trading knows what they are talking about…
In that right now, as of the 1st of September (Spring- woo!) , there is absolutely NO information on Liberty League International or Polaris.
As I stated earlier, I would fully expect there to be interest from Government bodies. There is no reason there would not be. They looked into it, in May, and as of today there is no information at all on Liberty League or Polaris.
I do not know why WAHM (?) has posted this to their site….but I think I will go with the views of the NSW Office of Fair Trading themselves and not a website, if that is ok. As for the other opinions on here- when I believe that they are actually here to “help” people and not to just spread hate…well maybe then I will take their opinions on board.
September 1st, 2009 at 3:10 pm iwonder(Quote)
Attacking you personally? Really?
What exactly would you prefer I do?
Let me know.
September 1st, 2009 at 3:17 pm Muzza(Quote)
A little bit of info. By law the NSW Office of Fair Trading is NOT required to have on their website any business it has found to be acting illegally, same as in QLD. Mind you QLD is in the process of changing the legislation so that they have to report ALL claims against any business (whether founded or not) and to then update those investigations with the outcomes. Can see that opening a can of worms, if that eventuates. Considering what claims go into the QLD office, I’m not suprised that the NSW Office of FT doesn’t publish them all. So just be aware that just because a business is not on the NSW Office of Fair Trading website does not therefore imply it is functioning legally.
September 1st, 2009 at 3:30 pm Lance(Quote)
In social media, you live and die by your own words. Therein lies your attack, not to mention the spam bomb that OzSoapBox so kindly cleaned up for you.
I have no reason to accuse. I know the law, I know what is required of businesses to advertise. I’ve been in the marketing/media business for longer than LLI has been in existence and so can pick the scams and how they usually run.
You, as a representative and purchaser of PMG/LLI “products” for your downline, do not. The more you become defensive in order to protect what you believe about your “business”, being it’s “Director” in the new PMG structure, only tells me and the rest of the world that you are ill equipped by PMG itself to handle any contradictory data, even if it is part of Australian law.
And that’s it at the end of the day. Australian law vs PMG means PMG loses. Nothing really else to discuss..
See, if PMG was legit, you would at least have an understanding of how it conforms to ASIC financial services advertising, but you don’t even have that..
September 1st, 2009 at 4:05 pm Rod(Quote)
I was the one that originally called The Department of Fair Trading. I am in Sydney NSW and my name IS Rod. I received a confirmation letter from ASIC advising my complaint had been lodged and advised to call The Dept of Fair Trading as they may also be able to help with my complaint as well. I have lodged complaints against LLI as well as the big players here in Australia (most in QLD). I would say they are getting a lot of calls regarding this and probably not releasing the info to every Tom, Dick and Harry.
iwonder, if you had 100% faith in LLI/Polaris, you would not even be reading this.
September 1st, 2009 at 5:33 pm Douglas(Quote)
so a friend of mine was just on the phone sprouting about Polaris / LL… i wish her well, she loves it , so whats happening now , is the comapny legit will it be closed down , will anyone be prosecuted ??? could we all be wrong about it , maybe the ones that failed didn’t promote it enough ???, gees its confusing , i have to say my life is good , more money would be great , maybe i should just be content with what i have ????
September 1st, 2009 at 5:49 pm Vince(Quote)
Well Douglas, here’s a comment from their forum regarding the name change:
“I’d really like to know what we are to be doing right now. I came away to super sat with a couple of people ready to come on board on my return, and I promised them a follow up., Now I don’t know what I’m following them up with.”
This woman paid thousands for the conference and has no idea what the company is doing. In fact, she has come away from it not even knowing what she’s doing. Does that sound like a company you’d want to be involved with?
…it goes on:
“Are we still market as prior to sup saturday, or are we now doing the new? Anyone any ideas please?”
Plus there’s the lawsuit and the claim it’s illegal in NSW. Still sounds like a business you’d consider?
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September 1st, 2009 at 8:42 pm douglas(Quote)
sept 9 is the big launch apparently
September 1st, 2009 at 9:13 pm James(Quote)
Thats a big drop from $1495 to $495.. wonder how the profit is passed up to advisors? Also what would happen to all the people who signed up during Super Charged Saturday and paid $1495.
September 1st, 2009 at 9:25 pm Rod(Quote)
I am not sure, also there are a few other new products.
I forgot to mention on the above post that I have managed to access the Polaris Media Group “back office” called mypolarisonline. This is the equivalent of the Liberty League “back office” or online communication centre.
It isn’t fully functional yet. It is in pre-launch. Official Launch is 9/9/09 as Douglas has mentioned.
Lots of confusion over at Liberty League Life, Jake “Boomhauer” Taylor is not too happy.
September 1st, 2009 at 9:34 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Are Jake’s comments still live on LLI life?
Tony’s been flying around doing the conferences for Polaris and is due home soon so I imagine it’ll get cleaned up then. I had a busy day at work moderating OzSoapbox which left me with a bit of a headache so I can only imagine what it’s like trying to keep a forum full of associates postive whilst on the run.
Someone has already cranked up the PR machine over at Polaris however. I noticed sometime this afternoon LLI have started submitting the usual ‘press releases’, submitting them to various feed aggregator sites and passing them off as news to capitalise on Google search results for ‘Polaris Media Group’.
They’re also playing around with the Polaris site header, clearly it’s not relevant enough for them to rank just yet. They’ll rank eventually as time goes on but the big question is will it be before the big launch.
September 1st, 2009 at 9:54 pm Rod(Quote)
They sure are, he is not too happy. He likes the old LLI me thinks.
His last comment:
exactly Maria and thats all Iwas trying to do I gota lot of questions that need to be answered so I ko what to tell my people and so on and to continue to make money now and not wait around foir a launch of new products thats not what Im not going to do no need in it
Jake
Hilarious, I am sure he did the scripts for Jeff Boomhauer on King of the Hill.
September 1st, 2009 at 10:00 pm Rod(Quote)
And another:
actually Jason got busy didnt hear the call can u post it here if it is available online via a weblink or give me the digits I dont know where my stuff is at kind of a frustrating lol thanks
Jake
How on earth could this man be making money???
