Taiwanese girls and crazy ex-boyfriends part 2
Foreword>: The following article is a continuation of ‘Taiwanese girls and crazy ex-boyfriends‘. You’ll probably want to read that to get the proper context of this article.
If you want to experience the worst of a culture, forget travelling off the beaten track, forget booking holidays to places you’ve never heard of and forget moving there and hoping a country’s real culture eventually exposes itself to you.
All these methods might work, but if you really want to get down to the nitty gritty of certain aspects of some cultures – just do what I did.
Start dating the locals.
I’d just finished work on Tuesday night when I decided to give the girlfriend’s phone a call again. Despite feeling kind of hopeless about it I’d been trying her number every 6 hours or so in the off chance I’d get through to her.
After three days of either being cut off or hearing ‘the number you have called is unavailable’ message, this time it rang through.
This gave me a little hope so I hit redial and patiently waited…
…this time she picked up the phone. It was the first time I’d heard her voice since Saturday night and I had a million questions, of which the most important ones were;
‘hey! are you alright?! where are you!’
‘i’m…ok. I’m on the MRT’
The MRT is Taiwan’s subway system and I could hear a lot of noise in the background. This kind of made it difficult to talk.
‘what happ-actually don’t worry. Just are you sure you’re alright? I’ve been worried out of my mind the last three days.’
‘I’m ok. not really, but I’m alive’.
‘I’m going to come see you. I’ll be over in a bit’
‘now?! wait… that’s probably…I don’t think that’s a good thing for you.’
‘what? why?! Seriously I’ve eaten like one Snickers bar over 2 days and haven’t been able to concentrate on anything else.’
‘I….I have bruise and cuts. I’m not good looking.’
As she finished her last sentence she started to cry.
‘I don’t want see you. ok? I don’t think it’s a good plan for you.’
I don’t cope very well when girls start crying as it’s not something I like to see, so I didn’t offer any argument.
‘bruise and cuts? Are you sure you’re ok though. That’s all I care about.’
‘Yes I am ok now.’
I was still at work and desperately wanted to talk to her longer so I confirmed she was heading home and told her I’d call her again when I got home.
I still had a million other questions but for now wasn’t convinced she was ok.
The cycle home gave me a few minutes to think and after the relief that at least she was contactable again washed over me my mind drifted back to Saturday night.
Despite my gut feeling I’d listened to her sister and cousins and let events transpire as they did. Here I was about to do it all over again. My gut told me everything wasn’t ok and hearing her cry and talk about cuts and bruises only fuelled my wanting to see her.
When I got home I called her up and told her I was coming around. I didn’t care if she was cut up, after 3 days of worry I just wanted to see her again.
By the time I got there she was having a coffee with her sister and cousins from Saturday – who all live nearby.
Clearly they’d all gotten the details of the past three days out of the way and were now doing the supportive ‘chatting about other stuff to take your mind of it’ thing – but I still knew practically nothing.
When I arrived I must have had worry written all over my face as even though her sister’s English isn’t so good she still managed to fumble out ‘you look so worried!’ when she saw me.
I thought about giving an obvious answer but let her statement slide unanswered.
I could see a little bruising around one of my girlfriend’s eyes but I couldn’t see any cuts. I immediately hoped this didn’t mean he’d gone to work on her body, but I didn’t think it the right place to ask.
After a quick hot chocolate her sister and cousins left us alone and we went off together. I had so many questions but was aware the last thing you want after an ordeal is to be interrogated.
Over the course of the night we spent alot of time talking, she cried and I listened in disbelief.
The guy was someone she’d known for seven years but they’d only started dating late last year. They broke up early this year (thinking about it now I forgot to ask why).
Whatever the reason she was done with him but this explains why she went outside and the casualness of her sister and cousins over it. They’d known this guy for a long time and thought it was just going to be your standard ‘waaah I love you get back together with me sentiment’.
They didn’t think he was capable of what went down.
