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	<title>Comments on: Culling camels makes Australia a third world country?</title>
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		<title>By: ozsoapbox</title>
		<link>http://ozsoapbox.com/rest-of-australia/culling-camels-makes-australia-a-third-world-country/#comment-13298</link>
		<dc:creator>ozsoapbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 14:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Aside from the humor and the camel issue, Australia should begin to recognize that it is a 3rd tier country; maybe 2nd tier if lucky.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This kind of worries me a bit as you&#039;re right. I mean we&#039;re not really that relevant as a satellite spy station over China anymore so world politics wise we just sort of drift along with no purpose. Imagine the fallout if Obama cancelled a trip to China over Twitter!

As for industry and what to do after our natural resources run out... well I guess we could always try and make a Dubai 2.0 in the middle of Alice Springs. Although Dubai doesn&#039;t seem to be working all to well for the middle east.

Personally I&#039;m kind of wondering if the west is going to reinvest back into manufacturing. If quality of life takes a hit and we just accept China as our new economic overlords the balance of power could become very real. 

Living in Taiwan I can honestly say that consumerism here is huge. If China&#039;s citizens eventually decide to stop working for peanuts and we as the west pick up the slack there&#039;s plenty of market share here in Asia to go around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Aside from the humor and the camel issue, Australia should begin to recognize that it is a 3rd tier country; maybe 2nd tier if lucky.</p></blockquote>
<p>This kind of worries me a bit as you&#8217;re right. I mean we&#8217;re not really that relevant as a satellite spy station over China anymore so world politics wise we just sort of drift along with no purpose. Imagine the fallout if Obama cancelled a trip to China over Twitter!</p>
<p>As for industry and what to do after our natural resources run out&#8230; well I guess we could always try and make a Dubai 2.0 in the middle of Alice Springs. Although Dubai doesn&#8217;t seem to be working all to well for the middle east.</p>
<p>Personally I&#8217;m kind of wondering if the west is going to reinvest back into manufacturing. If quality of life takes a hit and we just accept China as our new economic overlords the balance of power could become very real. </p>
<p>Living in Taiwan I can honestly say that consumerism here is huge. If China&#8217;s citizens eventually decide to stop working for peanuts and we as the west pick up the slack there&#8217;s plenty of market share here in Asia to go around.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://ozsoapbox.com/rest-of-australia/culling-camels-makes-australia-a-third-world-country/#comment-13280</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 19:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aside from the humor and the camel issue, Australia should begin to recognize that it is a 3rd tier country; maybe 2nd tier if lucky. This is not all bad and has helped save the environment from the terrible effects felt by parts of England, most all of India and half of Asia. 

However, we have to face it - we are a backwater, will never be more than 2nd tier. Just look at our primary industry - shipping rocks to other countries. Ultimately we will face the collapse of our commodity industry, as happens everywhere else in the world where economies are based solely on commodities. Then what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aside from the humor and the camel issue, Australia should begin to recognize that it is a 3rd tier country; maybe 2nd tier if lucky. This is not all bad and has helped save the environment from the terrible effects felt by parts of England, most all of India and half of Asia. </p>
<p>However, we have to face it &#8211; we are a backwater, will never be more than 2nd tier. Just look at our primary industry &#8211; shipping rocks to other countries. Ultimately we will face the collapse of our commodity industry, as happens everywhere else in the world where economies are based solely on commodities. Then what?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Moore</title>
		<link>http://ozsoapbox.com/rest-of-australia/culling-camels-makes-australia-a-third-world-country/#comment-11709</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Farm them then eat them don&#039;t waste a good meat it&#039;s as good as Kangaroo/Venison/Rabbit it&#039;s also healthy and low in fat.

Don&#039;t take any notice of the English the are envious of Australia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Farm them then eat them don&#8217;t waste a good meat it&#8217;s as good as Kangaroo/Venison/Rabbit it&#8217;s also healthy and low in fat.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t take any notice of the English the are envious of Australia</p>
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		<title>By: ozsoapbox</title>
		<link>http://ozsoapbox.com/rest-of-australia/culling-camels-makes-australia-a-third-world-country/#comment-11598</link>
		<dc:creator>ozsoapbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 12:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Hang on, with all these refugees coming out here, cant we kinda, well, hook each of them up with a pet camel?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well we could but then they&#039;d probably hold it hostage and demand we give them a camel allowance or something.

I mean what are the RSPCA going to do, fine them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hang on, with all these refugees coming out here, cant we kinda, well, hook each of them up with a pet camel?</p></blockquote>
<p>Well we could but then they&#8217;d probably hold it hostage and demand we give them a camel allowance or something.</p>
<p>I mean what are the RSPCA going to do, fine them?</p>
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		<title>By: Bushrat</title>
		<link>http://ozsoapbox.com/rest-of-australia/culling-camels-makes-australia-a-third-world-country/#comment-11595</link>
		<dc:creator>Bushrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 12:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hang on, with all these refugees coming out here, cant we kinda, well, hook each of them up with a pet camel?

