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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-15741&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-15741&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Luke&#032;Haralampou&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: 
ummm… are you guys serious.


indigenous people lived sustainably on this land for longer than you can fathom. don’t you think climate change and ‘green’ politics override the fact that we have experts on the topic being ignored in the galleys. 


and um… excuse me for being more than half alive but thinking that having the flag on a site like google would be a good thing for Aboriginal people is a little ‘western’ in its arguement..ie. any exposure is good exposure is not the case for people from the community you are talking. 


Google does not have the right to think they can promote an idea of what being Indigenous is especially when it is so far from being understood by australian and international society.


and further more, no matter if people with aboriginal descent are ‘whiter skinned’ then yourself and others… they’ll always have a stronger claim for land. the colour of thier skin IS a result of thier ancestors being stolen, raped, institutionalised and denigrated for 220 years…and you are shocked at why they might not want to call themselves ‘white’. 


This whole country is founded on stolen resources, and your upset at some scrappy compensationary handouts.
next time..


google that shit. or even better, get your ass to a university.


&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They didn&#039;t live sutainably, contrary to popular belief,they wiped out hundreds of species, including the megafauna, and devastated what rainforests were left, and for what? To burn them down and catch 2 kangeroos for dinner. Destruction on that scale is not sustainable. Not experts, not doing anything and not impacting is different to doing something and not impacting. The latter is harder.

What did the aborigines have anyway? How did they contribute to the human race? They didn&#039;t. They always go on about belonging to the land, and not owning it. But when we come along and claim it, they say it is theirs. If they belong to the land, then we own them. We waste over 3 million dollars in handouts. That is not scrappy little handouts.

When the Jews took the land from the Palestinians, they had a stronger claim, but the jews still somehow won. The aborignes raped early settlers, they did barbaric things over a pebble sized bit of ochre. No wonder the Settlers tried to civilize them. Look at what the conquistadores did, would you rather have that?</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-15741" rel="nofollow">Luke&#032;Haralampou</a></strong>:<br />
ummm… are you guys serious.</p>
<p>indigenous people lived sustainably on this land for longer than you can fathom. don’t you think climate change and ‘green’ politics override the fact that we have experts on the topic being ignored in the galleys. </p>
<p>and um… excuse me for being more than half alive but thinking that having the flag on a site like google would be a good thing for Aboriginal people is a little ‘western’ in its arguement..ie. any exposure is good exposure is not the case for people from the community you are talking. </p>
<p>Google does not have the right to think they can promote an idea of what being Indigenous is especially when it is so far from being understood by australian and international society.</p>
<p>and further more, no matter if people with aboriginal descent are ‘whiter skinned’ then yourself and others… they’ll always have a stronger claim for land. the colour of thier skin IS a result of thier ancestors being stolen, raped, institutionalised and denigrated for 220 years…and you are shocked at why they might not want to call themselves ‘white’. </p>
<p>This whole country is founded on stolen resources, and your upset at some scrappy compensationary handouts.<br />
next time..</p>
<p>google that shit. or even better, get your ass to a university.</p>
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<p>They didn&#8217;t live sutainably, contrary to popular belief,they wiped out hundreds of species, including the megafauna, and devastated what rainforests were left, and for what? To burn them down and catch 2 kangeroos for dinner. Destruction on that scale is not sustainable. Not experts, not doing anything and not impacting is different to doing something and not impacting. The latter is harder.</p>
<p>What did the aborigines have anyway? How did they contribute to the human race? They didn&#8217;t. They always go on about belonging to the land, and not owning it. But when we come along and claim it, they say it is theirs. If they belong to the land, then we own them. We waste over 3 million dollars in handouts. That is not scrappy little handouts.</p>
<p>When the Jews took the land from the Palestinians, they had a stronger claim, but the jews still somehow won. The aborignes raped early settlers, they did barbaric things over a pebble sized bit of ochre. No wonder the Settlers tried to civilize them. Look at what the conquistadores did, would you rather have that?</p>
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		<title>By: scott.wells</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott.wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 04:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like how this has degeneetaed into typical aussie pub talk...&quot;those #$@^% aboriginals..usually..pronunced in drunken aussie as &quot;abo&quot;..they find it hard to pronunce thier words after a few sherbies..the drunken louts, this is all before they go home and beat thier wife..or throw a kid off a bridge..

