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	<title>Comments on: Unanswered Questions: Scientology and Edward McBride</title>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://ozsoapbox.com/rest-of-australia/unanswered-questions-scientology-and-edward-mcbride/#comment-11494</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 04:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just finished the McBride findings and am left with a question.  Perhaps it was answered and I missed it:  has murder been absolutely ruled out?

To recap:
Aug 2006 McBride signs up for $25,000 of Scientology courses.
Sep 2006 he &quot;plans on traveling&quot; (Sea Org?)
Nov 2006 med d/c from military is approved; asks to be out &quot;no later than March 2007.&quot;
Dec 2006 granted leave from 1-8-07 to 2-19-07; buys ticket to visit family on 2-12-2007.
Feb 2007 complete &quot;ARC Straight Wire&quot; on 2-5-07.  Kinda quits Scientology.
Feb 7 2007 8:45 pm: electrocuted.

Two speculative scenarios:
#1:  Auditor tries to convince McBride that he&#039;s in bad shape and needs more work before he can join the Sea Org.  She recommends that he cancel his visit home.  He&#039;s not happy.  He says he&#039;ll have to talk to his family and get back to her.  He calls his family on 2-5-09 but can&#039;t bring himself to tell them he won&#039;t visit.  He then calls his auditor on 2-6 but she won&#039;t take no for an anwer.  

Problem with this scenario as a foul-play explanation:  I can&#039;t imagine CoS killing someone for so little.

#2:  McBride discovers something unpleasant about the CoS in January, but doesn&#039;t blow.  He hopes his auditor can explain things.  Meanwhile, someone up the chain of command gets worried and hires someone to investigate McBride, including a few proposed &quot;accidents&quot; that might befall him.  When the Straight Wire course ends, McBride realizes he&#039;s not going to get a satisfying answer from his auditor and so he blows.  Two handlers are sent to talk to him.  He then has a accident/suicide event something like this:

1. The handlers visit the substation a week before the incident (&quot;Ms Hocking said that she had seen people in and outside of the substation misbehaving in the past with an incident reported by her some one or two weeks previously&quot;).  Their &quot;stuck in an electronic incident&quot; solution travels up the chain of command and gets approved.
2. On 2-7-09 the men kill McBride, perhaps by strangulation, then take him in his car to the substation.  
5. Rope1 gets tied to the bumper.
5  The bitter end goes through a block attached to the tree at the SW corner a few feet above the top of the fence (GoogleEarth).
6. Rope1 is secured to the McBride&#039;s body.  Rope2 is also secured and the end is tossed over the fence.
7. The car is reversed, raising the body above the fence.  
8. Guy1 goes over the fence and then uses rope2 to guide the body over.
9. Guy2 moves the car forward toward the fence until the body is on the ground.  
10.  Guy2 removes rope1 from the bumper and takes it with him over the fence.
11.  The men get the body under the tower with its bare feet on the conductive ground.
12.  They tie rope1 around the body&#039;s neck and rope2 around its chest under the arms.  
13.  Guy2 takes both rope ends up the tower and throws them over the bus bar.
14.  Guy1 uses rope2 to hoist the body into a standing position.
15.  Guy2 secures rope1 to the tower then gets down.
16.  Guy1 removes rope2 from McBride.  He ties one end of a wire to rope2 and another to McBride&#039;s neck.
17.  Both men take the free end of rope2 and get behind the south wall of the shed along the west fence.
18.  Rope2 is pulled until the end attached to the wire hits the bus bar.
19.  Boom!  The wire turns to dust.
20.  The guys climb out and stash rope2 in the brush before walking to their car.

Disadvantage of the above scenario:  People far away with no grasp of the practical situation never invent detailed scenarios that actually work.

