The hypocrisy of Taiwanese girls and marriage
Marriage in Taiwan is like a coin.
On one of the many days I had to myself when I first arrived in Taiwan I was exploring my new home on foot. I was walking around Taichung and began to get a strong sense of deja vu.
I’d been walking for a few blocks or so and suddenly realised that every store I’d walked past over the last ten minutes or so had something to do with marriage. There must have been no less then twenty odd bridal shops all lined up one after another.
One on side of the coin you’re presented with this idea of marriage in Taiwan and the fact that it’s serious business.
Then there’s the other side…
The general consensus here from the girls I’ve talked to is that you want to get married before you’re thirty. During my first relationship with a Taiwanese girl it didn’t take too long before the topic of marriage came up. Always somewhat of a sticky point it was in hindsight amusing how our different attitudes clashed on the matter.
For me marriage was something you decided on after a you were absolutely sure they were the right one for you. This would probably take years to work out.
For her, marriage was a given. If I was with her for the long haul marriage was going to happen whether I wanted it to or not.
I’ve only met one girl who didn’t subscribe to this idea when the topic of marriage came up in discussion. She was already well into her thirties and not married though so I’m pretty sure she was the exception.
Marriage for the most part is a big deal in Taiwan. Couples go and get their wedding photos taken up to a year before they even get married. Soon to be wives spend hours trying to find the right quilt to bring to the marriage and how they want to redesign their husbands furniture. Meanwhile soon to be husbands are constantly worrying about whether or not they’re earning enough money to keep their wives happy.
Unlike the west where we’ve diluted gender specific roles in marriage, the concept is still very much alive and kicking in Taiwan.
About a week or so after arriving I met a girl at a bar and we hit it off, we caught a taxi back to my hotel and one thing lead to another. We spent most of the next day in bed and didn’t wake up until the afternoon.
During this time she shared with me parts of her life. She’d been seeing some guy from England for the past five months or so but he’d gone back home for the holidays. Feeling lonely and wanting to forget him she was happy she’d met me.
Normally this would be way to much information for me after a one night stand but to be honest I was just happy to be speaking fluent English with someone.
In a nutshell she’d spent every weekend together with the guy since they’d started seeing each other. He was gone for a month of holidays, was then due back for a few months for work before leaving Taiwan for good. She missed him a lot.
When we finally decided to get out of bed we remembered we had to go back to the bar and get her scooter. She’d tried to start it up the night before to take us home but had left the lights on so the battery was dead.
Neither of us knew anything much about scooters so it wasn’t until the next day after she’d called her sister that it was explained to us that all scooters have a kick start pedal in case the battery dies.
After we’d retrieved it we set off back to the hotel and the topic of this guy came up again. Not that she needed much convincing but I told her if this guy was only coming back for a few months then it’d probably be easier for her if she didn’t see him when he came back.
If she did get back with him for the few months he was here she the eventual break up was only going to be more painful. And besides, she’d already slept with me which was an pretty good indication she was ready to move on.
Although I got the sense she wasn’t entirely convinced, she did agree with the points I made. She continued;
“Oh and there’s one more thing about this guy: he’s married and has a son”.
I sat there on the back of her scooter and froze up a little. She’d found this out quite soon into the relationship but his wife was back home in England… so she figured it was ok.
I had huge problems with this. Although I don’t necessarily see the benefit in rushing to get married anytime soon, I do respect the commitment between two people that is made.
At this point I struggled with the idea that I was potentially ruining some guy’s master plan to entertain himself while he was in Taiwan. After rationalising to myself that I’d never meet the guy, I told her she shouldn’t be getting involved with married men.
Of course she already knew this and agreed.
I spent the next few weekends with this girl. She didn’t live in Taichung itself but travelled there every weekend to see her parents. I learnt a lot of Taichung from the back of her scooter over those weekends.
One Saturday she told me that she missed dancing so we decided we’d go back to the bar I met her at that night. We’d avoided it up till now because she had memories of the other guy there.
By this stage she was feeling a lot more comfortable with the idea of not seeing this guy when he got back so she thought it’d be ok.
The night went pretty smoothly. We danced, we drunk and I got to meet some of her friends.