September 1st, 2009 at 10:05 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
I almost feel sorry for them. They’ve spent the last week getting people to initiate their orders (with a 10 day cooling off period if I remember correctly) before Supercharged Saturday and now they don’t know what to tell them.
Do they charge them the old overinflated prices or the new ‘hey where did all my profit go’ price?
I like how 1,500 turned up to the Australian saturday event but only 700 rocked up the US one on Sunday. Just shows you what the burnout on Polaris is.
I mean the US is what 300+ million people with LLI running for 8 years, meanwhile here in Australia they’ve been going for 2 years and we have 20 million.
New products or not I don’t see how this going to last. There just aren’t enough people here.
You don’t need to be competant remember, you just need to be able to make your advisor money by following the script.
September 1st, 2009 at 11:00 pm Martin(Quote)
@Rod.
I’ve seen a few mentions of Platinum membership which appears to refer to the old ‘full boat’
Anyone know how many precious metals there are?? That should be some indication of the mlm like levels for the future. Lol
Buy one dvd = Tin level
Buy two = Copper Level
Get to Gold and you get a free t-shirt and smiley face sticker.
What vision I have.. Krider eat your heart out!!
September 1st, 2009 at 11:26 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
lol the fake news PR release showing up on the Google search results for ‘Polaris Media Group’ has already been pulled. Just hours after it was released.
The link now redirects to a 404.
September 1st, 2009 at 11:45 pm Lance(Quote)
Need to kill the PR at its source, namely Marketwire.
It’s already been syndicated to Reuters
September 2nd, 2009 at 2:51 am Roly(Quote)
@iwonder – This truly cracked me up as how far off the mark you are.
…
As for the anonymity- the name “Roly” is extremely descriptive isn’t it? No?
We only have the word of “IWonder” for that, but that’s certainly the impression you give, a mercurial airhead with no eye for detail. It’s hard to know which end of the horse I’m talking to, the starry-eyed newbie, or the cynical criminal organiser. (nah, after rereading your posts we are obviously dealing with someone who couldn’t do up velcro slippers without pictorial instructions)
There you go again. I didn’t say anything about anonymity (go check).
Well YES actually, Roly IS who I am, but coming from someone with the nom de net “IWonder” that’s seriously funny; after Oz himself I might be the second most identifiable poster here. Whatmeworry?
See, I find this entire debate both amusing and entertaining because everything I have posted about myself here may be lacking in detail, but is true. I already have the freedom/liberty you crave. I’ve even told you how I got it, and I didn’t have to hock my grandmother. (BTW didn’t you say you weren’t going to make any more posts about a dozen posts back?
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The key point of that profile is a lack of real business experience. If you had had anything like minimal experience you would have run a mile from LLI (or any like entity, a pox on them all I say). The kindest interpretation I can put on the bluster coming from LLI supporters is that they simply don’t know they are tap dancing in a legal minefield.
It’s a more typically male blockhead thing “Don’t worry, I know exactly what I’m doing” BOOM! The only *amazing* thing about LLI, LifePath, Polaris, &c&c&c is that anybody could fall for it.
Let’s just contrast, for example, Swipe with LLI. With the former clients who are sold have an ongoing need for the CONSUMABLE product which should translate into ongoing sales. With LLI all that effort selling someone can only result in *one* sale (at a given level); nobody needs more than one personal development kit (unless they are as thick as a rock).
To make your *next* sale you have to start all over again from scratch with a new client. That sounds like a lot of hard work for a one shot return at best, while the Swipe agent, ferinstance, lets the quality of a CONSUMABLE product make ongoing sales for them.
@iwonder – and come on ozsoapbox….you can’t pick and choose which of my comments you approve
Oh yes he can. Welcome to the internet. It goes with the turf; his blog, his rules. But AGAIN you have got the detail wrong, your posts were only delayed by moderation. He’s giving you your say, and who wouldn’t when they are so revealing?
@iwonder – Just out of curiousity, do you have any say whatsoever on which Google Advertising appears on this site?
No. Like I remarked before, not big on detail. Context sensitive advertising is explained in a previous thread.
But it does bring up a point to ponder. Workathomemums.com.au has deleted LLI/Polaris adverts. This places them in an interesting position because the Australian Trade Practices Act allows very little scope for such an action unless it relates to an unlawful activity. I’ll bet that Lance knows much more about this than I do (since I’ve never had to advertise).
I’m inclined to agree with Vince, what Tony looks like is a distraction. Just play the ball guys.
In contrast, people in legitimate multi-level marketing earn money by selling genuine products to consumers, not from the recruiting process. Be aware though, some pyramid scheme promoters disguise their true purpose by introducing products that are overpriced, of poor quality, difficult to sell or of little value. Making money out of recruitment is still their main aim.
In Australia, it is against the law not only to promote a pyramid scheme, but even to participate in one.
http://www.scamwatch.gov.au/content/index.phtml/tag/PyramidSchemes
Lance (September 1st, 2009 at 3:30 pm) makes some excellent points, not least the obvious lack of any content related to the legal environment you seek to operate in. Perhaps complying with the law is too negative to mention.
September 2nd, 2009 at 9:38 am Rod(Quote)
Liberty League Life has been renamed to Polaris Media Group. Tony Rush is back with the following comments:
September 2nd, 2009 at 11:50 am Vince(Quote)
hahaha check out this one… lying to the bank to get money:
September 2nd, 2009 at 12:21 pm Susan shaw(Quote)
this webstie is extraordinary. i can only suppose that the owner is a lifepath participant. Liberty League ash nver paid people for enrolling people into the business; it has never worked like that because that is illegal; of course that is what Avon does; but not a word against any other direct sales business just the greatest one on the plant. Pooer rod ; what a hypocrite! joins liberty league and went tot he conferences but chose not to go the hear the speakers! what a clsoed mind he msut have; doees no work and then bleats. man oh man ; a grown up business requires work and commitment mate whether it is a franchise ( are they scams too mr moderator- after all you pay fees up front all based on hard work – just like Liberty League it is just that with a franchise you pay about $200k to $500k up front), no one promises you anything but an idea.It is up to you to make it work. What is all this talk about ‘victims’? how dare that woman in New Zealand suggest that I am a victim because I joined Liberty league. i dont need looking after. i am over 18 and make my own decisions; just all business owners do. So what is your problem.? by the way Lifepath, 21st Century Academy in Port melbourne and a a couple of other organizations all use the same 2 up compensation plan. and guess what I dont see you after them. no just liberty league becaeu it works!! People make afirtune!. you cna’t stand the fact that it works. It doesnt go ot he people at the top: that shows how litte youunderstna about this business and the comp plan. i ahve asoicates who joined after me and have earned heaps more than me ( and I have earned about $200k US in a year). so stop defaming us on this site;you are giving me the total creeps ; I am not a victim; unlike you I have integrity; I am not a naysayer or jealous because others do well; I rejoice for them; I assume that Rod is unemployed so get a life rod
September 2nd, 2009 at 12:28 pm Vince(Quote)
^
Whatever you do, don’t delete that above post lol. That’s gold.
