Female genital mutilation is not welcome in Australia
If I travel to another country and engage in an activity that is illegal there’s a good change I’m going to face some sort of penalty if I’m caught.
Here in Australia, commit the illegal act of female genital mutilation (also known as female circumcision), and we’ll not only excuse you – we’ll discuss modifying our laws to try and offer you a government sanctioned legal option.
Female genital mutilation is a practice routinely associated with Islamic cultures despite the practice having no religious significance.
Typically the procedure involves cutting and/or the removal or mutilation of the clitoral area of a woman’s vagina. This ranges from cutting out the clitoris to the extreme act of cutting out anything exterior and sewing up the area leaving only a small hole for urine and menstrual blood to pass through.
Needless to say this practice is banned in Australia however recently an idea to combat illegal ‘backyard’ procedures was set to be floated by the The Royal Australian New Zealand College of Obstetricians in June.
The idea is that female genital mutilation is going to occur in Australia anyway due to rampant immigration from regions where it is widely practiced.
To counter this a ‘ritual nick’ could be offered in a clinical setting to satisfy the cultural requirements of those wanting to engage in the practice.
RANZCOG secretary Gino Pecoraro said the policy would be discussed at next month’s Women’s Health Committee meeting.
“We will need to start to think about [its introduction] but we would have to speak to community leaders from Australia,” Dr Pecoraro said.
“If a nick could meet the cultural needs of a particular woman, then it might save her from going through what can really be drastic surgery.
What gets me is that we already have a method for saving
women from going through this ‘drastic surgery’. It’s called the law.
The motivation behind the proposed discussion of the alternative procedure is that
with the rise in Somali and Sudanese numbers in Australia, doctors are seeing more cases of young girls, and women, needing surgery after illegal operations.
This of course begs the obvious question of why the bloody hell haven’t these girls been placed into state custody and their parents arrested for child abuse?
Female mutilation is illegal in Australia and due to the age of the girls involved, parental permission must be sanctioned in order for the procedure to take place. This is regardless of whether it’s done via a backyard operation or clinical environment.
If parents bring their daughter to an Australian clinic or hospital post botched mutilation procedure then why don’t we have policy in place to deal with the situation legally?
As far as I’m aware nobody in Australia to date has been put up on charges for conducting female genital mutilation yet doctors are seeing more cases of it?
Something doesn’t add up.
Instead of bowing to hazardous unnecessary procedures why don’t we try enforcing our existing laws for a change. Sanctioning female genital mutilation is going to get us nowhere.
Proponents of the practice would argue that by allowing doctors to perform a relatively harmless nick lives would be saved. However we all know what happens once you leave the door to this sort of practice slightly ajar.
Does anybody really think that people would be running around completely disfiguring baby girl’s clitoral areas if all that was required to appease their cultural practice was a mere nip of the area?
Offer ritual nicks and it won’t be long before people are demanding government sanctioned legal ‘proper’ mutilation procedures on the grounds of cultural tolerance.
I acknowledge there’s also the potential issue of a crackdown leading to the eventual death of a child because the parents were fearful of legal repercussions of seeking medical attention. In answer to this I say roll out the murder charges.
One or two people being locked away for killing their daughter and the negative publicity this generates should be enough to largely curb the practice.
Part of the problem now is you can rock up to a hospital and despite having clearly performed the practice here in Australia, hide behind cultural sensitivity and have the Australian health system fix your mistakes.
This needs to change.
Present to a hospital with a gunshot wound and the police are called. Present with a female baby or child with severe clitoral trauma and it’s high time some hard hitting questions were asked of the parents.
The Royal Australian New Zealand College of Obstetricians’ proposed discussion on the issue appears to have been prompted by a recent American Academy of Pediatrics policy statement.
The policy statement was released in April and stated that
some physicians should be able to prick or nick a girl’s clitoral skin in order to “satisfy cultural requirements.” The group likened the nick to an ear piercing.
Following criticism from US advocacy groups and survivors of female genital cutting, the policy statement was rescinded on May 27th;
On Thursday the AAP stated the group will not condone doctors to provide any kind of “clitoral nick.”
Shortly after this announcement, the Royal Australian New Zealand College of Obstetricians’ also clarified their position on the matter;
The college for Australia’s obstetricians and gynaecologists says it does not support the “ritual nicking” of young Muslim girls and anyone suspected of performing such genital mutilation should be reported to authorities.
