Taiwan’s Lobby Hip Hop Club in Taichung is racist
After watching some of the various YouTube videos and reading some promising reviews out there for Lobby Hip Hop club I decided it’d be my next night out in Taichung.
I’d previously hit up Pig Pen and intended to eventually hit up and write about all three pub/clubs in the immediate area, Pig Pen, Lion King and Lobby.
Well that was the plan, until I hit the brick wall of racist management at Lobby.
My first rejection from Lobby didn’t trigger any suspicions. I was in a group of three guys and even back home, without a female in the group, it wasn’t uncommon to get knocked back entry into places.
The reason we were given was that we didn’t have a reservation. I struggled a bit with the English Chinese language barrier but accepted it. I knew that particular weekend was the Taiwanese equivalent of Valentines day so it was plausible Lobby were hosting some kind of reservation only event.
We moved on that night and wound up at Xaga who were more then happy to have us. No problems.
A few weeks later I tried again, this time on my own. There wasn’t a line the first time I tried to get in with a group but this time it was quite long. Thankfully they kept it moving and after about a half hour wait I was near the front.
I was hoping I’d be able to ask someone in the line if it was a reservation night or if reservations were the norm at Lobby but the people infront and behind me either didn’t speak English or were too shy. Instead I paid particular attention to what was going on at the door.
Some groups of guys had to wait a bit till others left and girls were flagged in. Nothing unusual here. I noticed there wasn’t any kind of reservation list anywhere in sight, the routine ID check seemed to be the only qualification for entry.
As I got closer I noticed there was a giant entry requirement board out the front too. Going through the list (standard stuff, no sandals, no betel nut, no crappy clothes etc.) I was confident I’d have no problems.
The guys infront of me were waved through and I got out my ARC (identity card) and gave a ‘nihao’ to the door staff. The guy didn’t even look at it and instead said something to me in Chinese. After getting him to repeat it three times I said in Chinese I didn’t understand, then the other guy said ‘reservation only tonight. Solly.’
‘but you don’t even know who I am, how do you know I don’t have a reservation?’
‘solly reservation only.’
‘Alright look, I’ve tried to get in here twice now. I don’t speak much Chinese so how exactly do I make a reservation? Is there a website, over the phone or what?’
‘Solly only reservation.’
I gave up at that point. I wasn’t there to make a scene or cause problems, I just wanted somewhere to go relax, have a drink, dance and meet people and hopefully get an article out of it.
This time I walked away quite suspicious. I don’t look like some of the poor dropkick stereotypical teacher’s I’ve seen hanging around Taipei, I don’t rock up to places plastered and I was polite the entire time I was in the queue.
Later that night my suspicions were confirmed by a random guy I was talking to in another bar.
‘Yeah, you’re not going to get into Lobby. They don’t let foreigners in. If you’re with a Taiwanese you might get in but probably not.”
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I know venues are able to knock people back at their discretion but coming from Australia and never having had issues getting into anywhere, it was quite a shock to hear the open racism out loud.
These are the same guys who cried bloody murder when Pauline Hanson told them to go home. Yet here we are in 2010 and I can’t get into a club becuase I don’t look Asian.
I’ve been in Taiwan a while now and can honestly say that apart from the random stares and whispering I haven’t experienced any direct racism. The venues I’ve been to have been quite welcoming and the people inside (both male and female) friendly and willing to have a chat with a random non-Taiwanese guy.
When I asked the guy why they had this policy (he’d been in Taiwan for seven years) he told me it was because they didn’t want any trouble with foreigners and locals fighting over girls.
Right, like because I’m sure two Taiwanese guys fighting over a girl has never happened before. Honestly how stupid to blanket anyone who doesn’t look Asian as just wanting to go in there and fight over girls.
What the hell are security doing that they even let fights break out. Back home if an argument breaks out and looks dangerous security are usually on it like a donut.
My racist experience at Lobby kind of turned me off going out in Taichung a bit. I will head back there eventually though and continue to write about the various night spots.
Surprisingly none of the information on the internet mentions anything about foreigners not being allowed into Lobby. I don’t know if it’s because it’s all outdated or because nobody is writing about this sort of stuff. For someone like me who uses the net a lot to research what I’m doing in Taiwan it’d be nice to have some warning beforehand of these kinds of things, rather then reading great welcoming reviews and then rocking up only to be racially discriminated against.
I know Lion King, Lobby and Pig Pen are probably more Taiwanese then foreigner orientated but I can honestly say I enjoy myself more in these kind of places. You get to see how the Taiwanese themselves have a bit of a party rather then watching a bunch of Taiwanese try to imitate how they think Americans party in some of the more foreigner orientated clubs.