Maybe she can team up with the amazing wordsmith Peter Poulidakis on this page.
Together they can rewrite the dictionary.
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:11 pm Sector 7(Quote)
@ Shaw.
We are not lifepath, they are next.
Nomen mihi Legio est, quia multi sumus.
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:26 pm Rod(Quote)
I have met that guy, he REALLY DOES need a nose job!
September 2nd, 2009 at 2:33 pm Lance(Quote)
But, hold on, if membership in PMG/LLL forums is a privilege, doesn’t that make all those who placed their hard earned cash (and extended credit / lying to the banks) into the various systems promoted by PMG/LLL a bit redundant if they get censored and removed from the forums?
All you need is one paying “associate” who gets kicked and there’s another ballgame with Fair Trading.
DoFT can be very particular about a customer purchasing a “financial service” and not receiving all aspects of the service, or even worse, having services removed.
Suffice to say, Tony has probably sunk the PMG ship again with DoFT thanks to this.
September 2nd, 2009 at 2:43 pm Rod(Quote)
Sure is.
The conference was amazing, looking at it post Liberty League was an eye opener, everybody was sharing rooms to cut costs, shopping at the local ABC supermarket to save money on food, even the so called leaders in the company were shopping there! Economy class travel and cheap shuttles from the airport, I saw it all, what a joke.
At a guess 95% were new people in Hawaii compared to Acapulco. The only familiar faces were the “top earners” amounting to about 30-40 with their sacrificial lambs in tow. If there are so many successful people in this business why aren’t the conferences doubling in size?
Stated earnings are one thing but cost to attain that is another. $200k would be more like $60k after costs such as marketing, conferences, accommodation, travel expenses, phone/office costs and TAX lol. Not much more than the average wage actually, probably less if you take into account working 10 hours a day 6 days a week up until 9-10pm at night with a bit of “me” time scattered throughout the day.
Yes I am unemployed, I feel so liberated since leaving LLI. Actually catching up on things I neglected whilst “doing my time” luckily my wife is still working and the bank has given us a break on the mortgage. A leader in the company who we had a chat with, basically told my wife to resign as that was blocking our business moving forward…..the scary thing was that at the time we almost obeyed her command!
The brainwashing training is very clever.
September 2nd, 2009 at 2:57 pm Dan(Quote)
Holy cow, I think Susan shaw brain my damaged from her Wall of Text.
Please to be using the paragraph in future, much easier to read, even if it is tripe….
September 2nd, 2009 at 3:59 pm Martin(Quote)
With ‘Leaders’ like Susan and Iwonder in the field, Polaris must be wondering…..
and wondering….
and wondering…
I know why Rod went to the conference in Hawaii… he knew he’d have buckleys and none of getting his money he paid for the tickets refunded.
Be aware all newbies… LibertyLeague never did refunds no matter what bull you hear. They ‘credit’ your account.
Lets see if Polaris are going to continue the tradition.
September 3rd, 2009 at 7:26 am Melinda(Quote)
There are way too many pessimists in this world. I don’t even belong to LLI, but I know enough to be aware that there is no scam about it and if you didn’t succeed then it is definately your own scepticism setting in. Sure it’s not for everyone, but I personally know a few who are making big dollars from this group and are regular people.
Leave it alone and let positive minds earn what they deserve. Good luck to the rest of you stuck in your average lives forever.
September 3rd, 2009 at 9:35 am Rachel(Quote)
Um Melinda the NSW Dept of Fair Trading have confirmed it is a Pyramid Scheme you can find the Letter of Proof Here – http://ozsoapbox.com/personal/liberty-league/liberty-league-a-scam-in-oz-polaris-media-group-next/
September 3rd, 2009 at 4:17 pm Damo(Quote)
Why is it that all these poor LLI souls assume that anyone speaking out against this scam is unhappy?
I have an amazing girlfriend and family, and a career that I love and get paid well to do.
I’m a very positive person, and am happy to say that LLI is positively the most blatent scam I’ve heard of in a while.
September 3rd, 2009 at 5:35 pm Rod(Quote)
Spot on Damo,
Now that I have escaped The
cultLeague, I can really focus on what is important, my beautiful wife and two gorgeous daughters. Money or no money, they are the most important thing in the world. Ironically while working the 8 hours a day with LLI from home, I had less quality time with my children that in my previous 9-5 job.September 3rd, 2009 at 6:53 pm Martin(Quote)
Liberty League training comes to the fore (even though not with LLI???)
Since when is ripping fellow human beings off being ‘positive’ or better than ‘average’
Its very easy to see here who the positive and successfull ones are.. they’re the people helping others to uncover the truth about shonky illegal pyramid schemes.
September 3rd, 2009 at 7:47 pm Paul(Quote)
I attended the Supercharged Saturday event on the Gold Coast and purchased “Beyond Freedom” for US $1495 the following day. I have now changed my mind about this organisation and have requested my money back from my advisor in acccordance with the 10 day cooling-off period.
The product arrived 3 days later and I want to return it immediately.It was sent from a distribution centre in Minto,Sydney.
I have contacted the Head Office in Arizona to find out where they want the product returned to.
Will I get my money back??
Apparently so, once the goods are returned unopened.
Will keep you posted!
September 3rd, 2009 at 8:02 pm Vince(Quote)
Excellent stuff Paul. It seems they do well playing with people’s emotions, and there’s a lot of emotions out there to be played with.
Be sure to spread the word and let others know.