After coming in and giving me the death stare my girlfriend had left with him because he’d threatened to start a fight with me. That’s what all the death staring was about as my girlfriend collected her bag.
Apparently for Taiwanese guys death stares are something akin to a peacock showing off it’s feathers in an attempt to woo females. You know you could just talk to the guy, but hey… easier to death stare and pretend you’re the man.
After leaving they did talk a bit but then things got nasty. He dragged her off and took her to his house.
Immediately my reaction was this is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.
‘Why didn’t you scream and call out? You were in the middle of a busy area! How does one guy force a girl to his house?!’
Turns out she did scream and put up protest, but nobody listened. She said some people stopped and looked but then pretended like they didn’t see anything.
Apparently getting involved in what looks like a couple’s argument isn’t the done thing in Taiwan. No matter how abusive it might appear or the fact that the two people involved aren’t a couple to begin with.
Meanwhile back at his house he boarded her up and began to question her.
He wanted to know why we were holding hands… to which she replied we were a couple.
This answer resulted in a king hit to her face, cutting her upper lip and causing it to swell and bleed.
He then went off drinking, leaving her trapped inside behind locked doors. His father who was originally home fled the scene, apparently scared of his own son.
Upon returning the questioning resumed… which at some point lead to the bruising of her eye.
As I listened to her experience my mind headed in a direction I didn’t want it to. It was something I’d been dreading the past three days and despite not being a religious person was the one thing I prayed didn’t happen to her.
It was the hardest question I’ve ever had to ask someone.
‘Did… did he force you to have sex with him?’
‘…’
‘…yes. But I didn’t want to tell you.’
I began to shut down emotionally at this point. I remember just lying on my bed staring at the roof… trying to let my emotions configure themselves so I knew what it was I was supposed to be feeling.
I didn’t feel angry or outraged, which surprised me. After three days of hoping the worst didn’t happen to hear it did, left me stonewalled.
‘Do you think I’m a dirty girl? Do you want to break up with me?’ She eventually asked inbetween tears.
I tried to think but my mind had shut itself off. A tsunami of sadness washed over me as I began to feel tinges of responsibility. Someone else had put themselves through this ordeal so that I wouldn’t have to enter a potentially physical confrontation.
Despite not knowing what was going on at the time and failing to read the situation without any backstory, this was something I was going to have to live with the rest of my life.
‘No. I just feel sad. Sad for you and what you had to go through. I am so sorry.’
The rest of the night was spent reconciling her as best I could.
The other two days of her ordeal were spent mostly talking. Upon waking the next day the guy saw the blood on her face and claimed he didn’t remember anything. He got her a cold egg to ease the lip swelling and told her he was sorry.
He then began to punch himself in the face… hard enough apparently to draw blood.
What was supposed to be an act of regret obviously at that point came too late. The damage had been done.
Following that came suicide threats with knives and in general, what seemed like the outpouring of pent up emotion that is the sad end result of an overly repressed society.
He finally let her go after pleading she wouldn’t leave him and she agreed they’d remain friends.
I’ve been in this relationship a few months now and I’m still processing what went down over the past three nights. We spent a good few hours discussing why nobody had gone to the police over any of this and she said they are like the people on the street.
The police simply don’t want to get involved in what they see as couple disputes, regardless of whether rape is involved or the couple aren’t even together anymore. She said they don’t take that sort of thing seriously.
I wasn’t happy with this answer as I’m sure if I went down there and kicked up a fuss then at least still if nothing was done, in my own mind I’d be settled that I’d tried.
Regardless I don’t know what was going through her mind. It was the first time that anything like this had happened to her and I didn’t want to put her through anything else.
After a long sleep the next day I took her to get a massage to try and relax a bit and I think we’re going to be ok from here.
She’s agreed to be more careful and wants nothing more to do with the guy. Thankfully I didn’t have to convince her that she didn’t owe him anything to begin with, let alone after what he’s done.