(looks pathetic doesn&#039;t it)...to stereotype and throw ethnocentristic banter around like that..yes it does...and just goes to show the lack of understanding that I have..the lack of human compassion that i have..and what a drama queen I am...I should have stayed in school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like how this has degeneetaed into typical aussie pub talk&#8230;&#8221;those #$@^% aboriginals..usually..pronunced in drunken aussie as &#8220;abo&#8221;..they find it hard to pronunce thier words after a few sherbies..the drunken louts, this is all before they go home and beat thier wife..or throw a kid off a bridge..</p>
<p>(looks pathetic doesn&#8217;t it)&#8230;to stereotype and throw ethnocentristic banter around like that..yes it does&#8230;and just goes to show the lack of understanding that I have..the lack of human compassion that i have..and what a drama queen I am&#8230;I should have stayed in school.</p>
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		<title>By: ozsoapbox</title>
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		<dc:creator>ozsoapbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 08:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;and um… excuse me for being more than half alive but thinking that having the flag on a site like google would be a good thing for Aboriginal people is a little ‘western’ in its arguement..ie. any exposure is good exposure is not the case for people from the community you are talking. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

You&#039;re right. When your abusing children and drugs and drinking yourself silly 24/7 the last thing you want is exposure. Shame on Google.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Google does not have the right to think they can promote an idea of what being Indigenous is especially when it is so far from being understood by australian and international society.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Google weren&#039;t promoting being indigenous, they ran a competition for Australia Day and a design with the Aboriginal flag won. Since when was Australia Day about being indigenous?

&lt;blockquote&gt;and further more, no matter if people with aboriginal descent are ‘whiter skinned’ then yourself and others… they’ll always have a stronger claim for land. the colour of thier skin IS a result of thier ancestors being stolen, raped, institutionalised and denigrated for 220 years…and you are shocked at why they might not want to call themselves ‘white’. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sounds like Aryan talk to me. If the rest of the world can deal with outsiders &#039;polluting&#039; their superior racial genepool then the Aborigines can get over it too.

I don&#039;t particularly care what they call themselves. As long as they live in Australia they&#039;re Australians and should be treated like the rest of us. This means being privvy to ridicule when trying to exploit any cultural opportunity to make a quick buck, the same as any other Australian would.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>and um… excuse me for being more than half alive but thinking that having the flag on a site like google would be a good thing for Aboriginal people is a little ‘western’ in its arguement..ie. any exposure is good exposure is not the case for people from the community you are talking. </p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;re right. When your abusing children and drugs and drinking yourself silly 24/7 the last thing you want is exposure. Shame on Google.</p>
<blockquote><p>Google does not have the right to think they can promote an idea of what being Indigenous is especially when it is so far from being understood by australian and international society.</p></blockquote>
<p>Google weren&#8217;t promoting being indigenous, they ran a competition for Australia Day and a design with the Aboriginal flag won. Since when was Australia Day about being indigenous?</p>
<blockquote><p>and further more, no matter if people with aboriginal descent are ‘whiter skinned’ then yourself and others… they’ll always have a stronger claim for land. the colour of thier skin IS a result of thier ancestors being stolen, raped, institutionalised and denigrated for 220 years…and you are shocked at why they might not want to call themselves ‘white’. </p></blockquote>
<p>Sounds like Aryan talk to me. If the rest of the world can deal with outsiders &#8216;polluting&#8217; their superior racial genepool then the Aborigines can get over it too.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t particularly care what they call themselves. As long as they live in Australia they&#8217;re Australians and should be treated like the rest of us. This means being privvy to ridicule when trying to exploit any cultural opportunity to make a quick buck, the same as any other Australian would.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Haralampou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke Haralampou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 05:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ummm... are you guys serious.