September 3rd, 2009 at 8:04 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Hey Paul, according to the Polaris distributor agreement you’re advisor is supposed to take the product and is responsible for your refund.
I’d be taking it up with your advisor as I’m sure this is what head office will probably tell you.
September 3rd, 2009 at 8:17 pm Paul(Quote)
Have any others out there been in my situation?
If so how long before the refund was returned?
September 3rd, 2009 at 8:21 pm Martin(Quote)
Hi Paul.
There shouldn’t be an issue with YOU getting your money back. The issue would be with your advisor and LLI… She/He will not get money back but will be credited towards the next sale.
Imagine being an advisor having sold a ‘full boat’ and then had to refund… thats alot of money sitting with head office untill the next sale…. if there ever is one!
September 3rd, 2009 at 8:33 pm Martin(Quote)
Sorry Paul, we crossed posts just then.
The money will be coming direct from your advisor who may not be aware of this (something LLI ‘forget’ to mention)
The only delay would be if your advisor hasn’t got the cash at hand which, unfortunately, is a strong possibility.
Good luck. Keep the pressure on.
September 3rd, 2009 at 9:20 pm Rod(Quote)
Just in case, If your purchase of Beyond Freedom was a training sale for your advisor, the money will come from their advisor.
September 4th, 2009 at 10:23 am Mati(Quote)
I too have been looking at the business opportunities offered by these companies and came accross this site.
I have read all of the posts here both for and against and decided to go straight to the source.
I have phoned the ACCC & ASIC & Fair Trading and no warnings exist about these companies as claimed and in fact I could not even get a negative word.
It is unfortunate that the internet has become a place for misinformation not information.
Shame on you for spreading lies to damage companies who actually seem to be offering people postive opportunities for personal development and wealth creation, for those who are successful.
Maybe you should also focus on success instead of slander.
Such tall poppy cock.
SHAME ON YOU !!!
September 4th, 2009 at 10:51 am Rod(Quote)
Thats great, the doubt you obviously had is now gone, I suggest you join ASAP and get platinum qualified….Go for it, YOU DESERVE IT.
September 4th, 2009 at 10:54 am Rod(Quote)
Oh, and make sure you get a copy of “Know for Yourself” before doing any more research online. This is essential for your success with the new LLI.
September 4th, 2009 at 12:53 pm Martin(Quote)
I know someone who’ll loan you the $40 grand for platinum Mati, but you’d be better off borrowing maybe $70k as you’ll need to allow for travel and hotel expenses too. Allow about $10k a month for advertising ’cause being Platinum you will need to get a decent income pretty quickly.
Be sure and stop by and let us all know how you’re getting on.
September 15th, 2009 at 1:58 am Simon(Quote)
Hey OZ! Time for you to turn on Life Path me thinks. At least you’ll be able to prove that they are an illegal pyramid scheme. Or will you… Life Path members are leaving and joining Polaris now. Why would that be? You’re not making any ground on Polaris anymore so might as well give it up and do something more constructive with your time. Be sure to check out whatever you look at before you join so you can only blame yourself when you fail.
September 15th, 2009 at 2:03 am Simon(Quote)
P.S. OZ I suggest you get an update from DoFT and publish a very public appology and/or delete all the posts you have with such misleading information. Good luck mate, you’ll need it.
September 15th, 2009 at 5:22 am Roly(Quote)
@Melinda
For somebody not in LLI you sure have the script down pat. I’d guess from your terminology that you’re American and that you have no idea what bad news the DoFT determination is. Try thinking RICO Act and maybe you’ll start to get the idea.
Oh yeah, btw I was birdwatching on my country property most of last week and will be again this coming week. Unhappy? Lifestyle? How did you spend last week, and will spend next?
@Paul
Please do.
@Mati
But not the NSW DoFT. So what’s this then, Scotch mist?
Link to Fair Trading press release
Fair warning is fair warning, and if you don’t heed it you can only have yourself to blame.
@Simon
I can’t speak for anyone else but I wouldn’t touch ANY of these shoky get-rich-quick scams with a very long barge pole; I repeat, a pox on them ALL. I already have what you crave but I got it honestly and ethically.
Just (15/09/09) checked the DoFT link above and it’s still there, no correction or retraction. Surely your argument is with the *DoFT* determination and not those reporting it, and surely your line of action is to get the *DoFT* to retract it, then Oz and the rest of the media are obliged to report it (or you could post it as very effective rebuttal). But so far rebuttal has only been in the form of bald assertion and character assassination.
LLI has already threatened to sue OzSoapbox, but we are all dozing off waiting for them to make good on their threat. Why do you think that might be? No case? The last thing they want is a forensic examination of the entrails? Lacking yer actual writ we can only guess.
September 15th, 2009 at 9:51 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
Thanks for keeping the discussion going while I was away everyone, there’s been some interesting comments from both sides of the fence.
One of the things I did notice was this insistence that I’m still just making this all up. Seriously, what do some of you need? Rudd to stand up and read out a speech announcing Liberty League is a pyramid scheme?
Um, what’s there to update? I’m still in contact with DoFT and from what I can gather a lot of behind the scenes work and data gathering on Polaris distributors are being done by them.
September 15th, 2009 at 4:48 pm Anne-Maree(Quote)
What a wonderful forum!
My sister in law is involved with Polaris. I have not spoken to her about nor has she ever told me anything about it – she must consider me “uncoachable”! She seems to be doing everything possible to rake in those $$ with a website, bandit signs, facebook, ads etc. She’s been to Hawaii for the conference, went to Super Saturday and I think she’s going to Puerto Rico next. Her and her husband already have a tutoring business so I wonder if this is leveraging her business. She has 2 beautiful daughters, a really great house, 2 cars, really great friends but it doesn’t seem to be enough. Sad. Whatever. Good luck to her with it. I have no desire to sell something that has no purpose in life, is not useful, does not benefit the community in anyway shape or form.
I am happy with my life. I work at Woolworths a few nights a week, am at home with for kids in the day, I live in a beautiful part of NSW and I have great friends around me. I am a member of a surf club, a Volunteer organisation that actually is of use to the community.
I really want to go to Disneyland and Las Vegas one day with my kids, so I’ll save up for it.