Advantages of above scenario:
- It explains the curious length of rope that McBride used to &quot;hang&quot; himself. 
- It explains the elaborate cover-up.
- The Scientologists who were &quot;shocked&quot; to learn that McBride was dead a friggin&#039; year after the fact are clearly full of shit; murder would explain why.
- Suicidal people usually let others know for a time that they&#039;re considering offing themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished the McBride findings and am left with a question.  Perhaps it was answered and I missed it:  has murder been absolutely ruled out?</p>
<p>To recap:<br />
Aug 2006 McBride signs up for $25,000 of Scientology courses.<br />
Sep 2006 he &#8220;plans on traveling&#8221; (Sea Org?)<br />
Nov 2006 med d/c from military is approved; asks to be out &#8220;no later than March 2007.&#8221;<br />
Dec 2006 granted leave from 1-8-07 to 2-19-07; buys ticket to visit family on 2-12-2007.<br />
Feb 2007 complete &#8220;ARC Straight Wire&#8221; on 2-5-07.  Kinda quits Scientology.<br />
Feb 7 2007 8:45 pm: electrocuted.</p>
<p>Two speculative scenarios:<br />
#1:  Auditor tries to convince McBride that he&#8217;s in bad shape and needs more work before he can join the Sea Org.  She recommends that he cancel his visit home.  He&#8217;s not happy.  He says he&#8217;ll have to talk to his family and get back to her.  He calls his family on 2-5-09 but can&#8217;t bring himself to tell them he won&#8217;t visit.  He then calls his auditor on 2-6 but she won&#8217;t take no for an anwer.  </p>
<p>Problem with this scenario as a foul-play explanation:  I can&#8217;t imagine CoS killing someone for so little.</p>
<p>#2:  McBride discovers something unpleasant about the CoS in January, but doesn&#8217;t blow.  He hopes his auditor can explain things.  Meanwhile, someone up the chain of command gets worried and hires someone to investigate McBride, including a few proposed &#8220;accidents&#8221; that might befall him.  When the Straight Wire course ends, McBride realizes he&#8217;s not going to get a satisfying answer from his auditor and so he blows.  Two handlers are sent to talk to him.  He then has a accident/suicide event something like this:</p>
<p>1. The handlers visit the substation a week before the incident (&#8220;Ms Hocking said that she had seen people in and outside of the substation misbehaving in the past with an incident reported by her some one or two weeks previously&#8221;).  Their &#8220;stuck in an electronic incident&#8221; solution travels up the chain of command and gets approved.<br />
2. On 2-7-09 the men kill McBride, perhaps by strangulation, then take him in his car to the substation.<br />
5. Rope1 gets tied to the bumper.<br />
5  The bitter end goes through a block attached to the tree at the SW corner a few feet above the top of the fence (GoogleEarth).<br />
6. Rope1 is secured to the McBride&#8217;s body.  Rope2 is also secured and the end is tossed over the fence.<br />
7. The car is reversed, raising the body above the fence.<br />
8. Guy1 goes over the fence and then uses rope2 to guide the body over.<br />
9. Guy2 moves the car forward toward the fence until the body is on the ground.<br />
10.  Guy2 removes rope1 from the bumper and takes it with him over the fence.<br />
11.  The men get the body under the tower with its bare feet on the conductive ground.<br />
12.  They tie rope1 around the body&#8217;s neck and rope2 around its chest under the arms.<br />
13.  Guy2 takes both rope ends up the tower and throws them over the bus bar.<br />
14.  Guy1 uses rope2 to hoist the body into a standing position.<br />
15.  Guy2 secures rope1 to the tower then gets down.<br />
16.  Guy1 removes rope2 from McBride.  He ties one end of a wire to rope2 and another to McBride&#8217;s neck.<br />
17.  Both men take the free end of rope2 and get behind the south wall of the shed along the west fence.<br />
18.  Rope2 is pulled until the end attached to the wire hits the bus bar.<br />
19.  Boom!  The wire turns to dust.<br />
20.  The guys climb out and stash rope2 in the brush before walking to their car.</p>
<p>Disadvantage of the above scenario:  People far away with no grasp of the practical situation never invent detailed scenarios that actually work.</p>
<p>Advantages of above scenario:<br />
- It explains the curious length of rope that McBride used to &#8220;hang&#8221; himself.<br />
- It explains the elaborate cover-up.<br />
- The Scientologists who were &#8220;shocked&#8221; to learn that McBride was dead a friggin&#8217; year after the fact are clearly full of shit; murder would explain why.<br />
- Suicidal people usually let others know for a time that they&#8217;re considering offing themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://ozsoapbox.com/rest-of-australia/unanswered-questions-scientology-and-edward-mcbride/#comment-11430</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen McBride reports that he will be appearing on Today Tonight Thurs Dec 3.
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/15-media/alert-stephen-mcbride-will-today-tonight-thursday-3rd-dec-6-30pm-57770/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen McBride reports that he will be appearing on Today Tonight Thurs Dec 3.<br />
<a href="http://forums.whyweprotest.net/15-media/alert-stephen-mcbride-will-today-tonight-thursday-3rd-dec-6-30pm-57770/" rel="nofollow">http://forums.whyweprotest.net/15-media/alert-stephen-mcbride-will-today-tonight-thursday-3rd-dec-6-30pm-57770/</a></p>
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		<title>By: tamphex</title>
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		<dc:creator>tamphex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Cult of Scientology, see that fork in your arse? Yeah, that means your done.