Sort of like a welcome to Oz type of thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hang on, with all these refugees coming out here, cant we kinda, well, hook each of them up with a pet camel?</p>
<p>Sort of like a welcome to Oz type of thing?</p>
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		<title>By: ozsoapbox</title>
		<link>http://ozsoapbox.com/rest-of-australia/culling-camels-makes-australia-a-third-world-country/#comment-11444</link>
		<dc:creator>ozsoapbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they go ahead with the cull it&#039;s only a few thousand though. I imagine the ones they do take will be from around the town. 

It&#039;s not like they&#039;re going into the desert to exterminate them all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they go ahead with the cull it&#8217;s only a few thousand though. I imagine the ones they do take will be from around the town. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not like they&#8217;re going into the desert to exterminate them all.</p>
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		<title>By: Roly</title>
		<link>http://ozsoapbox.com/rest-of-australia/culling-camels-makes-australia-a-third-world-country/#comment-11438</link>
		<dc:creator>Roly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Camels are emphatically NOT &quot;local wildlife&quot; Oz.  They are an *introduced*, *feral*, PEST, no better than the rabbit or cane toad.  Add pigs, goats, deer, cats, dogs, sundry bovines, wasps...

Culling?  EXTERMINATION should be the object.

I&#039;m not inhumane, I don&#039;t want to see them *suffer*, and if the Brits start up an Adopt A Camel project and we can ship them all over there then that&#039;s fine by me (as long as the live transports are up to scratch of course, don&#039;t want any to die on the way).

Yep, camel is good tucker if you take the normal care with bush meat.  The catch with turning a pest into an industry is that you then don&#039;t want to exterminate yourself out of business (despite the fact that several fisheries have managed to do that accidentally).


@Totally Discusted
The experience of being the person who is *there* and has to actually deal with the daily reality of FERAL pigs, deer, cats, dogs (not Dingo&#039;s) horses, camels, toads, and rabbits is very centering.  Out for a bushwalk you encounter a badly myxotosed rabbit.

Seriously, what do you do?  Walk away and leave it suffering?  Whack it over the head with a handy rock?  Take it home and nurse it until it dies?  What DO you do?

Being a vegan, or an appeal to an overall better way (don&#039;t spread Myxo), does not solve your immediate moral dilemma.

I didn&#039;t create this feral mess, but somebody has to do something about various ferals, at least when they get out of hand.

Which is more important to you, a healthy phascogale, or a savage flea and tick ridden cat?  Most people don&#039;t see it, but one dumped domestic pussy has about the same impact on a patch of native forest as a small atomic bomb.

Go on, admit it; you hadn&#039;t even *heard* of a phascogale until you just Googled it.  Well I&#039;ve seen one in the wild.  ONE!  As in by himself all on his own singular one.

http://www.kidcyber.com.au/IMAGES/phascogalebrushtailed.jpg

It&#039;s cute and eats stuff we don&#039;t like such as spiders and insects.  A little guy who looks at a funnelweb and thinks &quot;mmmm lunch!&quot; has to have some value to us.