Pointing out that the DOFT considers LLI a pyramid scheme does not make anyone negative as some who get on here seem to think. They are only pointing out a FACT.
It seems that some people think if you don’t have the latest gadget, the flashest car or the biggest house then you must be failing. I have a mortgage, bills to pay, two cars to run. I can afford it all with what little we have. I have an LCD TV, a DVD recorder, Foxtel, and IPOD, Playstation. My kids have clothes on their backs and full tummies.
I don’t go Hawaii for holidays, we go to the local beach, it only cost me a couple of dollars in fuel not $15k or whatever it is for a conference. I take them to Sydney on the train to explore what beautiful sights there are down there. Can’t afford Puerto Rico don’t want to go there anyway. Like I said before I’d rather save up and go to Disneyland.
Am I average? Yes I do believe I am. That’s okay with me it is not for others to judge. I’d rather be average and happy than be someone like iwonder who is rude and delusional.
Thanks for reading, I’ll go back to my average life and go and play average hopscotch with my average daughter on our average driveway near our average car.
Average Cheers!!
September 15th, 2009 at 9:56 pm bono(Quote)
Well said Anne Marree, you are a real person in my book , a person with integrity, not a parasite.
These people who are making a killing just dont seem to get or dont seem to care , or both, that for them to make money some
[many} have to loose money ,that is why we got out ,we wanted to sleep at night & now we feel better doing REAL work again.
Buyer beware !!!!!!!!!!!.
September 17th, 2009 at 8:03 pm Carla(Quote)
Sux hey. I wanted to join a class action against LLI and the scumbags have changed their name. How can we get these low lives.
I hope the authorities are onto them is all I can say.
How do I join the $5 mil lawsuit to get my money back? HELP! Fair Trading NSW sent me a letter to say LLI is a Pyramid Scheme, but they didnt say how I would get my money back.
Stop attacking Oz. Oz is spreading the word about a company that has ruined people’s lives in a downright scam. I have a hard copy of a letter send from NSW Fair Trading clearly stating LLI is a pyramid scheme.
Get informed before you slag off.
I totally agree with you Keelan. I am willing to be a part of a class action. The biggest problem I see is that my Advisor was in the US so I don’t see how the law bridges that international gap.
Also, even though I have a letter from NSW Dept of Fair Trading confirming LLI is a pyramid scheme, they didn’t tell me how I could get my money back.
Apologies for the multiple posts Oz, but I keep thinking of things to add. Love your new articles, you’re making such a different by getting the word out.
Thank you!
September 17th, 2009 at 9:07 pm Lance(Quote)
The $5mil class action against LLI is currently in the US. If you’ve paid through credit card for LLI “services”, the best way would probably be getting the credit card company to do a chargeback. Informing the credit card company of the DoFT ruling also helps.
Apart from that, find likeminded people in Australia to start a class action.
September 17th, 2009 at 9:11 pm Carla(Quote)
Thanks Lance.
Haven’t come up with enough Aussies to do a class action and am not sure how it would work cross borders. I paid for Beyond Freedom via Paypal when LLI first came to Australia so not sure how that would work.
The funds came out of a cc account which is now closed. I paid it off after leaving LLI behind and moving onto the fab life I have now. LLIers can bag us for our ‘average’ life. The pain I went through with LLI prompted massive change in my life, I have an awesome lifestyle now!
I would pay 10 times the price to see Tony Robbins than what I would for any LLI/PMG dodgy products.
Anyway, not much hope of money back hey, bugger!
September 17th, 2009 at 9:29 pm Lance(Quote)
Paypal Buyer Protection should exist for items over a certain value, if I remember correctly. Consider LLI/PMG aim at big ticket items, there should be buyer protection involved.
Paypal, in Australia, is still required to keep to Australian law, and as such should be treated no differently to say.. a Commonwealth Bank Visa card. Paypal are essentially are the credit provider in this instance, since they were the authorising party to take monies from your CC account.
Approach Paypal Australia, inform them of the DoFT ruling, and see what you can get on chargeback since I doubt Paypal Australia would like to be known as aiding and abbeting in a scam. Talk to Paypal Australia about its responsibility to keep to the standards set down by the Financial Ombudsman Service.
That’s probably where I’d start.
September 17th, 2009 at 10:21 pm Carla(Quote)
Thanks again Lance. I have just forwarded the original receipt I received through Paypal for my Beyond Freedom purchase in 2007. Seems like a long time ago is the only thing. I hope they can help me!
I am not sure how to articulate it to them and prove I was scammed. Also, I did a bank transfer to the same person for Liberty and Conference tickets. How do you think I could recoupt those funds?
I guess that’s different as it was my money. But even if I could get 1k back that would be some vindication!
Lance, I would love for Oz to pass on my email address to you. You sound really switched on and any advice you could provide me would be deeply appreciated. Oh my gosh, if I could get back even the BF money I would feel so good. But if I could get back everything, that would truly change my life.
Shall look forward to hearing from you via email if you don’t mind getting in touch with me. I’ve been too embarrassed to go see a solicitor about this as I feel like a complete fool and even though I signed up with an Aussie chick, Michael Berry was her Summit Advisor and the money went to him. He treated me like dirt and ripped me off. Anyway, shall stop crying over spilt milk now.
I hope that Paypal can help me!
September 27th, 2009 at 12:12 am Sam Down(Quote)
Thanks for clearing this up, I was approached by a Polaris distributor today, and I didn’t see any sustainability – as you wrote, “I cannot see how a company is sustainable by simply onselling a business opportunity over and over again.”. Sounds almost like a cult from some of what I’ve read here.
Here’s an idea:
We start a club. It’s called The Club. The membership fee is $5. If you convince someone else to become a member of The Club, you get income from their $5, and if they convince a new member to join you then get some residual income from that, and so on, forming a chain. If you get enough new members, and your new members continue to get new members, you will make a lot of money. The only benefit or thing you get for being a member is that you are entitled to sign up new members and therefore make money. That’s it. Sounds great, let’s all make some money for essentially nothing! The only thing is, at some point new members will run out at membership will be saturated, so the most recent members will get nothing – while the club runs off laughing all the way to the bank with the lion’s share of the membership fees.