In Taipei it’s unavoidable as most places are going to have a healthy dose of foreigners in them.Taichung’s appeal is that it’s nice to have a night out in to get away from running into foreigners in bars all the time.
Next on the list is Lion King, hopefully they don’t also have an equally stupid racist ‘no foreigners’ policy.
Lobby Hip Hop club photo by justastranger
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May 10th, 2010 at 7:24 pm James(Quote)
…and you don’t think it’s racist to say “Taiwan is racist” based on your experience at a nightclub? A club or two doesnt make Taiwan. Shithouse generalisation in the title cobber.
May 10th, 2010 at 9:12 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
I never said taiwan was racist, I said Lobby Hip Hop Club is racist.
May 11th, 2010 at 1:02 am James(Quote)
lol time for me to head off to the optometrist & quit drinking. I misread and misinterpreted it.
May 11th, 2010 at 3:42 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
Yeah the comma does look a bit misleading. Taichung is a city in Taiwan though so having a comma there is gramatically correct (I think)
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Ah well hopefully people read the article itself and not just the headline hey!
May 13th, 2010 at 1:01 am Smithee(Quote)
Interesting. I’m really enjoying your adventures. Maybe one day you might consider posting a pic of yourself so we can get a little more perspective…
May 13th, 2010 at 7:32 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Glad you’re enjoying the ride
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Probably won’t be publishing any HQ portrait photos anytime soon but there’s a few Russian news youtube clips floating around that show me in the early hours of the morning doing a short report.
June 12th, 2010 at 5:56 pm Jet(Quote)
I usually read stuff and never reply. I’m on the neutral side here. No offense, but truth is most foreigners in Taiwan. (Not saying all) are very rude and really pisses the locals off. If you have to point a finger. Point it to most foreigners in Taiwan that pushed locals to have that sort of stereotype of foreigners in Taiwan.
Number two. Locals won’t fight over girls most of the time. They do, but being locals, they know the limits to their actions. Being in the same gang etc etc… It’s for your own safety actually. Cause people would really gang up on a foreigner.
Sorry to burst your bubble. Just speaking my mind. Hope you don’t hold this against me
Cheers,
Jet
June 13th, 2010 at 3:03 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Dude it pisses me off more then the locals. I was at a bar a few weekends back and had to calm some American down who was cracking the shits it was taking forever to get served.
If some guy was yelling and carrying on would you go and serve him?
Americans tend to be the biggest offenders of ‘superiority complex’ syndrome over here. Not withstanding I’ve had my fair share of ‘oh, it’s like that over here?’ moments but I try to remain tolerant and respectful of the Taiwanese culture.
Oh cmon, it’s a hip hop bar. Half of the people in Lobby are just Taiwanese students who live at home with their parents. I’ve never personally fought over a girl and personally don’t see the need to?
I guess that could be symptomatic of girls back home actually having an active role in deciding who does and doesn’t talk to them though. Still, I’d like to think if I was with a girl I wouldn’t have to worry about her running off with the first dropkick that struck up a conversation with her, let alone in a bar.
No offense taken. I just kinda wish that along with an ARC and work permit there was perhaps a further test the government could do to certify that you weren’t a dick. Issuing a card stating this in Chinese we could show people would be great.
…yeah yeah I know keep dreaming.
June 18th, 2010 at 12:32 am planar(Quote)
Hi OzSoapbox,
As a Taiwanese living in Melbourne, I felt quite embarrassed about what you’d gone through over there. I think perhaps you could actually make a complain via the hotline for foreigners? Dial number 1955 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
I personally am from Taipei, and I have never heard any occasions of foreigner(s) being blocked from entry into any clubs or bars. Perhaps Lobby Hip Hop Club is choosing to walk the “sensitive line” by virtually getting rid of all potential trouble makers (no matter how lowwww the potential is)? Being in Taichung, you should realize that that city is infamous for “accidents” that had happened in its bars and clubs…. Now as you have read from the news, a gangster has been gunned down in the presence of some cops.. I think the anti-crime atmosphere in Taichung will only be getting heavier and heavier, and bars & clubs will only keep their door tighter and tighter..
For the sake of the comparison, could you please go to the “golden leopard”? You know the one that I am talking about, see whether you are allowed to go in by yourself, and please remember to bring a lots of 1000 notes!
June 19th, 2010 at 3:06 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Gday planar
As a Taiwanese living in Melbourne, I felt quite embarrassed about what you’d gone through over there.
No need to feel embarassed mate, it’s not the Taiwanese population’s fault one venue in Taiwan is openly racist. For the most part living is here is great, you’ve really got a beautiful country.
Not having the Chinese level for it yet I find it kind of hard to keep up to date with news on the island itself. The English news sources tend to be a bit uninspiring and boring to read.