tick, tock, tick, tock...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Cult of Scientology, see that fork in your arse? Yeah, that means your done.</p>
<p>tick, tock, tick, tock&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Vir</title>
		<link>http://ozsoapbox.com/rest-of-australia/unanswered-questions-scientology-and-edward-mcbride/#comment-10687</link>
		<dc:creator>Vir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I hope Scientology savors how their handling of the Edward McBride case directly led to Nick Xenophon calling for police and parliamentary investigations of their crimes and tax exempt status.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I hope Scientology savors how their handling of the Edward McBride case directly led to Nick Xenophon calling for police and parliamentary investigations of their crimes and tax exempt status.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenji - Melbourne Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://ozsoapbox.com/rest-of-australia/unanswered-questions-scientology-and-edward-mcbride/#comment-9972</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenji - Melbourne Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous will fight against the Church of Scientology and make sure Edward McBride&#039;s death is not in vain. 
Melbourne Anonymous will be protesting again this November 21st.

for information visit www.melbanon.com

we suggest anyone in Melbourne who knew Edward McBride or is outraged at the news to come and protest with us.
If you knew him, please find your local anonymous cell and protest with them.

www.whyweprotest.net will give you the information you need. Please, help fight the Church of Scientology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous will fight against the Church of Scientology and make sure Edward McBride&#8217;s death is not in vain.<br />
Melbourne Anonymous will be protesting again this November 21st.</p>
<p>for information visit <a href="http://www.melbanon.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.melbanon.com</a></p>
<p>we suggest anyone in Melbourne who knew Edward McBride or is outraged at the news to come and protest with us.<br />
If you knew him, please find your local anonymous cell and protest with them.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.whyweprotest.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.whyweprotest.net</a> will give you the information you need. Please, help fight the Church of Scientology.</p>
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		<title>By: ozsoapbox</title>
		<link>http://ozsoapbox.com/rest-of-australia/unanswered-questions-scientology-and-edward-mcbride/#comment-9965</link>
		<dc:creator>ozsoapbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The media hear keep going on about the military despite them being ruled out. Yet none of them are seemingly willing to touch the Scientology angle, what gives?

Is investigative journalism really that dead in this country?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The media hear keep going on about the military despite them being ruled out. Yet none of them are seemingly willing to touch the Scientology angle, what gives?</p>
<p>Is investigative journalism really that dead in this country?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen McBride (brother of Edward McBride)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen McBride (brother of Edward McBride)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My letter to the Scientology.. All their head offices. (appologies OzSoapbox for the swearing - feel free to censor)

Also here is a link that may interest you: http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2009/11/09/2737873.htm

I&#039;m the brother of Edward McBride who you freaks pushed to the edge to commit suicide... He paid out $25,000 for one of your courses and then he topped himself.. It&#039;s all over the news here in Perth (Australia).. Pretty fucking low that the Sydney church transferred his personal files to the mother church in USA so it was out of Australian jurisdiction.. Anyway, you lot are getting real bad press over here at the minute (for the last 6 weeks) - did I mention that my family and I have an exclusive television / network deal to blow you lot out of the water.. The thing is, when you fuck with someone from Belfast, Northern Ireland you dont know what&#039;s gonna hit ya... This is just the start of it... Yep, pay back is a bitch... Posts are on all the major news websites, numerous posts on Facebook / MySpace... Interview exclusive with a major Australian magazine... You fucked with the wrong Irish clan...

