Somebody tell judges they are supposed to be populist
Some of the garbage that comes out of the Australian legal system never ceases to amaze me.
If judges aren’t handing out lollipop sentences then we’ve got judges blaming judges for being influenced by “populist views”.
Western Australia chief justice, Wayne Martin, seemingly disturbed by the recent rise in jailing by the courts is urging judges to “show leadership in deciding how to respond.”
This of course being code for listening to the fabric of society and then doing the complete opposite when sentencing.
I believe that if one place needs populism then it’s the legal system. If judges are to ignore societal opinion, what else are they supposed to gauge sentencing upon?
As a layman member of society to me there is something fundamentally wrong when the general consensus in society is that Crime A is severe and deserves at least 5 years in jail (mind you societal opinion is never this specific but it’s relatively easy to gauge a general idea), and then some clown judge gives someone found guilty of Crime A a 3 day suspended sentence.
For no other reason then they don’t want to be seen as sympathetic to populism.
Earlier this year I wrote about a week of garbage in the Australian courts and highlighted three cases I believe are the height of judges sentencing so as to appear anti-populist gone wrong.
Case 1 saw Sharon and Blake Ward deliver a successful theatrical performance which convinced a judge to postpone sentencing for starving their daughter to death.
Case 2 saw Donna Filchett give her kids a cocktail of drugs and then strangle or suffocate them to death. She was found not guilty at an appeal because the judge felt the jury hadn’t been adequately informed of the consequences of finding her guilty the first time.
Apparently the jury were of the impression that a guilty verdict to murder meant the accused was granted an all expenses paid trip around the world and a million dollar cash prize.
Finally case 3 saw Cameron Thomas awarded $853,396 for falling off a bunk bed whilst at a sleepover when he was ten years old.
This is exactly the type of nonsense that judges who think they are upholding justice in the name of anti-populism are continually responsible for.
Want a more recent populist vs. non-populist example?
Take the two cases of females that raped underage males recently.
Both cases involved a history of alcohol abuse, middle aged females and two underage boys.
Michelle Lynn Dennis “was drinking heavily during the 2007 offending and had kept a water bottle full of red wine in her car.” She had sex with two underage boys and was appropriately sentenced to four years and three months in jail, with a minimum of two years and ten months.
Jenny Lee Mitchell had a “background of horrific abuse and alcohol dependency.” She bought a slab of cruisers and shared it with a 17 year old and his younger friend who were staying with her at the time. She later had sex with both of them.
The judge who sentenced Mitchell labelled her a victim and gave her a two year suspended sentence.
One woman goes to jail and one gets off scott free. Female rape cases in particular seem to elicit a high level of anti-populism judge responses.
On one hand you have uniformly tough sentences handed out to males convicted of underage rape (248 years jail for looking at someone’s facebook page, saying hi to a young girl on the street, or telling someone you hug your daughter etc.) and then wildly different sentences being handed out to females found guilty of the same thing.
Ask random members of society what the hell the difference was to warrant a four year jail term vs. a two year suspended sentence and I imagine most will struggle to put up an argument. The sentencing in Mitchell’s case is clearly the result of a judge trying to buck social opinion on child rape and instead suggest that the rapist was indeed the victim in the case.
Chief justice Wayne Martin however would have you believe that this wildly difference in sentencing is a good thing.
dismissed the impact of tougher laws or perceived changes in offending rates for causing the growing prison gridlock.”It seems distinctly possible that the greater impact on prison numbers comes from courts sending a greater number of offenders to prison, and for longer,” he said.
Chief Justice Martin said the human and financial cost of the change in sentencing was huge and Aboriginal people had been the worst-affected.
What the hell are judges worrying about the prison population for? Does it make any sense to not give someone an appropriate sentence because they might have to share a cell with a fellow inmate?
Housing criminals should not be a part of the sentencing procedure, nor should it ever be taken into consideration when sentencing either. Similarly the cost of keeping someone in jail shouldn’t come under consideration either.