I had no idea about the gunning down, sounds interesting!
I would have thought the opposite? If police were cracking down on crime wouldn’t that make these places safer? I know most of them are run by gangsters and what not but still…
No promises as to when but I’ll add it to my list of places to check out. Currently I’m a bit rushed off my feet. The photos and notes of where I’ve been and what I’ve done keep rolling in though. Just need to find the time to write about it all!
August 20th, 2010 at 6:30 am Achilles Yeh(Quote)
Hi there
Guess what? Same thing happened to me and my friends tonight at the club lobby. This manager dude with pony tail told us exactly the same thing.
I am by birth Taiwanese and I speak fluent mandarin, taiwanese, dutch and english. I got some dutch friends over in Taichung and plan a good night out, but got turned down by the door by this pony tail dude. He told me reservation only at first, then told me to make a reservation before hand, then he said to me students only. By respect, I did not show my student ID, and my official card from my university, and don’t want to make a scene, so we just politely walked away as we sense there is a degree of hostility in the air.
I am 27, with a MA in political theory from the oldest university in the Netherlands. My friends are senior researchers that got invited to this country to do some social science research, age 25 and 23. Honestly, I think this is what this country is missing. That is, a better understanding of a culture that is somehow not many people really pay attention to, yet, it just kind of evolve without a perspective of how to accept a wider world out there.
To be exact, I think the social aspect of identity politics is missing in this country. People in my age are so busy in make a living, living in the life of modern aspiration by commodification, the materialization of the soul. And by a degree of democracy, that everyone is equal by law and are capable of making money, but not so many people knows how to spend money wisely, that is, a proper understanding of one’s own purpose, in contributing to a better society, and to be content to one’s life by appreciating one’s own cultural surrounding.
We have many social ills that is facing this society today, such as suicides and domestic violence and acts of violence, acts of human depravity that consists of unspeakable truths. I am a patriot at heart that tries to make this country better, and by tonight’s experience and what I have read so far at this site, I feel truly disappointed. I wish people in this country have a better life, a life of knowing where one’s own standing, internationally and nationally, and have a better perspective of the world we are living in, and not a Republic that had been demeaned by its own history. Identity politics is vital at the heart of all political life, that without identity, there is no self-respect, and vice versa, signs of xenophobic attitudes are a clear indicator of this phenomenon.
Recently I have being in touch with the Mayor of this city, in advising him in how to deal with the organized crime in this city. and I think I will write him personally again a letter of complaint about this specific club that is hostile towards foreigners. It is vital to act before it is too late, as there is a philosophical saying, that there are no absolute evil in this world, its just that good people don’t do anything when bad things happen. I wish people in this city can take a stand on their own, to act before get reacted upon.
Achilles Yeh
August 21st, 2010 at 9:03 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
It’s disheartening isn’t it? It’s like you just hit a brick wall of ‘no you can’t come in’ and it’s extremely frustrating.
Thanks for sharing your opinion on the matter, I agree it’s very xenophobic here in Taiwan at times and the country media wise is very isolated. This contributes to people here not really knowing or caring what’s going on in the greater world as they go about their day to day lives.
The level of knowledge students have about the world they live in is quite low, even at an older highschool level! The news seems to want to dedicate 20 mins of playing the latest Youtube clips of random things rather then report any actual news.
And when they do report news it’s always something mundane. The other day I saw a story about a scooter rider dropping a bag and then a car driving by and the owner picking it up. They had CCTV footage of it and the report went on for like 5-6 minutes. No shit that was the lead story, ‘someone drops bag in Taiwan!’
August 22nd, 2010 at 2:27 pm J.(Quote)
Place a comma after the word Taiwan and use “the” at the start and it will read clearer: The Lobby Hip Hop Club in Taichung, Taiwan, is racist
August 22nd, 2010 at 3:19 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Thanks for the suggestion J, I’m modified the heading somewhat so it should hopefully read clearer.
September 10th, 2010 at 10:58 pm Jason Kalai(Quote)
Hi there,
I’m from singapore indian but i do speak mandarin but they reject me as well. In order to get it, they told me that i need to get reservation via web site or phone. I was damn pissed & just hop to lion bar instead of lobby.
September 11th, 2010 at 10:18 pm planar(Quote)
Well, three independent attempts and the subsequent rejections by them can not be counted as “incidental” anymore can they?
Now it is the election time in Taichung, so if you write some serious letters to the mayor, you should get some speedy response from the government.
I just went to their website http://www.lobby.com.tw and looked at the messages left on their billboard. Apparently, it is damn difficult to make a booking over there, doesn’t matter who you are. One of the response by the PR stuff recommended at least a week beforehand.