Oh, dont bother replying back as I dont have time for your shite... Oh, and the lawyers...yep, our family has them too... Ciao :o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My letter to the Scientology.. All their head offices. (appologies OzSoapbox for the swearing &#8211; feel free to censor)</p>
<p>Also here is a link that may interest you: <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2009/11/09/2737873.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2009/11/09/2737873.htm</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m the brother of Edward McBride who you freaks pushed to the edge to commit suicide&#8230; He paid out $25,000 for one of your courses and then he topped himself.. It&#8217;s all over the news here in Perth (Australia).. Pretty fucking low that the Sydney church transferred his personal files to the mother church in USA so it was out of Australian jurisdiction.. Anyway, you lot are getting real bad press over here at the minute (for the last 6 weeks) &#8211; did I mention that my family and I have an exclusive television / network deal to blow you lot out of the water.. The thing is, when you fuck with someone from Belfast, Northern Ireland you dont know what&#8217;s gonna hit ya&#8230; This is just the start of it&#8230; Yep, pay back is a bitch&#8230; Posts are on all the major news websites, numerous posts on Facebook / MySpace&#8230; Interview exclusive with a major Australian magazine&#8230; You fucked with the wrong Irish clan&#8230;</p>
<p>Oh, dont bother replying back as I dont have time for your shite&#8230; Oh, and the lawyers&#8230;yep, our family has them too&#8230; Ciao <img src='http://ozsoapbox.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: David Mudkips</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Mudkips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad to see that both the mainstream media and bloggers are keeping an eye on this situation.

If Edward was indeed planning on going to the US to become a Scientology auditor, there&#039;s a very good chance he would have done Scientology&#039;s &quot;Happiness Rundown.&quot;  In this exercise, he would have had to reveal his past sexual experiences -- including the same-sex ones.

And, having revealed the same-sex ones, they (using Scientology&#039;s vernacular) would have had to been &quot;handled&quot;... meaning spending a lot more money for additional auditing if he wanted to follow his dream.

There is CLEARLY more to this story.  The incessant phone calls from his handlers in Scientology... and the deliberate paperwork shuffle to remove his records outside of the inquiry&#039;s jurisdiction smell to high heaven.

I&#039;m not saying there is necessarily anything incriminating in his Scientology records... but Scientology&#039;s part in the inquiry smacks of paranoia, deception and obstruction.  Which, frankly, is par-for-the-course for this organization.

Google, &quot;Lisa McPherson&quot; if you need a primer on how Scientology &quot;handles&quot; unusual deaths of it&#039;s adherents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad to see that both the mainstream media and bloggers are keeping an eye on this situation.</p>
<p>If Edward was indeed planning on going to the US to become a Scientology auditor, there&#8217;s a very good chance he would have done Scientology&#8217;s &#8220;Happiness Rundown.&#8221;  In this exercise, he would have had to reveal his past sexual experiences &#8212; including the same-sex ones.</p>
<p>And, having revealed the same-sex ones, they (using Scientology&#8217;s vernacular) would have had to been &#8220;handled&#8221;&#8230; meaning spending a lot more money for additional auditing if he wanted to follow his dream.</p>
<p>There is CLEARLY more to this story.  The incessant phone calls from his handlers in Scientology&#8230; and the deliberate paperwork shuffle to remove his records outside of the inquiry&#8217;s jurisdiction smell to high heaven.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying there is necessarily anything incriminating in his Scientology records&#8230; but Scientology&#8217;s part in the inquiry smacks of paranoia, deception and obstruction.  Which, frankly, is par-for-the-course for this organization.</p>
<p>Google, &#8220;Lisa McPherson&#8221; if you need a primer on how Scientology &#8220;handles&#8221; unusual deaths of it&#8217;s adherents.</p>
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		<title>By: ozsoapbox</title>
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		<dc:creator>ozsoapbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t hold my breath over that inquest:

&lt;blockquote&gt;A defence inquiry to be held in Brisbane will probe whether there were any defence-related circumstances surrounding the death of Mr McBride&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Given the initial coroner findings I don&#039;t think going after the army is going to turn up any new &#039;evidence&#039;. 