I was at the bar ordering another drink when I heard a ‘hallo!’ off to the side of me. I turned and there was a short little Taiwanese girl standing there. Not being one to knock back a hello, let alone after a few beers I said hi back and we started talking.
About ten minutes later all hell broke loose.
I got a tap on my shoulder and when I turned around the girl I’d arrived with was standing there with some of her friends.
“Why are you talking to this girl!?’ she demanded.
“Uh what? We’re just talking it’s what you do in a bar.”
“Fine it’s ok. Are you going to take her back to your hotel room?”
“What? We were just talking, she approached me what am I supposed to do tell her to go away?”
The conversation continued in this manner with the end result leaving her storming out of the bar with some of her friends.
Outside the bar frantic conversation continued in Chinese between herself and her friends but I have no idea what was said. Finally she told me that she wanted to collect her things that we’d left at my hotel beforehand and go home.
After that night I never saw her again.
I know people sleeping around with married guys isn’t something that’s unique to Taiwan but it does kind of hit you at just how blatant it can be. There doesn’t seem to be any middle ground as far as marriage and Taiwanese girls go. Either it’s this massive deal to them or, so long as it’s not their own marriage or husband cheating on them, they simply don’t care.
Apparently it’s ok to sleep around with married guys, but god forbid you talk to some random girl in a bar.
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April 18th, 2010 at 11:03 pm Blue_Wolf(Quote)
Ahhh Asian girls, you gotta love ‘em. The attitudes and moral values toward marriage in asia are still vastly different to what we have in the west, and I think this is why asian girls are so lax and couldn’t give a shit when it comes to sleeping with married men.
In asia women still marry men for all sorts of questionable reasons long since outdated or frowned upon by the culture of the west, such as marrying purely for money and marrying men to easily migrate to the west. Given the widespread acceptence of such dubious marriages, the whole sacredness and respect for marriage we generally have in the west is completely non-existent there, and when marrying for money/greencards is OK, sleeping with married men is no big deal either.
In asia and other poor countries around the world it is still widely accepted and encouraged for women to marry purely for money or economic reasons (such as getting citizenship to the west), and marriage for love and sex are considered secondary, if necessary at all. I remember seeing an article a while ago about middle aged Japanese women who complained they had NEVER had sex with their (Japanese) husbands.
When sex and love can be non-issues when it comes to choosing who to marry, infidelity and what we would consider ‘cheating’ are irrelevant as it is seen a ‘normal’ avenue in which to pursue their sexual needs.
In the west by contrast, golddiggers and women who marry for money and citizenship are univerally despised by western culture. I don’t think any normal Australian family would encourage their members to marry for such dubious reasons. But in Asia it is considered perfectly normal and is actively encouraged so as to ‘provide a better life’ and to ‘look after the family’.
Conversely for the same reasons, it also explains why you found asian women who wanted to get married so quickly and so soon. Unlike western couples who can take years to get to know each other and fall in love and decide they really want to spend the rest of their lives together, it doesn’t take long for an asian woman whose primary goal is money and a greencard to discover the size and a mans bank account and his citizenship status and hence lock in the contract (marriage) as soon as possible.
Once they have the ‘good catch’ its best to haul it in as soon as possible before it escapes back into the ocean.
I would say the pervasiveness of this con-current strand of thought in the institution of asian marriage is the deciding factor as to why many asian women have no qualms with sleeping with married men and desperately want to get married so quickly once they have found their prize catch.
Of course there are still many asian women who marry for love and romance and hopefully the girls you met/meet will be one of them, but the parallel doctrine outlined above toward marriage which so many asian women choose to follow hence leads to the cultural traits you have witnessed with commonness not seen in the west.
April 19th, 2010 at 1:12 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
Wow thanks for the input Blue Wolf.
I’ve got no doubt these girls exist. The Taiwanese girl I was going out with back in Australia knew I wasn’t captain moneybags and probably never would be, yet she still wanted to eventually marry me. I had a massive wall against marriage but over time realised she was worth accepting marriage to be with.
Of course then that relationship didn’t work out and it was a huge blow internally on the idea of marriage itself. I think I pretty much went from slowly entertaining the marriage idea during the time I was with her to going back to not wanting to even consider it until I think I know someone inside out.