Dr Ted Weaver, president of the Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists (RANZCOG), said media reports suggesting the college would review its policy were the result of a misquote.
He said the issue was likely to be discussed at a meeting next month, triggered by recent announcements made by the American Academy of Pediatrics, but a policy shift was not on the agenda.
“The college does not support – does not – support female genital mutilation, full-stop,” Dr Weaver said.
Although I find it hard to misinterpret the quote provided from Mr. Pecoraro above, ‘
As far as I’m concerned the only discussion that needs to be held on this topic is why aren’t people being arrested for child abuse?
Of course the answer’s quite simple. With most of the proponents for female genital mutilation in Australia coming from minority cultures in the third world, it’s a PR disaster for any government to uphold the law.
Regardless, cultural tolerance only goes so far. If you want to come to Australia and bring with you cultural practices that have already been established as illegal here, then you deserve wholly any legal repercussions. If this means splitting up families then too bad.
Female genital mutilation is child abuse. Period.
How about we stop ‘discussing‘ the matter and enforcing our laws for a change.
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May 29th, 2010 at 8:55 pm Elbowgrease(Quote)
You have to give the doctors some credit for actually attempting to deal with this barbaric bullshit. Better a physician than a mufti wufti.
Maybe less focus on “multiculturalism” and more on assimilation?
May 29th, 2010 at 8:59 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Perhaps… but what I want to know is why aren’t the police dealing with it?
May 30th, 2010 at 2:54 am Ralph(Quote)
I know it’s a separate issue, but I’ve always wondered how the ‘indiscretions’ of all those catholic priests are allowed to be handled internally rather than directly by the police.
May 30th, 2010 at 10:57 am Ouch!(Quote)
Is that how it is in Australia? Because it seems like the police are handling it here.
I agree.
But how about male circumcision? I had it done when I was a week old and couldn’t walk for a year afterward! Seriously, isn’t a 10% monetary tithing enough? Did I really have to give up 10% of my penis?
If a circumcised male wants to convert to Judaism, he gets a nick on the prick to satisfy the covenant. Of course, uncircumcised males have to go under the knife completely. Between that and the no bacon / no cheeseburger rule its no wonder you don’t meet too many Jewish converts!
Back to the topic…
Amen.
May 30th, 2010 at 11:59 am Elbowgrease(Quote)
Oz… The police can only deal with what they know. If there is no complaint how can they investigate? At least you give the girls less chance of infection from backyard monsters.
May 30th, 2010 at 4:05 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
@Ralph
I can’t speak for the coverup stories you hear overseas but as far as I know priests are prosecuted just like anyone else when up for charges in Australia?
@Ouch!
I’m against male circumcision too. I think it’s equally unnecessary in this day and age. If you know how to wash properly the procedure is entirely redundant.
As for converts, well there’s a difference between an adult making a decision for themselves and making it for a child/baby.
@Elbowgrease
If someone rocks up to a hospital with a girl/young women/baby who’s got severe trauma to the clitoral region, then the police should be called in to question the parents.
Forget complaint, since when was our criminal system an opt-in complaints system?
It’s not like the parents aren’t going to know how this happened to their daughter. If they refuse to talk then send the child off to protective care and put the parents on trial.
I’ve had enough of society ignoring Australian law in the name of cultural sensitivity.
June 30th, 2010 at 12:37 am Peter Fumberger(Quote)
This might sound flippant, in regards to the abhorrence of the subject, but male circumcision is extremely necessary.
Unlike FGM, which is done to appease the patheticness of males in an abhorrent culture, male circumcision is painless in the vast majority of cases, at least I never felt any pain, or I can’t remember, but now, I have a very pretty penis, unlike those foul specimens with their repulsive bits of excessive skin.
Man I feel for anybody who has to take one of those foul penises in their mouth, fair dinkum.
Blurrrrrggggghhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 30th, 2010 at 2:52 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
How so?
I’m gunna go with ‘can’t remember’. I don’t care how you put it but lopping off bits of a penis with scissors or a surgical knife is going to hurt.
It’s going to hurt a lot.
When was the last time you heard laughter at a Bris?