Also, yes, they DO choose who can go in and who can’t, and according to those messages, if your dressing standard or your look is not up to their standard, then you are out of the door.
September 12th, 2010 at 5:26 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
@planar
Does the government actually have any power to do anything about racist buisinesses though? From what I’ve heard one of the great things about doing business in Taiwan is the lack of governmental interference.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the government found it highly amusing someone wrote to them complaining about being refused entry to a nightclub.
I can’t read Chinese and yeah, I couldn’t even see a booking area. Honestly I reckon I could make a booking, rock up with 10 Taiwanese girls and still be denied entry because they can’t get over their racism.
This I’ve got no problems with, I get a little irked seeing the majority of teachers in Taiwan running around looking like hobos. Gives the rest of us a bad image!
September 15th, 2010 at 9:22 pm Max(Quote)
I visited lobby together with 4 other European guys (No Taiwanese in this group, we all don’t speak any word chinese or taiwanese) at the begin of August (Saturday). We had no problems at the entry, paid 400 NT$ and had a great night with “All u can drink”.
The girls were very handsome (nobody of our group left the lobby without a taiwanese girl
), the boys were also very friendly and organized us all the time new drinks from the bar, because we lost all the time our cups
One of us was even invented to the vip lounge, so i can not say anythink about racism in the lobby club (like in whole taiwan)!
September 17th, 2010 at 3:16 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
Hmm, a bunch of European guys, handsome girls and guys buying guys drinks… sure it wasn’t the annual Lobby gay night?
Just kidding
, seems to be a bit random then if you guys got in but by and large by my own experience and from what others have said they do seem to knock back non-Taiwanese. Maybe it was just an extremely quiet night or something who knows.
Oh there’s definitely racism in Taiwan… I wasn’t in the mood for it and had some retard kid today in 7-11 start going on about WAI GOREN!!! in a ‘HOLY SHIT COME LOOK AT THIS!’ squealy voice.
I don’t know enough Chinese to fire back at people ‘the fuck are your manners?!’ yet but I did my best loud as hell ‘Wai goren? WHERE?!!?!’ in English and that shut him up. Little shit scampered out of the store.
September 17th, 2010 at 5:20 pm planar(Quote)
Excuse me, but a KID speaking loudly to others about a foreigner in a 7-11 is racism? The key here is “kid”.
September 21st, 2010 at 2:11 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Kid maybe but the entire country does it. Usually I’ve got my tolerance barriers up and just ignore it (if I lived in the west I’d be no doubt cashing in on racial vilification claims), but just wasn’t feeling in the mood for it that day.
I know it might not be culturally rude to point at someone and exclaim loudly they don’t belong but it’s not something I’m ever going to get used to or not find rude, whether it be a kid, a grandpa, adult or teenager.
One day I’ll be able to fire back in Chinese… till then
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November 1st, 2010 at 3:23 am Philip(Quote)
I’ve lived in Taiwan for a number of years and I’ve met my share of impolite arseholes, mostly Americans.
It is NOT racist if they don’t want you in their pub, it is a matter of freedom of association. Accept it and go to places where you know you’ll be accepted, don’t believe your opinion and definition of racism is the correct one – the truth lies in the mind of the beholder (forgive the slight twist).
I’ve always been treated with courtesy by Taiwanese. This is NOT your country, it’s your responsibility to adjust to local conditions and not vice versa.
November 1st, 2010 at 4:01 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
Freedom of association based of personal merit is fine. Freedom of association because of race is racism, plain and simple.
If Lobby Hip Hop Club choose to exclude the rest of the world because they aren’t Taiwanese/Chinese, then that’s racism. Accepting it is accepting being racially discriminated against.
Totally agreed and as a writer I more aware of this then anyone. However being excluded on the presumption of how anyone who isn’t Taiwanese is racism. Just because these might be ‘local conditions‘ doesn’t make them any less racist.
The assumption by Lobby that I am an ‘impolite arsehole‘ or whatever the reasons they choose to exclude non-Taiwanese for is racist in itself, regardless of the reason.
December 29th, 2010 at 1:25 am Brian(Quote)
I stumbled on this article while searching for “Freedom Pub” in taichung, and I have to say, racism in Taiwan is much worse for non-whites.
I am a Filipino, but was brought up in an American school and can speak English without an accent, as can a lot of others from my country; I am currently enrolled in one of Taichung’s universities as a language student.
I usually go out with my Latino classmates, who also speak English. Not a few times have we been told (in both Chinese and English): “How can you speak English at all? You’re not white!” I was even told that my English cannot possibly better than a white friend’s (a German who can hardly speak English). Shall it make me racist, to say that the Taiwanese don’t seem to have an idea of other countries’ cultures?