We as a country spend millions housing illegal immigrants in detention to process them but are worried about the cost of jailing criminals? Gee, better hand out some more suspended sentences this week then just to be safe.
And as for Aboriginals, perhaps if they weren’t, you know sniffing petrol, drinking themselves silly, abusing children and stealing Freddo Frogs (tongue planted firmly in my cheek), then they wouldn’t wind up in the courts to begin with.
If Aboriginals are indeed the worst affected by the introduction of more appropriate sentencing then it is the Aboriginals themselves who have to change and abide by the laws of this country, not vice-versa.
Frankly I’m sick of judges being afraid to be seen as populist. Judges aren’t publicly elected and cannot be removed from office by the general public. If not via public opinion than how else are they to have any sort of gauge on whether the sentences they are handing out are appropriate or not?
As a society we should have some influence via opinion on the frequent rubbish sentences we see come out of the Australian court system. Removing this input is the final alienation of the public from a legal system that is supposedly there to protect and serve us.
Sorry Wayne but I for one would prefer to keep the doors of justice open and accessible.
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November 24th, 2009 at 4:01 pm Fred(Quote)
OH MY GOD! How dare you talk such sense and simple logic in this country! Where doing out best to go backwards and you want us to turn around and go forwards! People like you make me sick!
“Housing criminals should not be a part of the sentencing procedure, nor should it ever be taken into consideration when sentencing either. Similarly the cost of keeping someone in jail shouldn’t come under consideration either.
We as a country spend millions housing illegal immigrants in detention to process them but are worried about the cost of jailing criminals? Gee, better hand out some more suspended sentences this week then just to be safe.
And as for Aboriginals, perhaps if they weren’t, you know sniffing petrol, drinking themselves silly, abusing children and stealing Freddo Frogs (tongue planted firmly in my cheek), then they wouldn’t wind up in the courts to begin with.
If Aboriginals are indeed the worst affected by the introduction of more appropriate sentencing then it is the Aboriginals themselves who have to change and abide by the laws of this country, not vice-versa.”
As usual OZ, couldn’t agree more, this time you really did take the words out of my mouth. Especially with the above quote.
November 24th, 2009 at 4:35 pm Vince(Quote)
I hear ya’s on the Aboriginals. I try to keep an open mind, but just about every time I walk past one, the first line I hear is “Aye bro you got $2?”. They’re not doing a good job of trying to combat their stereotype.
November 24th, 2009 at 6:21 pm Elbogrease(Quote)
Magistrates & Judges are not for the noisy rabble.
They are there to dispense justice.
Let them do their job.
Fucked if I’d sit in judgment with the gov of the day looking at my rulings. The judiciary needs to be kept separate from political and religious AND kneejerk reactions.
And give a bro a go!
My family moved to Bourke 20 years ago and after visiting them i can tell you that you don’t need to be black to be an arsehole.
Hmmm mabye i’ll stop whingeing now.
Had a few ales this arvo.
November 25th, 2009 at 7:16 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
Staying away from kneejerk reactions, religious or otherwise, I’m all for. However if the judiciary don’t take input from the general public aren’t they at risk of completely (further?) alienating the justice system with the core societal values of the day?
Look what happened when the legal system tried to take a kid to court over receiving a stolen freddo frog. You can’t tell me that was dismissed because of anything but public opinion.
November 26th, 2009 at 10:29 pm Bushrat(Quote)
Too right there’s a risk!
Not only that, but there is a HUGE difference between JUSTICE and THE LAW.
One only has to look at the mechanisations of the Family Law acts, and the Child Support Agency to have the difference between the two rammed up your snout. The guilty are rewarded, the innocent are punished. Often.
Not saying it’s always like this, just far too often.
As we are all painfully aware, the law is an ass. To be more precise, a fucking stupid, hypocritical, arrogent, brainless fool of an ass! This sort of shit has been going on for far too long now, and it will CONTINUE to go on until we as a nation develop some backbone, and grow great big Kahuna’s and say “ENUFF!”