I dunno if you’re taking the piss (no pun intended) but is losing sensivity down there really worth the completely subjective aesthetic improvement down there?
You’re pretty much reasoning that male circumcision is ‘extremely necessary’ so that every guy on the planet might benefit from a ‘pretty penis’. Great for gay guys sure but I’m pretty sure the rest of us will choose uninhibited sexual pleasure.
Uh, you do know that when erect the foreskin disappears behind the penis head right. There’s virtually no difference between the two. I’d imagine mouth wise they’d feel the same.
If you’re referring to hygene well, assuming the penis owner washes properly, what’s going to be cleaner? A penis protected under skin or one exposed to everything?
June 30th, 2010 at 3:30 am Peter Fumberger(Quote)
Boys, or girls, I don’t care. Foreskins are hideous things, having seen many of the foul things in my military days. Am I shallow about the aesthetics of that foul piece of skin, and not caring about the ‘pain’, who cares? Thank you Mum and Dad from the bottom of my heart.
Male circumcision is nothing similar to FGM, and any person who says it is is an idiot. FGM is all about pathetic men in a subhuman ideological culture, wanting to have power over women. And anybody who thinks FGM is okay, it being a cultural thing, not that I’m saying anybody on here thinks it okay, is a foul apologist for an abomination perpetrated on innocent young girls.
Yes, I was an innocent little baby too, and I have not lost any sensitivity just because I had that foul piece of extra filth lopped off. Me thinks ozsoapbox is a bit offended with my remarks. Suck it up princess.
Foreskins are an abomination on this earth, and if the corrupt and useless UN, kowtowers to filth of this nature, want to do something worthwhile in the world, not that any country should listen to those corrupt idiots, all foreskins would be banned and the world would be a better place.
I’m having a good laugh here, poor old ozsoapbox, probably a lefty, probably an apologist for FGM and all the abhorrence that is prevalent in the culture that does foul things like FGM. And if you aren’t I apologise for that slur.
Hope I haven’t traumatised you too much mate. Next time you take a peek at that foul extra skin maybe you should take the scissors to it.
Again, blourrrrrggggghhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, one more thing. Any parent allowing this to happen to innocent young girls, anybody who knows about it and does nothing to stop it, and the foul practitioners with the piece of glass or rusty razor blade, should be taken to a field, buried up to their necks, and another foul practice of these barbarians, being stoned to death, should occur to each and every one of these subhuman filth.
No trial, just march them out and cause them as much pain as possible. Disgusting subhumans one and all.
June 30th, 2010 at 2:58 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Well good thing nobody said it was.
Uh, how do you know what you’re missing out on?
So female circumcision being ‘all about pathetic men in a subhuman ideological culture, wanting to have power over women‘ is ‘pathetic‘ but calling on the UN to make male circumcision mandatory because you want every man on Earth to have a a ‘pretty penises‘ is ok.
…riiiiiiiight.
You’re accusing me of being an apologist for FGM via commenting on an article titled ‘Female genital mutilation is not welcome in Australia’ that I myself wrote. Did you even read the article…?
Seems like getting circumcised might affect the brain a little too.
No worries. I don’t have a habit of sitting around all day staring at my penis so me and my uncircumcised mate get along fine.
Take care.
June 30th, 2010 at 3:50 pm Peter Fumberger(Quote)
Mate, I’m being tongue in cheek about the UN. Those corrupt idiots couldn’t get it right anyway, they’d only ban the Jewish ritual and leave the muslims all alone. But let’s not get started on politics.
I do believe you wrote about the bris ritual, and yes, I have witnessed one, in Israel, and no, the little darling didn’t squark much, apart from the first snip (I believe the little sip of booze, or whatever it was, helped with that). I’m pretty sure I had a little blubber myself way back in 1957, but it didn’t traumatise me, I didn’t become an idiot who sued his parents for having this done to him, and I still have maximum sensitivity.
I’m just wondering here how it is that people could even test the sensitivity thing, unless it is from some bloke who had that foul skin, then had to have it chopped off for medical purposes, and voila, his sensitivity was all gone. I’m thinking that would be a good thing anyway, as long as one can still ejaculate, the girls, or boys, loving that these men were such stayers.
As I wrote, I am forever grateful to my wonderful parents for making me a cleanskin, a non-heathen type.