That’s basically how Polaris works as far as I can see.
September 27th, 2009 at 1:17 am Mark(Quote)
Guys, if you want to talk pyrmid how about you start with the government or the corporate asswipes that are taking it all. You are so green. We and YOU work for organizations and coroporate companies any of them for our whole entire lives getting 2 FREAKN Weeks as holidays an entire year and it is never good enough NEVER! THEY ALWAYS WANT MORE OF OUR BLOOD. They have no profit sharing none of these companies do which is what they should have no matter how long we have worked for them. Liberty League took that out of the equation. How about you keep giving your time and your freedom to BIG IDIOTS like yourself then you all shall be happy.! Yay!
September 27th, 2009 at 9:21 am jose(Quote)
Want to see a real scam, see how the biggest scam of all is being played on us everyday. If you did not know, well now you do know. Get clarity on becoming free. The easiest way to control a population is keep them ignorant and have them focus on fighting each other all the while taking their freedom away.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2550156453790090544&hl=en
September 27th, 2009 at 9:58 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
If you strip out some of the fancy pants extras like the compensation pools and what not then yeah pretty much. This is the problem I had with Liberty League’s model and as you can see it’s still very much prevailant in Polaris Media too.
How anyone can miss this after doing some research into the company is beyond me.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:03 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
@Mark
If you’re unhappy with a conventional work contact then negotiate with your employer. If you’ve been there a while you should have stock options available to you or be able to buy into the company.
The fact that you’re unhappy with the conventional work model does in no way negate the fact that Polaris Media Group is simply unsustainable as a retail model. You need to keep on recruiting to get anywhere within Polaris and the business model itself encourages that.
Fact: You cannot get to the higher levels of Polaris without recruiting people and them in turn recruiting others.
@Jose
Same deal, the answer to changing how society works isn’t by starting up your own scam company. And again, the things that you dont’ like about society to not justify the Polaris Media business model.
September 28th, 2009 at 1:44 pm Joe(Quote)
Congrats Oz on being ranked number 1 on my google search after searching Polaris Media Group. I’ve been following this closely after a family member got horribly sucked in my this scheme, and thanks to your publications, I was able to advise them to get out before it was too late.
You are providing a great national service, and good to see google has ranked you so.
I look forward to a day that scourges like this are put to bed for good. Shame on PMG/LLI. Shame. Undeniable, irrefutable pyramid scheme.
September 28th, 2009 at 2:38 pm david(Quote)
Noticed one of the ex scammers from Now U Can 2 (Carmen) is on the Apprentice tonight.
Perhaps she is looking for a real job. I wonder if she will mention LLI/PMG in her resume.
September 28th, 2009 at 4:36 pm colin(Quote)
Its a shame how uneducated negative people can voice their strange opinions without a shred of evidence. People will always find the negative if that all they are looking for. Polaris is absolutely wonderful and I have the results to prove it
also these idiots calling Polaris a pyramid scheme should really look into the meaning of the word pyramid in legal terms again before making fools of themselves….please people do your homework
jealousy is a funny thing…the tall poppy syndrome is still alive and well…pity…thank christ for people with the entrepreneurial spirit…the worlds evolution depends on them
September 28th, 2009 at 4:46 pm colin(Quote)
wrong wrong wrong
September 28th, 2009 at 5:04 pm Vince(Quote)
Link to fair trading press release
right right right
By the way, Colin, your website, along with all the other clones looks like something I created back when I was 15 years old. Aren’t you ashamed of how dodgy it looks?
All the best with your credit card debt.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:07 pm Vince(Quote)
Also, didn’t Tony “Delete” Rush warn you (plural) not to respond to any negative activity? You don’t wanna upset the big chief now do you?
September 28th, 2009 at 5:54 pm Joe(Quote)
Oh Noes- Colin is responding with more of the same tripe you’d come to expect from Pyramid scheme victims. I wonder how long before he realizes.
And yes, I am a successful entrepreneur, who works in a field that does enrich the lives of many people, and I make a good honest dollar out of it.
Don’t fuel the fire Colin with rubbish.
September 28th, 2009 at 7:33 pm Edward(Quote)
Vince,how on earth would you know what Colin’s website even looks like,you don’t know who he is.
You say it looks like something that you created when you were 15 years old.How old are you now?… 16. You sound like an imbecile.
September 28th, 2009 at 7:42 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
When you leave a comment you have the option of leaving your website details which then makes your username clickable.
Colin chose to leave a website when he left a comment.
…
…well this is kind of awkward.
September 28th, 2009 at 8:17 pm Edward(Quote)
Thank you OZ,I stand corrected and apologise. I guess I’m just over the way some people make very personal attacks on people without justification. Sorry Vince, my mistake.
September 28th, 2009 at 8:20 pm Rod(Quote)
Show us the money Colin.
Being a Liberty League/Polaris Media Group associate does not classify you as an entrepreneur, just a follower.
What a scary place the world would be if we all evolved into LLI/Polaris associates!
September 29th, 2009 at 12:59 pm Carla(Quote)
Wow, if Colin’s 50 thousand posts didn’t constitute spamming your wall Oz then I’m not sure what would! I know I’ve been guilty of making multiple posts, but not generally one liners.
At the end of the day, some people who join the cult believe they are ‘being of service’ they are ‘leaders’ etc. etc. and if they can scam people and sleep at night, well cheers to them.
When I first joined LLI I thought they were genuinely nice people, until I started to see through the facade and the attempted brainwashing which has been discussed a lot here. I don’t really care if those people attack me now because I am not an uneducated failure and it’s not my fault I didn’t make a ‘ton of money’ as they all claim to be.
Once I woke up to how horrible the whole thing really is I couldn’t live with myself being in such a ‘cult’ like company and knew I had to get out. I’m glad I didn’t make any money because my conscience wouldn’t have been able to hack it knowing I’d ripped someone off.
I’ve been to see Tony Robbins live as I’ve talked about before here and man, Beyond Freedom isn’t even worth 1/1000, no, not even worth 1/1000000000 of what going to Tony Robbins is worth. Rachel Oliver used to say she would have paid 20,000 for her BF because of what it’s done for her. I bet she would pay that much, only if she could sell it to others for that much.