It&#039;s utterly situational.  Camels belong in Arabia, not Australia (the rich Ghan traditions notwithstanding, my grandma will still have bought linen from travelling &quot;Ghans&quot; up the Mitta valley even if their camel trains are gone); just as possums are rightly protected in Australia and very valid feral meat and fur in New Zealand (and possom makes a really great doona).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Camels are emphatically NOT &#8220;local wildlife&#8221; Oz.  They are an *introduced*, *feral*, PEST, no better than the rabbit or cane toad.  Add pigs, goats, deer, cats, dogs, sundry bovines, wasps&#8230;</p>
<p>Culling?  EXTERMINATION should be the object.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not inhumane, I don&#8217;t want to see them *suffer*, and if the Brits start up an Adopt A Camel project and we can ship them all over there then that&#8217;s fine by me (as long as the live transports are up to scratch of course, don&#8217;t want any to die on the way).</p>
<p>Yep, camel is good tucker if you take the normal care with bush meat.  The catch with turning a pest into an industry is that you then don&#8217;t want to exterminate yourself out of business (despite the fact that several fisheries have managed to do that accidentally).</p>
<p>@Totally Discusted<br />
The experience of being the person who is *there* and has to actually deal with the daily reality of FERAL pigs, deer, cats, dogs (not Dingo&#8217;s) horses, camels, toads, and rabbits is very centering.  Out for a bushwalk you encounter a badly myxotosed rabbit.</p>
<p>Seriously, what do you do?  Walk away and leave it suffering?  Whack it over the head with a handy rock?  Take it home and nurse it until it dies?  What DO you do?</p>
<p>Being a vegan, or an appeal to an overall better way (don&#8217;t spread Myxo), does not solve your immediate moral dilemma.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t create this feral mess, but somebody has to do something about various ferals, at least when they get out of hand.</p>
<p>Which is more important to you, a healthy phascogale, or a savage flea and tick ridden cat?  Most people don&#8217;t see it, but one dumped domestic pussy has about the same impact on a patch of native forest as a small atomic bomb.</p>
<p>Go on, admit it; you hadn&#8217;t even *heard* of a phascogale until you just Googled it.  Well I&#8217;ve seen one in the wild.  ONE!  As in by himself all on his own singular one.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kidcyber.com.au/IMAGES/phascogalebrushtailed.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.kidcyber.com.au/IMAGES/phascogalebrushtailed.jpg</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s cute and eats stuff we don&#8217;t like such as spiders and insects.  A little guy who looks at a funnelweb and thinks &#8220;mmmm lunch!&#8221; has to have some value to us.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s utterly situational.  Camels belong in Arabia, not Australia (the rich Ghan traditions notwithstanding, my grandma will still have bought linen from travelling &#8220;Ghans&#8221; up the Mitta valley even if their camel trains are gone); just as possums are rightly protected in Australia and very valid feral meat and fur in New Zealand (and possom makes a really great doona).</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://ozsoapbox.com/rest-of-australia/culling-camels-makes-australia-a-third-world-country/#comment-11435</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-11434&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-11434&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Totally Discusted&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: Personally I am really upset about the prospect of anyone killing over a million camels. I just dont like the thought of mass killing animals like that. I’m a softy when it comes to these things.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t think they are wiping out the whole population of camels, just a few hundred that have encroached on a township. Personally I&#039;d rather see professional culling than see them dying a slow death from starvation/drought.</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-11434" rel="nofollow">Totally Discusted</a></strong>: Personally I am really upset about the prospect of anyone killing over a million camels. I just dont like the thought of mass killing animals like that. I’m a softy when it comes to these things.
</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t think they are wiping out the whole population of camels, just a few hundred that have encroached on a township. Personally I&#8217;d rather see professional culling than see them dying a slow death from starvation/drought.</p>
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		<title>By: Totally Discusted</title>
		<link>http://ozsoapbox.com/rest-of-australia/culling-camels-makes-australia-a-third-world-country/#comment-11434</link>
		<dc:creator>Totally Discusted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I am really upset about the prospect of anyone killing over a million camels. I just dont like the thought of mass killing animals like that. I&#039;m a softy when it comes to these things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I am really upset about the prospect of anyone killing over a million camels. I just dont like the thought of mass killing animals like that. I&#8217;m a softy when it comes to these things.</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen-D</title>
		<link>http://ozsoapbox.com/rest-of-australia/culling-camels-makes-australia-a-third-world-country/#comment-11428</link>
		<dc:creator>Citizen-D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 03:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we can safely ignore the British, just like the rest of the world does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we can safely ignore the British, just like the rest of the world does.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://ozsoapbox.com/rest-of-australia/culling-camels-makes-australia-a-third-world-country/#comment-11427</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 03:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, if culling these camels makes us a third world country what does letting a pack of hounds rip a fox apart make you? 

I can see how the British would have little understanding of how fragile our water resources are at times... lets be honest... &#039;British&#039; and &#039;Water&#039; in the same sentence is historically uncommon(pheewww.. who farted?)but if it rests between culling (humanely??) or allowing a community of people to dissappear then surely culling is the best option.

There is talks of farming the camels eventually.. the market is probably there... we could allways export the meat to the UK!
Isn&#039;t curry their most popular dish?? Camel/Lamb curry.. no one would be able to tell the difference!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, if culling these camels makes us a third world country what does letting a pack of hounds rip a fox apart make you? </p>
<p>I can see how the British would have little understanding of how fragile our water resources are at times&#8230; lets be honest&#8230; &#8216;British&#8217; and &#8216;Water&#8217; in the same sentence is historically uncommon(pheewww.. who farted?)but if it rests between culling (humanely??) or allowing a community of people to dissappear then surely culling is the best option.</p>
<p>There is talks of farming the camels eventually.. the market is probably there&#8230; we could allways export the meat to the UK!<br />
Isn&#8217;t curry their most popular dish?? Camel/Lamb curry.. no one would be able to tell the difference!!</p>
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		<title>By: ozsoapbox</title>
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		<dc:creator>ozsoapbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew a guy from Egypt once who swore by camel meat. Personally I&#039;ve never eaten it but if it tastes alright then why not.

If there&#039;s a million feral camels in the desert they can&#039;t be that hard to farm can they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew a guy from Egypt once who swore by camel meat. Personally I&#8217;ve never eaten it but if it tastes alright then why not.</p>
<p>If there&#8217;s a million feral camels in the desert they can&#8217;t be that hard to farm can they?</p>
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		<title>By: James L</title>
		<link>http://ozsoapbox.com/rest-of-australia/culling-camels-makes-australia-a-third-world-country/#comment-11412</link>
		<dc:creator>James L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont think third world have a source of potential food running around their backyard, otherwise the famished population would just be eating. 

Maybe thats why they dont have a food source running around, they ate it already.!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont think third world have a source of potential food running around their backyard, otherwise the famished population would just be eating. </p>
<p>Maybe thats why they dont have a food source running around, they ate it already.!</p>
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