We used to use the sign of the cross on the patrol boat, to all we knew were heathens, but try as we might, the boss would not allow us to request that Canberra only send non-heathens to the boat. Yes, all in jest of course, except for the sign of the cross thing.
And I do believe I wrote that if I was incorrect about your apologist ways, and yes, I did read the article and yes, I do know that you are against it, I apologise for that slur.
Sadly ozsoapbox, there are many out there who are apologists for this filth, and far too many out there who perpetuate this filth, and the many other abominations perpetrated in the name of this odious culture. Sadly that includes doctors and nurses, health professionals who have to report suspected child abuse to the police, even if it is only a few bruises, yet they remain silent when they have to fix up botched backdoor clitoridectomies.
This is the part where we all should be up in arms, the authorities kowtowing to these subhumans, as nobody has been prosecuted in Australia, in fact I believe nobody has even been charged with a crime, and it is a crime against humanity here.
Governments and police and the medical profession turn a blind eye to this abomination, and they should be charged with aiding and abetting this foul crime. And the parents should be gaoled as well, and sent overseas to their cesspool of a country, irrespective of whether they have become citizens, and all children taken away from them.
But from this day forward, there will be no more comments about foreskins (man my hands are shaking in revulsion at the word, but my typing skills are sublime so I will get this out post haste). You can make your final comments, defend you and your mates who are happy with their extra skin, and we can get down to the abomination that is the culture that allows FGM.
June 30th, 2010 at 4:48 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Are your views on male circumcision religious or do they stem from elsewhere? Circumcised or not the term heathen isn’t all that far apart from ‘infidel’. You can see what I’m getting at.
As for sensitivity, I guess try and think of it in terms of your fingernails. If you cut them regularly they lose sensitivity on the tips. If you let them grow though and then cut them you get that funny feeling for a few days. That funny feeling is increased sensitivity.
Penis wise you get the same affect depending on whether you’re circumcised or not. You can still feel down there but it’s… different.
Totally agree with you on the lack of action by our authorities when it comes to FGM. That was one of my main sticking points in the article.
June 30th, 2010 at 7:26 pm Peter Fumberger(Quote)
Ozboy, it’s nothing to do with religion or anything else. And this is definitely the last time I will write on this. The heathen bit is just a joke with a mate, it’s to do with how we think you are unclean. And if you take offence at that, when you are more than happy with what you still have, jesus, go get it snipped off.
But, as I have written, I have seen a great many of them, not that I was looking or of that bent (not that there is anything wrong with that), and I think that uncircumcised penises are horrid looking (a la my bluuugrrrrrrggggghhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!).
Just as there are many divine looking vaginal lips, and some looking like a meat cleaver has been taken to them, or they’ve been beaten about too much (as crude as that may sound).
Now please, just let it drop. We will just have to agree to disagree. Mmmm!!! I wonder how Swiss white chocolate truffle melted all over would taste. No, it would be a gross waste of divine chocolate.
I’m glad we agree on the FGM thing, which was the gist of the article. I have written a few letters to those in authority in Victoria, the arseholes just ignore me (and I didn’t even mention foreskins).
The thing that really pisses me off is that I have read they are going to ban male circumcisions in Victoria, and still this filth goes on, not necessarily in hospitals as I thought, but the aftermath, doctors fixing up botched backyard jobs, and no mention of this to the authorities.
Parents are charged for child abuse, and doctors and nurses report to the police and relevant authorities if a child has a black eye and a few bruises on their legs, but cut of clits and labial bits, these disgusting cowards remain mute.
June 30th, 2010 at 8:17 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Done and done!
October 31st, 2011 at 4:40 pm Sarah(Quote)
@Peter Fumberger … Are you right in the head?
October 31st, 2011 at 5:08 pm PeterF57(Quote)
Sarah, most certainly I am right in the head. But that is just my humble opinion, as there are many out there who may think otherwise. And you are obviously one of those who think that.
And here I was thinking that it was all done and dusted on this topic.
December 4th, 2011 at 4:27 pm Adelaide chick(Quote)
Oz, thank you for this blog. When a child/woman is taken to a doctor or hospital as a result of genital mutilation, they should be put into a foster home and the parents charged for the crime.
It really shits me how some people move to Australia without being willing to live within our laws.