One of the most idiotic moments I’ve had was when a restaurant manager came up to our table and gave our white American friend a free dessert. We asked him why. His reason? “Sorry, this is only for foreigners.”
When we (South-East Asians and a Latino) corrected him, all he could say was “Sorry, only for foreigners, he’s American and you’re not.” The logic baffles me to this day.
December 29th, 2010 at 6:28 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Hey there, thanks for sharing your experience. When you say you don’t speak with an accent is that a Filipino accent or an American accent you don’t speak with?
A lot of the Filipinos here tend to be maids or work in the factories so I imagine that plays into the ‘class’ system where many Taiwanese simply refuse to believe you’re properly educated.
Although geography is taught here in school, in general I’ve found the level of global awareness of Taiwanese people is pretty low. They simply have little to no interest in world affairs beyond what impacts Taiwan, China and Japan globally. Some do but by and large they don’t care.
At the bottom of the social chain here seems to be black people. I can only imagine the problems they face in their day to day lives. Why you’d persist here under such social discrimination is beyond me.
Hmm, why isn’t this happening to me. Time to start demanding free dessert everywhere I go methinks lol!
December 30th, 2010 at 7:21 pm Brian(Quote)
I meant I don’t speak with a Filipino accent. Ironically, Filipinos have a better grasp of English than the Taiwanese (and other South East Asians, which makes them ideal overseas workers). Filipinos do have a thick accent, but they can understand English–and adapt to Western customs, I’d say–easily.
Even the Japanese and Koreans have better knowledge/respect for Filipinos, as many of them go to the Philippines to study English as a cheap alternative to the US, Canada or England.
As for your question, why do I persist–my parents are both Philippine-born Chinese, and they want me to learn their language. As an obedient Asian child (LOL), I had to agree–plus, knowing Chinese is a skill I want to acquire.
And yes, my African friends are sometimes mocked by the locals for being “hei” (black). My ethnically Filipino friends (friends who don’t have Chinese ancestry) have also had it worse.
February 24th, 2011 at 2:17 pm Billy Crocker(Quote)
Now you know how it feels when Asians in Australia get rejected from certain establishments.
I was in Australia for over 25 years and I have also experienced similiar experiences. Its the way of the world, this happens anywhere in the world.
Stop crying like a baby and grow up.
February 26th, 2011 at 2:50 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
So because Asians got rejected from some clubs in Australia, which may or may not have been race related (they like to go around in huge groups in Oz), that makes it ok?
Yeah that’s great thinking.
Lobby are running a stupid little xenophobic club barring people just because they don’t look Asian – and I’m the one that needs to grow up.
Riiiiiiiiiiight.
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:27 pm Big AL(Quote)
My friend…a white guy…actually got into the club because he was with his Taiwanese girlfriend. They were dancing, having a good time and what not, when all of a sudden he was dragged outside and beated up by three security and by about 15 wanna be gangsters.
reason for the beatdown. …..He was white.
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:56 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Wow, kinda makes me glad I didn’t attempt to get in there with the girlfriend myself.
What happens after something like that, do you go to the police station, report it? Or just cop it on the chin and rock up to the emergency ward?
May 10th, 2011 at 5:46 pm Dave S(Quote)
Funny, its a Hip Hop club, but isn’t Hip Hop from the States? You would think they would support Taiwanese culture and listen to “bus” music.
Whites no way, however urban looking blacks should be a shoe in!
May 11th, 2011 at 12:51 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
A lot of American culture is adopted in Taiwan. Not too hard to find Taiwanese guys wearing dorky baggy jeans and stupid flat brimmed baseball caps running around like they’re hard gangsters.
Lol, Taiwan’s more xenophobic towards black people than they are whites… I doubt hip hop is going to change that any time soon!
June 21st, 2011 at 3:35 pm ran the man(Quote)
let’s cut the PC crap. taiwan is racist. they’re scared shitless some foriegner will take their women. and my answer to them “i’d have to be pretty lame not to be able to take a girl from you.”
Taiwan guys are either total jerks or money making wimps. i seldom see any middle ground in that. if they were men, they wouldn’t always fight 4 on 1. and that’s probably what the OP will get in Lobby Club if SHTF. not worth it.
July 9th, 2011 at 2:50 am Scott(Quote)
I actually made a facebook group with almost the same title as this article. I made it about a year ago. Too bad you didn’t see it.
They have a new club in a new location, but I’m not not gonna even try to go, because they don’t deserve my money or time.
July 10th, 2011 at 11:29 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
Cheers Scott, glad I’m not the only one that decided to do something about Lobby’s blatant racism. As a club they’re not doing much to promote Taichung’s night life and I’m surprised they feature on several Taichung night life directories considering they don’t let foreigners in.