indigenous people lived sustainably on this land for longer than you can fathom. don&#039;t you think climate change and &#039;green&#039; politics override the fact that we have experts on the topic being ignored in the galleys. 

and um... excuse me for being more than half alive but thinking that having the flag on a site like google would be a good thing for Aboriginal people is a little &#039;western&#039; in its arguement..ie. any exposure is good exposure is not the case for people from the community you are talking. 

Google does not have the right to think they can promote an idea of what being Indigenous is especially when it is so far from being understood by australian and international society.

and further more, no matter if people with aboriginal descent are &#039;whiter skinned&#039; then yourself and others... they&#039;ll always have a stronger claim for land. the colour of thier skin IS a result of thier ancestors being stolen, raped, institutionalised and denigrated for 220 years...and you are shocked at why they might not want to call themselves &#039;white&#039;. 

This whole country is founded on stolen resources, and your upset at some scrappy compensationary handouts.
next time..

google that shit. or even better, get your ass to a university.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ummm&#8230; are you guys serious.</p>
<p>indigenous people lived sustainably on this land for longer than you can fathom. don&#8217;t you think climate change and &#8216;green&#8217; politics override the fact that we have experts on the topic being ignored in the galleys. </p>
<p>and um&#8230; excuse me for being more than half alive but thinking that having the flag on a site like google would be a good thing for Aboriginal people is a little &#8216;western&#8217; in its arguement..ie. any exposure is good exposure is not the case for people from the community you are talking. </p>
<p>Google does not have the right to think they can promote an idea of what being Indigenous is especially when it is so far from being understood by australian and international society.</p>
<p>and further more, no matter if people with aboriginal descent are &#8216;whiter skinned&#8217; then yourself and others&#8230; they&#8217;ll always have a stronger claim for land. the colour of thier skin IS a result of thier ancestors being stolen, raped, institutionalised and denigrated for 220 years&#8230;and you are shocked at why they might not want to call themselves &#8216;white&#8217;. </p>
<p>This whole country is founded on stolen resources, and your upset at some scrappy compensationary handouts.<br />
next time..</p>
<p>google that shit. or even better, get your ass to a university.</p>
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		<title>By: Cam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 05:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The so-called Tasmanian aboriginies are the worst of all: they’re so white-skinned that not a single one would pass as an Aboriginal in the Northern Territory, yet they try to squeeze dollars and influence out of every project in the state.

I didnt even know there were still aboriginals in Tassie!! i just thought because the last true blood died about 100 years ago, there would be no traditional owners. What Scum!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The so-called Tasmanian aboriginies are the worst of all: they’re so white-skinned that not a single one would pass as an Aboriginal in the Northern Territory, yet they try to squeeze dollars and influence out of every project in the state.</p>
<p>I didnt even know there were still aboriginals in Tassie!! i just thought because the last true blood died about 100 years ago, there would be no traditional owners. What Scum!!</p>
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		<title>By: ozsoapbox</title>
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		<dc:creator>ozsoapbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 04:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The whole incident speaks very loudly about what many Aboriginal campaigners have degenerated to: scumbags looking for an easy dollar.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t know about scumbags, I&#039;d like to think that Thomas has achieved some positive recognition as an artist.

I do agree though that elements of the welfare entitlement do shine through clearly when incidents like this occur. 

When the Australian goernment offers you money you just complain and get more. When an overseas company offers you money and you demand more they just walk away. 

Apparently this leaves you hard done by, the company in question racist and then the headlines roll out.

Edit: Stupid shit &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/indigenous-protesters-disrupt-climate-debate/story-e6frfku0-1225825997448&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;like this&lt;/a&gt; makes me think twice though;

&lt;blockquote&gt;WO Aboriginal women have disrupted federal parliament an hour into a heated debate on climate change, shouting from the public gallery.