LLIers/PMGers don’t rebut by saying ‘Oh I bet you never did your BF, bet you didn’t do the program, that’s BS’. I’ve done lots of programs plus more and have actually got something out of them and gotten my money’s worth.
The people here talking about LLI/PMG aren’t whingers, failures, uneducated blah blah blah, they are real people who are talking about their experience and the facts so stop trying to discredit them in order to justify why you’re in the cult and taking people for all they’ve got.
Ok, enough said. Oz, it’s great to see the people stopping by here who are saying thank you for alerting them to PMG and it’s awesome it’s ranked so well on Google. I only wished I found you before I got sucked in.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:09 pm Rod(Quote)
Looks like another associate of Polaris Media Group is not a happy camper over at Polaris Media Group Network (was Liberty League Life).
This associate is claiming that the new compensation plan video is different to what they have been told at the Super Saturday Event and EMC training event. Here is a snippet:
A reply posted (typical response):
**** replys with:
The problem is that this associate has no one to turn to for factual information. Tony Rush will either delete, close the discussion or reprimand the associate for being negative.
Seems like the activity on PMGN/LLL has dropped, some groups haven’t had activity for weeks…..I wonder why????
September 30th, 2009 at 10:32 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Seriously have you seen that compensation site they knocked up with all those WTF slideshows?! After sitting there clicking around for half an hour I reached for my phone and went to call my advisor to advise them I was quitting.
…then I remembered I’m not even a Polaris associate. That’s how bad it was and that’s the best they’ve been given to try and get their heads around how they get paid.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:06 pm Vince(Quote)
Hey Oz, maybe it’s time for another blog update on this before Chief Tony “Delete” Rush deletes it. Maybe we can pull out a few more people who have been….mislead….?
October 1st, 2009 at 12:03 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
Deletes the forum post or the compensation site? I didn’t bother with access to Polaris life after he whacked on the authentication for it. Seems enough people have access and repost anything of note that’s posted there.
As for another article I’m (like the rest of you) kind of waiting to see what happens.
Traffic is still flowing to the articles on LLI/Polaris on OSB (don’t take a lack of new comments as a sign of declining traffic) so people are finding the information.
October 1st, 2009 at 7:23 pm stuart(Quote)
OK STOP, what are polaris selling? I was curious last night and sent in an email enquiring as to what is it all about, i get a phone call from them giving me all the crap lines etc… i asked outright if this is some sort of pyramid scheme and was told “NO” and that it sounded as though I had read on ozsoapbox negative things and that they are in the process of taking legal action for slander! So whats the go lads?
October 1st, 2009 at 8:04 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Hey Stuart, if you’re after more information on what it is Polaris sell have a look at Polaris Media Group: Analysing the new product line.
After that if you’re curious as to how you’ll get paid and what you’ll have to do, check out Figuring out the Polaris Media Group compensation plan.
October 2nd, 2009 at 9:08 am Stratos(Quote)
Another advertising avenue gone !!. It seems increasingly harder to advertise your “Business” now days. Use your talents for something else rather than leading other hopeful people down the same path.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sunday-telegraph/works-home-for-new-mums/story-fn324b09-1225772257740
October 2nd, 2009 at 9:19 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
Wow how did that one get past our radars? I note it’s got a date of September 13th on it but it says last updated 02 October?
I had a conversation about Polaris/LLI while she was contemplating pulling the plug on their ads a month or so back now. Good to see her decision got some media coverage.
Lol I love this line and the subtle reference that the company is running away from something.
Thanks for sharing that Stratos.
October 2nd, 2009 at 9:47 am colin(Quote)
well done…at last someone with commonsense
October 2nd, 2009 at 10:00 am colin(Quote)
i can and will show you the money and my fabulous lifestyle mr skeptic…. this is absolutely the best business move we have ever made to get away from negative mediocre minds where the tall poppy syndrome runs rampid….what the hell is wrong with you morons…the world needs more positivity…more wealth and more people who aren’t scared of getting out of their comfort zone. yay entrepreneurs…if not for us 90% of poverty would be 99%…I’m guessing rod you work in an office and hate it but are too scared to do anything about it….been there and done that…I’m so glad I made the move toward freedom of choice.
October 2nd, 2009 at 10:23 am colin(Quote)
jealousy brings out the worst in people… i now regret clicking on this site and voicing my opinion…i have now realised how negative most people are…sad really….integrity + honesty = results….i sleep very well in my mansion on the water and even better tonight as tomorrow i’m taking the lambo out for a spin 8-)…good luck all you negative people…you’ll need it.
October 2nd, 2009 at 11:03 am Darn LLI!(Quote)
Ha Melinda, before I slag anyone off I’d definitely brush up on my spelling first.
Note the word “definite” is spelt d.e.f.i.n.i.t.e not “definately”.
And jeepers, Colin, you mean driving in your dirty Lambo? The one earned from ripping other people off? Mansion on the water? Make sure the tsunami doesn’t hit.
October 2nd, 2009 at 11:32 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
Right Colin, time to come clean.
The publicly available whois information for your website changeitallnow.com is listed as:
755 Knapp Creek Road
Beaudesert QLD 4285.
Google maps shows this to be:
View Larger Map
(The map says it’s showing 754 Knapp Creek Road but you mentioned a river so I assume the above is 755 as there’s no river on the other side of the road).
So how does the Lamborghini handle those dirt roads Colin?
In addition to this the median price of housing in Knapps creek is listed as $400,000.
The cheapest new lamborghini is “around” $475,500 as of February 2009.
…I’m not a mathematician but something doesn’t add up here.
October 2nd, 2009 at 11:37 am Stratos(Quote)
Good to see you are supporting the Be, Do, Have principle Col. Either that or you were very financial when you became an Associate.
Hey Col, I’m all for positivity and I agree with you that there is far too many negatives in this world. The fact is that PMG is one of those companies that is harvesting the good, honest, positive people with dreams and more than likely spitting them out the other end feeling negative about themselves because they couldn’t follow the “system to success”. They thought they were nailing the system, but, the universe wasn’t repaying their efforts. Lets face it…if you can follow the very easy “system” to a tee, you too can make a six figure income too !! Right Col ?? Sadly, a lot of great people (not to mention their families) find that an unrealistic target through no fault of their own…..Why not tell people up front that if you have any chance with this that the prospect needs to invest at least 30K plus…and hope others do the same.