Meanwhile somebody needs to take Scientology Australia to task over this, confessional privilege my arse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t hold my breath over that inquest:</p>
<blockquote><p>A defence inquiry to be held in Brisbane will probe whether there were any defence-related circumstances surrounding the death of Mr McBride</p></blockquote>
<p>Given the initial coroner findings I don&#8217;t think going after the army is going to turn up any new &#8216;evidence&#8217;. </p>
<p>Meanwhile somebody needs to take Scientology Australia to task over this, confessional privilege my arse.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://ozsoapbox.com/rest-of-australia/unanswered-questions-scientology-and-edward-mcbride/#comment-9613</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scientology MUST be compelled to share the audit files. They must not be allowed to get off easily by claiming &quot;confessional privilege.&quot; This is just too frightening a story...

http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaking-news-national/inquiry-begins-into-qld-soldiers-death-20091109-i3s4.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scientology MUST be compelled to share the audit files. They must not be allowed to get off easily by claiming &#8220;confessional privilege.&#8221; This is just too frightening a story&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaking-news-national/inquiry-begins-into-qld-soldiers-death-20091109-i3s4.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaking-news-national/inquiry-begins-into-qld-soldiers-death-20091109-i3s4.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://ozsoapbox.com/rest-of-australia/unanswered-questions-scientology-and-edward-mcbride/#comment-9185</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this in the book - Hollywood, Satanism, Scientology, and Suicide. 

Excerpt:

The undisclosed dangers in Scientology&#039;s initiatory techniques

&quot;These second generation thought reform programs are commonly called &quot;coercive persuasion&quot; in the courts. In United States v. Lee 455 U.S. 252, 257-258 (1982), the California Supreme Court found that &quot;when a person is subjected to coercive persuasion without his knowledge or consent... [he may] develop serious and sometimes irreversible physical and psychiatric disorders, up to and including schizophrenia, self-mutilation, and suicide.&quot;

The goal of all coercive persuasion programs is to produce target compliance and control of the target&#039;s resources by holding the target at a point of maximum psychological stress, without inducing psychosis. Unfortunately, the second generation coercive programs have increased the chance of error because their targets tend to be less well monitored, and the advanced techniques used to induce stress are more powerful and less predictable in their effects upon individuals.

In coercive persuasion programs, the main attack is done through frequent and intense attempts to cause a person to reevaluate the most central aspects of their experience of self and their prior conduct in NEGATIVE ways. Efforts are designed to destabilize and undermine the subject&#039;s basic consciousness, reality awareness, world view, emotional control, and defense mechanisms. These tactics are engineered to induce the individual to reinterpret his or her life history and to adopt a new (often irrational) version of causality.

On Scientology&#039;s secret initiations, the individual is told (while under the suggestibility of hypnotic trance and stress) that he or she is really not one individual but a composite of hundreds, possibly thousands, or even tens of thousands of alien beings (called &quot;body thetans&quot; or &quot;BTs.&quot;) These beings are trapped in his or her body as the result of a galactic war that occurred 76 million years ago (OT 3, and OT 5.) Individuals subjected to these initiation techniques are told (while vulnerable) that these alien beings are fighting for control of the individual&#039;s body and identity, that these alien beings can make them act insane or become terminally ill, and that only Scientology has the technology to safely &quot;remove&quot; these alien beings from their bodies.

Members spend sometimes hundreds of hours of exposure to these secret levels, talking to their various body parts, trying to get these alien beings out of their bodies. They are repeatedly told that they could go insane and die if they do anything procedurally wrong while trying to remove these other beings.

In these secret initiation levels, to more effectively attack the person&#039;s core concepts of self, Hubbard&#039;s methods trick the person in trance into believing he is not who he always thought he was. To fragment the individual&#039;s personality and integrity on order to facilitate better initiate control, Hubbard induces a hypnotic state of multiple personality similar to an artificial schizophrenia. Many observers report Scientologists switching &quot;personalities&quot; dramatically and abruptly.