For me personally I think I’m going to chalk this up to the tapestry that makes us who we are. I’m still not entirely happy with the outcome, that is some guy kidnaps a girl for three days, punches her, has his way with her and then receives no punishment, but this isn’t my culture.
As much as I’d love to run amok treading on toes, with my own minor experience with the police here and from what I’ve heard, my girlfriend’s sentiment on the matter is probably right. As much as I hate admitting it.
Coming from a culture where domestic violence is taken seriously and rape even more seriously, Taiwan’s apparent tolerance of both doesn’t and probably never will sit right with me.
I have a gut feeling that despite my girlfriend not having any further contact with this guy, that we haven’t seen the last of him. I hope it happens later rather then sooner as I really don’t know what I’m capable of.
I don’t know if I’ve suppressed any anger I have knowing that showing any of it now is useless or just how much of it there might be.
For now though at least she’s safe and that’s all that matters.
This isn’t the Taiwan you’ll read about in travel guides, holiday planning books or experiences people are likely to share with you. But it’s there… tucked away in what tries to present itself as a progressive society.
When I left Australia I’d hoped to leave behind what had been a turbulent year in some aspects of my life and I looked forward to sharing with people life in Taiwan from the ground level.
Turns out turbulence was already waiting for me when I got here, tenfold worse then anything I’d ever experienced back home.
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September 2nd, 2010 at 5:22 pm Erica(Quote)
I’m glad she is ok. To be 100% honest with you, I don’t but her story personally. There’s something going on there.
I know the polices would do something about this situation if all is true. But i highly doubt her story. Sorry mate, wish it all goes well from now on.
September 2nd, 2010 at 5:38 pm John(Quote)
Yes I agree with Erica, great that shes ok. But you might not want to believe %100 of the story, I believe if you did take this to the police. Action would be taken.
September 2nd, 2010 at 5:43 pm Ralph(Quote)
whoa
Still, it’s probably the best of the worst case scenarios possible. Personally, I think the sister and cousins have something to answer for – knowing both the guy and the culture.
I’d be inclined to believe her story. But some research into the dating culture (ie asking uninvolved people) wouldn’t hurt either, if just for curiosity.
In any case, good on you for fronting up.
September 2nd, 2010 at 8:00 pm Ben(Quote)
Jesus Oz, I’m glad you got her back mate. Its a hellish story and I think its brave you can even write about it.
I think you’ve done everything right, but the stranger in a strange land thing really hits home. I know its a different culture, but as the other posters said, I’m amazed the police aren’t involved. Hope to hear things have improved soon
September 2nd, 2010 at 8:02 pm Caffeinated SentryGnome(Quote)
Look after her man she probably will need ya.
September 2nd, 2010 at 8:42 pm Bad Asian Boyfriend(Quote)
I’m gonna kick your skinny white ass for touching our taiwanese women…………HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
seriously though, I’m sorry to read of your troubles. I doubt her story very much. Telling you not to come round was the giveaway for me, mate. If she’s serious about you, you would have been the first call she made. She wouldn’t have got on the train without calling her true love (you) first.
Then finding her mates consoling her when you got there seems suss. Something terrible has supposedly happened and they are chatting about make-up or noodles or whatever.
I’d give them both a slap. The girlfriend and her ex. Then I’d ask her sister if she’d like to try out my western penis. Then you’ll get the truth. Try as many women as you can. Don’t get all blurry eyed over just one of them. She left with her ex without a word. Not dragged away screaming.
Anyway, she would have known that if there was a punch on, you could have got your big western penis out and frightened him away. She’s full of shit. Drop her and drop her now. But not before you tell her sister that you’d like to go out with her cos you need someone to talk to “because you’re upset and need a friend” hahahahahaha. Then get your big western penis out.
September 2nd, 2010 at 8:48 pm Bad Asian Boyfriend(Quote)
oh yeah, another thing… why did she come back and get her bag? If it was just going to be a quick discussion then onto the night market why didn’t she leave the bag at the table, deal with the crazy bugger then return?