Think about this when you’re taking the (Be do Have) lambo out for a spin 8-).
All the best to you Col. Make it a Great day !
October 2nd, 2009 at 11:45 am Darn LLI!(Quote)
Susan Shaw:What is all this talk about ‘victims’? how dare that woman in New Zealand suggest that I am a victim because I joined Liberty league. i dont need looking after. i am over 18 and make my own decisions; just all business owners do. So what is your problem.? by the way Lifepath, 21st Century Academy in Port melbourne and a a couple of other organizations all use the same 2 up compensation plan. and guess what I dont see you after them. no just liberty league becaeu it works!! People make afirtune!. you cna’t stand the fact that it works. It doesnt go ot he people at the top: that shows how litte youunderstna about this business and the comp plan. i ahve asoicates who joined after me and have earned heaps more than me ( and I have earned about $200k US in a year). so stop defaming us on this site;you are giving me the total creeps ; I am not a victim; unlike you I have integrity; I am not a naysayer or jealous because others do well; I rejoice for them; I assume that Rod is unemployed so get a life rod
Dear Susan Shaw,
To defame a business would mean I brought ill-repute to you and your organisation, and you’re later looked down upon or shunned in society, based on unfounded truths.
But your company’s already been classified as a pyramid-selling scheme. Are you saying the Australian authorities have defamed you? And if so, what are you going to do about it? Take the Fair Trading Office to court?
And if I were you, I’d polish up my spelling. I personally wouldn’t want to do business with someone who spells “fortune” as “firtune”….
October 2nd, 2009 at 1:18 pm Carla(Quote)
LLI/PMG – seems people either love or hate the cult. Oz, gotta laugh how they keep coming on here saying ‘Don’t diss us without evidence’ when Fair Trading have declared them a pyramid.
The experience of the people who have been ripped off is enough evidence in my eyes. Bring on A Current Affair and see how many people come out of the wood work to tell their story of losing thousands to this snake pit.
October 2nd, 2009 at 1:19 pm douglas(Quote)
Sure you can make money from Polaris , but is it ethical ??, how is trying to get people to fork out $8-12,000 on seminars , so you can get your cut baffles me , why do you need to keep going to expensive seminars , you already have the tools to be motivated , the reason they have these seminars is so they can get people to join , pay for the seminar , then the sponsor gets their cut , its just sounds all wrong to me ….i tried to post a comment of a few face book sites , but they are obviously screening them , they don’t want any critiscm, or hard questions at all popping up , would love to see how some of these members would handle being interviewed by a switched on reporter , would make great viewing
October 2nd, 2009 at 1:57 pm Vince(Quote)
Jealous of what? Being strong-minded and unable to be brainwashed? Yeah…that’s really something to be jealous of.
Give it up Colin, we’ve read all the scripts on the Polaris site and know your responses before you even say them.
But if I really were jealous, don’t you think I’d join Polaris? After all, anyone can do it…no experience required!
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:38 pm Edward(Quote)
Why all the attacks on people’s spelling here. Some of the greatest acheivers in history have had spelling difficulties. Google it…Albert Einstein, Alexander Graham Bell, Agatha Christie, Leonardo Di Vinci,Thomas Edison…the list goes on and on but I’m sure Darn LLI that you’ve acheived so much more than these individuals because of your good spelling.
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:02 pm Darn LLI(Quote)
Hi Edward,
“All the greatest achievers in history have had spelling difficulties”. Note you said “greatest achievers”. And I’ve nothing against great respected people if they can’t spell. But you said great, and I am not very sure if ripping people off thousands of dough is “great”. And I’m not sure if LLI associates are “achievers”. Oh wait, they achieve their goals by ripping people off…but really? is it that great?Is that greatness to you?
And as for my “great spelling” and “achievements”, at least I don’t look like a laughingstock on the Internet.
Note: It’s spelt A C H I E V E R.
My case in point is, if you want to be taken seriously, especially when your company’s just been labelled a “hoax”, you might want to present yourself a little more professionally, and spellos does your image no credit.
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:31 pm Edward(Quote)
Thanks for your feedback and kind words of understanding, However my argument wasn’t for either side. I myself suffer from mild dyslexia and found it quite offensive that somebody could be labelled as stupid for the sake of how they spell. Shouldn’t people with a disability be taken seriously. And by the way,you misquoted me…not really very professional of you.
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:38 pm DARN LLI(Quote)
Hi Edward,
It’s never my intention to laugh at people with dyslexia because I’ve friends who are, and I understand the effect this has on their personal lives. I’ve also friends who are stutterers. And if it has hurt your feelings, I’m sorry.
And sorry if I’ve misquoted you.
I worked off the assumption you were one for the many LLI associates on this page, and that was probably why I ended up misquoting you.
But seriously, as I’ve mentioned, my case in point for those people are this: If you’re going to defend your company, don’t you think you should at least try spelling your words correctly.
It wasn’t like “OMG, what a loser you can’t spell!” then it’s hard to tell what the tone’s like when it’s on text.
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:51 pm Edward(Quote)
I understand ,peace
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:56 pm Darn LLI(Quote)
Sweet as.
October 7th, 2009 at 8:27 am iwonder(Quote)
Hey all…..
Couple of things:
1. I have left Polaris
2. It is a scam
3. The advisors in the company seem to be running scared a bit at the moment…mine has never been so quiet…
4. (most important one here) BE NICE TO THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN SUCKED IN!!! I WAS UNFORTUNATELY, AND PEOPLE HERE WERE NOTHING BUT RUDE AND CONDESCENDING…. luckily I did not spend too much with this company, but others have, and rightly so are scared that they have wasted their money. Which they have. So please just try and be nice.
5. Sorry for being a beaatch.
x
October 7th, 2009 at 8:31 am iwonder(Quote)
ps: Roly, I still think you are obnoxious. Rich or poor. lol
October 7th, 2009 at 8:57 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
Wow that is quite the backflip there.
Hopefully now you have a better understanding about why I wrote about LLI/Polaris in the first place. Sorry you had to learn the hard way.
October 7th, 2009 at 9:12 am iwonder