It is no wonder people could become psychotic or suicidal when tricked into deeply believing and acting upon this alien being story when their suggestibility is at its highest and their defenses at their lowest.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this in the book &#8211; Hollywood, Satanism, Scientology, and Suicide. </p>
<p>Excerpt:</p>
<p>The undisclosed dangers in Scientology&#8217;s initiatory techniques</p>
<p>&#8220;These second generation thought reform programs are commonly called &#8220;coercive persuasion&#8221; in the courts. In United States v. Lee 455 U.S. 252, 257-258 (1982), the California Supreme Court found that &#8220;when a person is subjected to coercive persuasion without his knowledge or consent&#8230; [he may] develop serious and sometimes irreversible physical and psychiatric disorders, up to and including schizophrenia, self-mutilation, and suicide.&#8221;</p>
<p>The goal of all coercive persuasion programs is to produce target compliance and control of the target&#8217;s resources by holding the target at a point of maximum psychological stress, without inducing psychosis. Unfortunately, the second generation coercive programs have increased the chance of error because their targets tend to be less well monitored, and the advanced techniques used to induce stress are more powerful and less predictable in their effects upon individuals.</p>
<p>In coercive persuasion programs, the main attack is done through frequent and intense attempts to cause a person to reevaluate the most central aspects of their experience of self and their prior conduct in NEGATIVE ways. Efforts are designed to destabilize and undermine the subject&#8217;s basic consciousness, reality awareness, world view, emotional control, and defense mechanisms. These tactics are engineered to induce the individual to reinterpret his or her life history and to adopt a new (often irrational) version of causality.</p>
<p>On Scientology&#8217;s secret initiations, the individual is told (while under the suggestibility of hypnotic trance and stress) that he or she is really not one individual but a composite of hundreds, possibly thousands, or even tens of thousands of alien beings (called &#8220;body thetans&#8221; or &#8220;BTs.&#8221;) These beings are trapped in his or her body as the result of a galactic war that occurred 76 million years ago (OT 3, and OT 5.) Individuals subjected to these initiation techniques are told (while vulnerable) that these alien beings are fighting for control of the individual&#8217;s body and identity, that these alien beings can make them act insane or become terminally ill, and that only Scientology has the technology to safely &#8220;remove&#8221; these alien beings from their bodies.</p>
<p>Members spend sometimes hundreds of hours of exposure to these secret levels, talking to their various body parts, trying to get these alien beings out of their bodies. They are repeatedly told that they could go insane and die if they do anything procedurally wrong while trying to remove these other beings.</p>
<p>In these secret initiation levels, to more effectively attack the person&#8217;s core concepts of self, Hubbard&#8217;s methods trick the person in trance into believing he is not who he always thought he was. To fragment the individual&#8217;s personality and integrity on order to facilitate better initiate control, Hubbard induces a hypnotic state of multiple personality similar to an artificial schizophrenia. Many observers report Scientologists switching &#8220;personalities&#8221; dramatically and abruptly.</p>
<p>It is no wonder people could become psychotic or suicidal when tricked into deeply believing and acting upon this alien being story when their suggestibility is at its highest and their defenses at their lowest.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-9051&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-9051&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ozsoapbox&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: Death seems to follow this organisation around a lot.
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No kidding! 

In $cientology, death is considered nothing more than &quot;dropping the body&quot; then picking up a new one. 
 
With this mindeset, what would stop a troubled individual from considering suicide if they think it really is that easy to start over in hopes of a better life the next time around?
For that matter, what&#039;s to stop a disturbed individual from taking a life?

Shawn was not a $cientologist, but a very vocal critic of the cult.  He had even been physically attacked on a few occasions by $cientologists Ron Savelo &amp; Michael Fitzgerald.

I personally feel that his method of &quot;suicide&quot; was a bit suspicious.  It reminded me of the &quot;suicide&quot; of Quentin Hubbard (L. Ron Hubbard&#039;s homosexual son).