I know time and time again I’m going to clash with girls here over the marriage topic, especially if I get into anything long term. Unfortunately I don’t see any way around it.
April 19th, 2010 at 2:18 am Erica(Quote)
hi blue_wolf, why does that sentence sound racist to me huh? do you know asian very well? beside, most asian girls get involve with ‘weatern’ married men who live in asia for a short period of time. Do you know why? because those ‘weatern’ men ausually pproach the girls and by the time the girls find out it’s often too late.
August 30th, 2010 at 8:31 pm Ralb38(Quote)
Hi blue_wolf, the reverse can also be true though. I know of men who have married women to get citizenship to a Western country, whether it be a greencard or Oz or English citizenship. It’s not just women wanting out.
And really, do you blame them? If you see how bad life is in some of these Asian countries, u’d know that life anywhere else would be an improvement
September 30th, 2010 at 2:40 pm Dave(Quote)
Asian girls r racists! Marry for citizenship and money!! Terrible culture!!!
September 30th, 2010 at 5:23 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
I wouldn’t go so far as to label all of them as racist but like any country there’s that contingent that are just out for money and citizenship.
Thankfully, unless you’re one of those old boring engineer types who they gravitate to, the golddigger contingent in Taiwan seems to be quite small. Nothing like what I imagine Thailand or its neighbouring countries would be like.
November 27th, 2011 at 2:58 am Isabelle(Quote)
It was kind of interesting to see how people look at us.
First, we dont SLEEP with western men because we want a green card or something.Come on,u think that green card is so precious?I can paint my poker card green.
Second,we do NOT like to hook up with married men,and we don’t marry for citizenship and money.Our culture is so beautiful that u cant see it if u dont open ur heart.
God,where did u get those imformation from?Blue-Wolf?
I think girls tends to get marry sooner because they thought that guys won’t look at them when they get old and ugly
Do westrens really think that we would ruin our life for “a green card”?
November 27th, 2011 at 12:32 pm Malik(Quote)
Isabelle, if you are Taiwanese I think u are very very wrong here.
U talked about Taiwanese girls never hook up with married men. Hahaa…I guess u r not really Taiwanese. U are totally wrong.
As I respond to ur post now. I currently date, sleep, have a relationship with a Taiwanese lady. I am married and she is very much aware of it.
Secondly, most Taiwanese girls or ladies or whatever or whoever they are do sleep with western men be it white or black for fun and more importantly for the damn Green card and influence. Lest marry for love. Mark my words.
U are wrong on this too.
Perhaps, u need more observation and more detailed research!!
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:17 pm steve(Quote)
hey did this girl live in tainan … but her parents live in Taichung … because i met a girl who acts just like that … she said she was studying english there get back to me soon if you can
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:20 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
No, she didn’t.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:25 pm steve(Quote)
ah kk must just be asian women =)
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:27 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Run while you still can!
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:28 pm steve(Quote)
hey you couldnt give me any tips could you on how to keep myself out of trouble im going back on the 18th and so far this site has been a big help to me im going to visit a girl i met last time but she is taking me to her parents for chineese new year and i dont want to make a bad impression like most english do abroad
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:29 pm steve(Quote)
is it really that bad? xD
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:35 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
It is if your intentions and long-term (or even short-term) plans don’t align up, but that’s not a Taiwan specific thing the same applies anywhere.
As for CNY, whatever you do don’t bugger it up. I’ve heard way too many ‘oh I once brought a boyfriend home and he pissed off my dad so now I can’t bring anyone home’ stories here.
The usual:
1. If offered a drink don’t refuse as it’s impolite
2. don’t rock up empty handed, buy a box of fruit or something (and/or bottle of the dad’s favourite drink)
3. Don’t stuff yourself like a pig, you can eat a lot but not all at once (likewise don’t be picky and eat nothing)
4. try to engage the parents in conversation but not too much if their english is crap. Use your hands, be expressive, do whatever it takes to engage them on some level.
5. bring red envelops ($100) for any little brothers and sisters
6. don’t look bored, and offer to help cleanup at the end
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:38 pm steve(Quote)
ahh kk cheers man you have saved my life i have been looking all over the internet and was stuck till i found this site its been a huge help and a good way to see the real taiwan =)
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:40 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
No worries mate, glad you find the information helpful.