Not a big fan of the Facebook so that’s probably why I didn’t see it. What’s the name of their new venue? Wonder if they’ve got the same racist policies there too.
July 13th, 2011 at 4:20 am Scott(Quote)
I think it’s still called Lobby. I don’t care to check anything else about it. Taichung nightlife has been completely shot to shit now anyway.
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:23 pm El Pirocon(Quote)
The place is still called Lobby and foreigners are still denied access unless you are rolling with an entourage of asian friends… it´s retarded
September 18th, 2011 at 5:05 am James(Quote)
I have lived in Taiwan for over six years. My wife of one year keeps saying she wants to go to the lobby with me, so I looked it up quick on the internet. I read the above article and the comments following. Wow, WTF talk about racism…
I am an American. How can so many guys say so much bad stuff about Americans. I have met loud, rude, racist, obnoxious, and self loving fu**s from almost every country. I will keep to myself who I think the winners are but must say there is good and bad every where in the world.
Would it be safe to say that most foreigners that have traveled here is for some sort of reason they aren’t or can’t get excepted in their own country? Please don’t judge a person by where they are from no matter where you are or where you go.
September 18th, 2011 at 1:30 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
If you’re referring to Americans… ‘American’ isn’t a race, it’s a nationality.
I think it’s proportional to how many of them are here. Of course other nationalities have their fair share of idiots here too but by and large the bulk of which I run into are American. This is especially true of Taiwan’s nightlife where alcohol seems to really fuel the superiority complex and general obnoxiousness so many of you lot have ingrained into you.
I can’t speak for everyone but in my case no. I left a decent enough job to come here and focus on what I love doing, writing.
That said, sure, there are a lot of socially disfunctional losers who come to Taiwan because they failed back home but what that has to do with Lobby or criticising Americans I have no idea.
September 22nd, 2011 at 4:59 am James(Quote)
Writer Oz, I never said Americans are a race. In reference to the posted writings about hating on foreigners, I pointed out the fact that many people were hating mostly on Americans.
I have been here six years and don’t go out drinking to the clubs, bars ect., but I have meet very few Americans in my time here. So, to your reference on the how many of them there are- are you referring to here in Taiwan or back in their own country?
I think the guys that go out to get drunk, use a new girl for the night or go out to just cause trouble falls into the obnoxious douche bag category. Which my point was guys from all countries fall into that category, why single out Americans? Are you sure they aren’t Canadians?
Why come to Taiwan to write? You could go to Yarra Valley or your living room to do that if you were a real author. Do you write locally here in Taiwan or just in this blog? Moving to a place were the majority of people can’t read your language to write stuff is a bit strange to me? Does having a small audience play you off as a better writer?
Just fucking with ya man, I am a nice guy and honestly don’t go out.
I have however gone to Chinese class the whole time I have been here and met some super duper odd balls and the douchyist ones I sadly have to say were Americans.
But, as you stated its a big country with lots of people. I was making a side point on maybe why the guys you run into are so obnoxious…they couldn’t make it their own country. So they traveled here and not just in the present time but over the past several decades giving foreigners a bad name.
I know guys from every country that go out get pissed make an ass out of them selves, start fights or use girls like no tomorrow. After a bit of time I think the locals get burnt enough to realize most foreigners are shit. I realize it. I have seen it enough, but not just from Americans…from the male race in general.
Too many alfa dogs out there, I am not one. I would rather light one up and watch the grass grow than go to the lobby or start shit with anyone. It’s a small world and getting smaller everyday. Almost 4:20 by your clock, got to go. Peace
September 22nd, 2011 at 10:48 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
So what was the ‘WTF talk about racism…’ comment directed at then? Or were you referring to Lobby?
Yeah well, if you don’t go out like you said and socialise, you’re probably not meeting anyone much.
Apology accepted.
Of course I’m not saying Americans are the only ones being idiots out there, they just seem to be wildly over represented in the category.
To uh, write about Taiwan. (duh?)
I think your definition of author is rather narrow. Not every author writes fiction stories.
If I want to write about Taiwan where’s the best place to do it from?
No, I write for two blogs. The other covers the MLM industry.
Maybe if your a social xenophobe. Millions of people around the world do it each year, I don’t get what’s so strange about it.
It’s called putting yourself out there. You can spend your life hiding in your living room or you can go out and live it.
Last month 7.4 million people googled ‘Taiwan’, let alone all the long string keywords associated with the country and the additional thousands of people searching for that information.
I’d hardly call it a small audience. If anything there’s more expected of you as there’s so many topics and places to cover that haven’t been written about in English.
As you were.