The two women shouted that MPs should be discussing indigenous rights 
rather than &quot;stupid s..t&quot;.

The women shouted they wanted their own parliament, before being removed from the public gallery by security staff.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I assume that instead of stupid shit like climate change they were upset that nobody was discussing increasinging Aboriginal welfare.

I&#039;d love to see an Aboriginal parliament too. Hello massive inflation to cope with the printing of money to buy &#039;stupid shit&#039; with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The whole incident speaks very loudly about what many Aboriginal campaigners have degenerated to: scumbags looking for an easy dollar.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about scumbags, I&#8217;d like to think that Thomas has achieved some positive recognition as an artist.</p>
<p>I do agree though that elements of the welfare entitlement do shine through clearly when incidents like this occur. </p>
<p>When the Australian goernment offers you money you just complain and get more. When an overseas company offers you money and you demand more they just walk away. </p>
<p>Apparently this leaves you hard done by, the company in question racist and then the headlines roll out.</p>
<p>Edit: Stupid shit <a target="_blank" href="http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/indigenous-protesters-disrupt-climate-debate/story-e6frfku0-1225825997448" rel="nofollow">like this</a> makes me think twice though;</p>
<blockquote><p>WO Aboriginal women have disrupted federal parliament an hour into a heated debate on climate change, shouting from the public gallery.</p>
<p>The two women shouted that MPs should be discussing indigenous rights<br />
rather than &#8220;stupid s..t&#8221;.</p>
<p>The women shouted they wanted their own parliament, before being removed from the public gallery by security staff.</p></blockquote>
<p>I assume that instead of stupid shit like climate change they were upset that nobody was discussing increasinging Aboriginal welfare.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see an Aboriginal parliament too. Hello massive inflation to cope with the printing of money to buy &#8216;stupid shit&#8217; with.</p>
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		<title>By: Smithee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smithee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 16:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it should be called the &quot;Aboriginal Flag&quot; anymore. I&#039;m now always going to call it the &quot;Aboriginal logo&quot;.

The whole incident speaks very loudly about what many Aboriginal campaigners have degenerated to: scumbags looking for an easy dollar.

The so-called Tasmanian aboriginies are the worst of all: they&#039;re so white-skinned that not a single one would pass as an Aboriginal in the Northern Territory, yet they try to squeeze dollars and influence out of every project in the state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it should be called the &#8220;Aboriginal Flag&#8221; anymore. I&#8217;m now always going to call it the &#8220;Aboriginal logo&#8221;.</p>
<p>The whole incident speaks very loudly about what many Aboriginal campaigners have degenerated to: scumbags looking for an easy dollar.</p>
<p>The so-called Tasmanian aboriginies are the worst of all: they&#8217;re so white-skinned that not a single one would pass as an Aboriginal in the Northern Territory, yet they try to squeeze dollars and influence out of every project in the state.</p>
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		<title>By: ozsoapbox</title>
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		<dc:creator>ozsoapbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 06:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My completely gut feeling of a guess puts Google&#039;s offer in the low five figures with Harold asking for the upper range five figures.

Of course I&#039;ve got no idea how much flag licensing costs but I reckon that&#039;d be about right. The fact that neither party will reveal what was asked for and what was offered kinda makes me think shenadigans was happening on one or both sides of the table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My completely gut feeling of a guess puts Google&#8217;s offer in the low five figures with Harold asking for the upper range five figures.</p>
<p>Of course I&#8217;ve got no idea how much flag licensing costs but I reckon that&#8217;d be about right. The fact that neither party will reveal what was asked for and what was offered kinda makes me think shenadigans was happening on one or both sides of the table.</p>
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		<title>By: Yi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i wonder how much harold wanted from google.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i wonder how much harold wanted from google.</p>
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