Sorry but we all have to share the blame for the way things are today, particularly my generation, as we were so busy chasin babes, racing cars and generally having a great time – that we sat on our arses and let it happen! So there, I’ll fess up!
There are so many things wrong in our country today that shouldnt be wrong. So many bad laws, bad decisions, bad business, bad government, the list is endless.
Maybe it’s time we did elect our judges?
Could it be any worse than some of these bloody apologists we now have? Why cant we have a three strike policy like they have in the States? Last time I was over there some dipshit got life. His crime? He bashed up two young boys and stole their pizza! He had two priors, one for GTA (grand theft auto), and one for break and enter, the pizza hiest was his third strike……………………………
So in effect, the system said to him, “ok, you have proved yourself to be a worthless piece of shit, your out of here. Forever.”
We CAN do this sort of thing here, it HAS been done, so why cant these judges understand that THEY work for US to administer JUSTICE rather than LAW.
Get it right your worship, we are sick of this shit!
November 26th, 2009 at 11:17 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
I’d love for the three strikes law to be introduced here.
For all the bleeding hearts that complain about the cost, put the convicts to work!
Work for the jail would solve a lot of our infrastructure problems.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:43 pm Bushrat(Quote)
Damn right! Better yet put the bleeding hearts into cells with a big man named “bubba” and give them some first hand experience of the moral standards of those whose “rights” they are so quick to defend.
Maybe stick a few judges in the mix as well, might be a good learning curve for them?
December 3rd, 2009 at 5:06 pm John(Quote)
I agree entirely. The soft sentencing will be the death of this country and people realise there are no serious consequences. I watched it happen in England and I’ve left because of it.
Inhuman, I know, but I can’t help but wish more of the rapes, muggings and beatings were perpetrated against members of the judges’ families. I suspect their sentences may change after that. Living in their ivory towers, distant from ‘real’ society, they have no clue what their pitiful sentences do in the long-term for society.
Any criminals out there reading this, please target the judges’ families. . .
And there should be a mechanism where the masses can email their view or feedback to the judicary. Even if it is a formal vote requiring POI to tell these idiots they are too soft.
December 4th, 2009 at 11:31 am Bushrat(Quote)
There are those who would be critical of your decision to leave England, but not me. I am 60, and even at my age, if I culd find a DECENT place to go, with honorouble standards, I WOULD LEAVE.
Now, dont get me wrong, I am a proud Aussie, and I love my country to bits. But its sick, and no matter what we say or do as individuals, it will NEVER change, simply because the system is wrong.
It DOES happen, it HAS happened, where judges and families are harmed, and it changed the system very little.
The real villian behind all this is the government, who brings in these rules to pander to minorities in order to secure thier vote, and therefore thier jobs. There are lots of good honest politicians, don’t get me wrong, but the government machine, no matter what banner it operates under, is inept, stubborn, and just plain evil!
In my opinion, the way that government works in this country and elsewhere actually acts as an incubator for a lot of the things that plague us.
The only way this country or any other can emerge from the miasma of shit that now pervades everything is for THE PEOPLE to start a new political working group (you will note I dont use the word “party” )! , and start from scratch.
However many have tried to make change, and none have really succeeded.
“Remember, remember the fifth of November,
The gunpowder treason and plot,
I see no reason
Why the gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot.”
Poor old Guy Fawkes! But it was a good object lesson as to how not to make changes!
May 17th, 2010 at 8:08 pm et(Quote)
We need to stand up and fight as Aussies and not let this country go down the toilet.
If we all decided to run away, the next place we go to may end up the same so we might as well keep running!
Don’t forget we still have freedom of speech and we all should exercise that priviledge!!!
May 18th, 2010 at 1:49 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
Actually we don’t. Australia has implied freedom of speech and supposedly polical free speech, but the US style free speech does not exist here.
May 18th, 2010 at 11:03 am bushrat(Quote)
That’s because we never had the balls to fight a war of independnce like the Americans. The closest we got was the Eureka stockade!
May 18th, 2010 at 12:11 pm et(Quote)
lol@bushrat. We have alot to learn “Down Under”!!!!