The rabbit hole goes deeper still, Oz.</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-9051" rel="nofollow">ozsoapbox</a></strong>: Death seems to follow this organisation around a lot.
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<p>No kidding! </p>
<p>In $cientology, death is considered nothing more than &#8220;dropping the body&#8221; then picking up a new one. </p>
<p>With this mindeset, what would stop a troubled individual from considering suicide if they think it really is that easy to start over in hopes of a better life the next time around?<br />
For that matter, what&#8217;s to stop a disturbed individual from taking a life?</p>
<p>Shawn was not a $cientologist, but a very vocal critic of the cult.  He had even been physically attacked on a few occasions by $cientologists Ron Savelo &amp; Michael Fitzgerald.</p>
<p>I personally feel that his method of &#8220;suicide&#8221; was a bit suspicious.  It reminded me of the &#8220;suicide&#8221; of Quentin Hubbard (L. Ron Hubbard&#8217;s homosexual son).</p>
<p>The rabbit hole goes deeper still, Oz.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary McConnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary McConnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oz, I think you are headed in the right direction here. Good job on investigating this. Keep up the good work.

ps: Yes, Shawn died. Very sad. Scientology does everything it can to hide it&#039;s crimes, including the inducement to suicide and death itself. http://www.whyaretheydead.info/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oz, I think you are headed in the right direction here. Good job on investigating this. Keep up the good work.</p>
<p>ps: Yes, Shawn died. Very sad. Scientology does everything it can to hide it&#8217;s crimes, including the inducement to suicide and death itself. <a href="http://www.whyaretheydead.info/" rel="nofollow">http://www.whyaretheydead.info/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Vir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The relevant portions of the audit file may even have been shredded and replaced by falsified pages by now. Former high level Scientologists have admitted to destroying evidence in the Lisa McPherson case ( &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tampabay.com/news/article1012234.ece&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Death in slow motion: Part 2 of 3 in a special report on the Church of Scientology - St. Petersburg Times&lt;/a&gt; ); also lawyer Kendrick Moxon, who was named by the FBI as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Operation Snow White case for supplying fake evidence, still works for Scientology. It&#039;s just the same old tricks of evidence destruction and perjury. 

There is a chance that some evidence still exists though, but you&#039;d need to do a surprise raid with the cooperation of US law enforcement on just a few hours notice, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The relevant portions of the audit file may even have been shredded and replaced by falsified pages by now. Former high level Scientologists have admitted to destroying evidence in the Lisa McPherson case ( <a href="http://www.tampabay.com/news/article1012234.ece" rel="nofollow">Death in slow motion: Part 2 of 3 in a special report on the Church of Scientology &#8211; St. Petersburg Times</a> ); also lawyer Kendrick Moxon, who was named by the FBI as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Operation Snow White case for supplying fake evidence, still works for Scientology. It&#8217;s just the same old tricks of evidence destruction and perjury. </p>
<p>There is a chance that some evidence still exists though, but you&#8217;d need to do a surprise raid with the cooperation of US law enforcement on just a few hours notice, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>R. Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See the similarities:

Richard Collins, committed suicide after what appears as Scientology harassment (even after his death..):
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=599737451195192173#14m23s

Patrice Vic, committed suicide after Scientology harassment (at least there were convictions in this case):
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=599737451195192173#18m36s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See the similarities:</p>
<p>Richard Collins, committed suicide after what appears as Scientology harassment (even after his death..):<br />
<a href="http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=599737451195192173#14m23s" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=599737451195192173#14m23s</a></p>
<p>Patrice Vic, committed suicide after Scientology harassment (at least there were convictions in this case):<br />
<a href="http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=599737451195192173#18m36s" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=599737451195192173#18m36s</a></p>
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		<title>By: ozsoapbox</title>
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		<dc:creator>ozsoapbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus christ I didn&#039;t know he&#039;d committed suicide. Death seems to follow this organisation around a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus christ I didn&#8217;t know he&#8217;d committed suicide. Death seems to follow this organisation around a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shawn Lonsdale was a brave man, publicly criticizing Scientology daily, without a mask. May he rest in peace.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawn_Lonsdale

Too much sorrow has been wrought by this organization; it is time to say &quot;enough.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shawn Lonsdale was a brave man, publicly criticizing Scientology daily, without a mask. May he rest in peace.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawn_Lonsdale" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawn_Lonsdale</a></p>
<p>Too much sorrow has been wrought by this organization; it is time to say &#8220;enough.&#8221;</p>
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