September 26th, 2011 at 6:56 pm Ryan(Quote)
I’m American and I got in just fine. Had an amazing time, didn’t encounter an racism in there at all either.
September 26th, 2011 at 9:04 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Awesome.
Was it a quiet night? Did you go by yourself? Do you speak Chinese?
November 1st, 2011 at 12:32 am Diana(Quote)
My friend and I tried to get into Lobby this past Halloween weekend. We’re two American girls, we were dressed nicely, no boys were with us, and we waited in line yet after we were denied entry for no reason, we were approached by another bouncer who informed us that we can not come in without a Taiwanese person.
I tried having him explain way and said that if it’s a language barrier thing, we know a little Chinese..I even lied and said, “how do you know my mom isn’t Taiwanese..”
He just kept saying, Sorry, it’s our policy. Then, we told these two Asian girls what had happened and they were actually Russian, and they have been to the club before and haven’t had any issues or didn’t need to show any identification upon entry.
Racist? Yes. Completely agree! Other than this particular night, I haven’t had any issues with discrimination.
November 1st, 2011 at 12:36 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
Holy crap, they’re being racist towards western girls now too?
Just how low can Lobby sink?!
January 3rd, 2012 at 4:05 am TaiwanTeacher(Quote)
Just want to bring this thread back to life. It’s interesting.
@Ozzie – Have you tried “The Show House” in Taichung?
They are foreigner friendly and the Russian dancers are hot and snuggly!
Some Taiwanese coworkers in Taichung suggested I go to the Golden Leopard, but I didn’t have an extra NT10K just lying around so as to join them…
IMHO: The rowdy Aussies and pompous Brits can surely be as obnoxious as many Americans (granted, the Aussies are not often as sleazy; they’re more like me: Just looking for a good time among happy people; and the Brits often have a thread of gentlemanly behavior to their character).
The worst of the bunch in Hualien are the druggie-hockey wanna-pick-a-fight Canadians hanging around here. Not only should some of them not be allowed into clubs, but also they should be deported.
One of them tossed a beer bottle at my car simply because I refused to play pool with him, another has just stolen a bushiban out from under an honorable South African family by going back on his word once the school was up and running. ASSHOLES!
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:10 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
Not personally, but I think you’re the third or fourth person to reccommend a visit to me now. The Show House’s reputation appears to be quite solid.
February 2nd, 2012 at 3:15 am James(Quote)
Fun little follow up for ya. I wrote months ago my wife wanted me to go to a club with her. I was her friends bday 1/25/2012 and we went out to eat and drink with a group of friends. After we were done wifey said she wanted to go dancing.
We didn’t go to lobby but a place called 18tc. They hassled us a little and told us to wait in the non existing line, then a few minutes later let two guys in without question. This pissed the Taiwanese guy I was with off and they started arguing.
I was trapped behind three bouncers and one kept not on purpose poking with with his flashlight that he was ready to club the guy I was with with. I grabbed the flashlight and handed to another guard.
At that point three guys grabbed me from the back and then all seven of them pushed me down to the ground and proceeded to kick me and beat me with their flashlights.
TW guy I was with jumped in his car and almost ran them over. We got in the car and circled around and about 12 police had arrived. The owner of the club walked out gave the police what looked like 20,000 then gave the TW. guy I was with 4000 because he lost his glassed, and didnt give me shit.
I told five different cops what happened and they all ignored me. The worst part of it is they also ripped off my gold chain that I got about 10 years ago. Was worth over $1,000 USD. Missed a week of work now and think the boss wants to fire me.
They also hit my wife a few times and she has a big bruise the takes up her whole arm. I really want some kind of revenge, but with dirty cops and gangsters running the show its hard to get any justice.
Everyone says go run and cry to the AIT, but I don’t know if I want to start any shit and let all those guys know who I am. Ya, lobby and club 18tc you might want to pass on.
February 2nd, 2012 at 5:00 pm TaiwanTeacher(Quote)
Sounds like the CCP-KMT Goons have taken hold in Taichung! Congrats on finding them. It seems to me that “improving Cross-strait Relations” has become a nifty way to permit the Taiwanese gangsters to beat the crap out of any friendly foreigner they see in Taiwan.
After all, who spends more money here now, the Mainlanders or the Americans they hate?
February 2nd, 2012 at 8:26 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
@James
That sounds a bit crazy, I think it went downhill from here:
I probably would have just grabbed my friend and walked away at that point. Seems more than one club in Taichung is openly racist and it’s just not worth the hassle.
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:46 pm Chubuobcat(Quote)
I have lived in Taichung for 6 years and in that I have visited a lot of the local clubs once or twice (I don’t make it a habit too expensive sometimes).
Lobby as far as I know has always been asshats about letting foreigners in, one time I was permitted in no problem, a couple months later I wanted to show a friend around and we rolled up to this place and was turned away because I was “too dark” and my friend was a foreigner.
I admit that I am not white as a shit or Taiwanese, but I am certainly not “too dark” I on a dark day look like more like a farmer who sat in the sun too long, and a good day look like I just came back from the beach.
As for the anti-American comments. Being American myself I feel a little burned here, I admit there are a ton of American Ass hats here that give us a bad name and they are the ones that everyone remembers more than the guys who are well behaved and what not.
I try to keep in touch with the foreigner community here as much as I can, because it can really help sometimes. So I can say confidently I have met more people from Canada who are by in large arse whole and Brits/Aussies/New Zealanders/Irish who when drunk are the ones that give whites in Taiwan a bad name, at least in Taichung.
I am not going to say that it is every single one out there because it would be the same as saying all of the Americans are ass hats because of one or two out of five are. I just don’t like all Americans getting a bad rap because of those dipshits that even in the States are extraordinary dipshits.
Sorry for the little rant there at the end, just had to stick up for my people there for a moment. Just the same as anyone else would I guess.
February 28th, 2012 at 2:28 am JImbo(Quote)
Is this problem isolated to Taichung? I’m thinking to move to Taiwan and I certainly don’t want to live in a place where foreign/western people are barred entry from certain establisments.
Would you say this goes on in Kaohsiung as well? Thanks in advance.
February 28th, 2012 at 3:56 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
There are probably places in Khaosiung where you wouldn’t be welcome but I can honestly say I’ve yet to find anywhere in Taiwan that’s as openly racist as Lobby.
That said I wouldn’t say that Lobby is a reflection of living in Taiwan – Lobby is the only place I’ve been refused entry.
February 28th, 2012 at 7:37 pm whatthehell(Quote)
Interesting read. Having been out a number of times in Taichung, I’ve never found the racism thing evident. Never had any problems getting in anywhere but never tried to get into the Lobby. Lion King was my pick, at 300NT all you can drink it was unpassable. I remember my mate drinking vodkas and told the bloke just to give him a glass of straight vodka, it was about 200mls of straight Absolut, can’t go wrong
Re Americans – I think Americans just have a bad name. I have come across many that are ok, the only incidents I have seen that I don’t like is coming from Canadians, but again I’ve met a lot of cool Canadians too. ~ Not all tarred with the same brush.
I also agree there are d!cks everywhere. I went back to Australia recently an was home in my country town. Went out for a few beers with a mate. There was this half filo kid dancing away and these local yobs were hassling them, I told them to give it up. A couple of hours later I was bashed. ~ I can add that there are a lot of mongrel Aussies just like any of our race.
Jimbo, I wouldn’t avoid Taichung just because of the Lobby. I had many of good nights out in Taichung and from what I hear 18 is going ok too. The only catch with Taichung is that English is a bit more rare (or at least they dont’ wanna use it) and the public transport is difficult (a scooter is a must).
February 28th, 2012 at 11:11 pm TaiwanTeacher(Quote)
Froget the scooter! When clubbing in any big Taiwan city, it’s always better to take a taxi. Most drivers won’t “abandon a customer” in a poor situation, instead they’ll seek out something more suitable for you. Just ask the driver to “inquire within” as to whether or not “foreigners are welcome this evening”.
In Taichung, I found this the ShowHouse to be a fairly decent, though rather expensive club for getting plastered and dancing with the sexy showgirls.
Try this hopping for a night:
9PM “Made in Spain” for dinner (delicious) and maybe a game of pool (private table),
11PM “ShowHouse” for some fun with the dancing ladies,
1AM “There Club” for getting mellowed a bit and tossing some darts,
then walk two doors down to
3AM “Bull Eyes Restaurant” for drinking until the wee hours.
Taxi to home.
February 29th, 2012 at 12:33 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Note that if your Chinese isn’t good enough to ask the venue staff this yourself, it’s probably also not going to be good enough to ask the taxi driver to check as well.
Also in my experience by the time you’ve approached the venue staff, the taxi you arrived in has long gone.
April 13th, 2012 at 2:51 am joe(Quote)
nah, they just don’t let people who look older or a bunch of guys in there. mainly to control guy girl ratio and the age group i guess. it’s a stupid way to do business imo but that’s how tc works.
since the older market are the ones with more money and more guys means they will spend more on buying girls’ drinks. so it’s really stupid, i’m taiwanese and i’ve rec’d the “solly reserves only” treatment ample times too… but if i’m with a couple girls, then it’s rarely a prob but overall tc club scene sucks anyways.
not as wild as the south and not as urban as the north. local pubs used to be the thing here but after that stupid fire, everything closed down…