She could have said to the mad idiot, “Hang on I’ll get my bag and then go home with you” and then return to the table and scream blue murder till he got kicked out or you did some kung fu on his taiwanese ass. It just doesn’t add up at all.
I’m sorry mate. Love is blind. You only realise when someone has screwed you over after it’s happened. Sometimes even months after. They can’t be trusted. I know. I’ve been there.
September 2nd, 2010 at 9:09 pm smithee(Quote)
If she has injuries then I would believe her story. If she doesn’t want to involve the police then that’s the end of that – you can’t decide for another.
But … I would be very clear that there is no way she is to go off with ANYONE else without you being given a full explanation and chance for a 1-to-1 talk.
This really does remind me of the girl I once dated and her inability to communicate with me during public social encounters. It drove me absolutely nuts.
Above all – I am really pleased for you that things didn’t turn out so bad. The result really is OK and I think you did everything right given the information you had.
September 2nd, 2010 at 10:07 pm Louise(Quote)
Most bullies are cowards. Hence the death stare rather than a direct confrontation. He’d rather pick on a tiny (I presume) asian woman than a european man who could hold his own.
I don’t condone violence, but I’d love to read that you punched him one next time you saw him.
September 2nd, 2010 at 11:22 pm Suzie(Quote)
Seriously glad to hear she’s safe. It does sound rather complex.
September 3rd, 2010 at 12:25 am Erica(Quote)
well… the fact that she didn’t call you right away was rather suss. And Bas Asian Boyfriend was quite right, she could’ve ask for help when came back for the bag.
I really hope whatever she said was true but at the same time, being a female myself, I can tell you this story is highly questionable………
September 3rd, 2010 at 1:17 am Caffeinated SentryGnome(Quote)
some have an easy life, others have an ‘interesting’ one.
if your one of the ‘interesting’ life people it doesn’t matter where you are, it will always find you.
September 3rd, 2010 at 2:26 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
Thanks for the opinions and thoughts guys. Particularly the sharing of your own stories, wasn’t quite expecting that!
@Erica
Perhaps, but in the time I’ve known her for a few months she hasn’t struck me as someone who leads one of those lives where she’s juggling ten guys and trying to keep her story straight. She’s been pretty upfront about anything I’ve asked and honest.
Likewise she’s expected the same from me and I’ve delivered. There hasn’t been any other instance where I’ve wondered what was going on up until Saturday. Infact there’s been nothing that’s raised an eyebrow other then her sisters problems which I thought were unrelated.
Infact this incident aside it’s been going quite well. Lies eventually catch up with people and I have no doubt that at some point I’m (we’re) probably going to run into this guy again. Most likely when we go out with her sister and her ex is stalking her again.
My girlfriend’s obviously got no plans to have anything to do with this guy and I’m in a much better position to read situations this time around. I know not to sit back and let her go anywhere with any guy, even if she thinks it’s for the best.
I guess I’ll just have to play it by ear. The gut feeling telling me something wasn’t quite right on Saturday night believes her story now. She has the bruises and cuts to prove it… so I don’t doubt what she’s said.
That and she seemed pretty shook up about it once we left the cafe and really started talking.
@John
This I’m not so sure about and I’ve really struggled with. Back home it’s a no brainer. Guy kidnaps girl, guy rapes girl and it’s criminal charges for him, or at the very least an investigation.
Over here the police are seen a bit differently. I’ve been pulled over for driving in a no scooter zone only to be flagged away, had people tell me the police are seen as a joke and watched as people run red lights and what not infront of police cars waiting at the lights.
As much as I have a hard time believing they wouldn’t care it doesn’t really surprise me.
Still, for personal peace of mind I’ve struggled with it. Not so much that I expect something to be done but that in a sense of decency I did all that I could. I haven’t been able to convince her to report it though and I’ve kind of let it slide for now.
One of the reasons she sited was that she didn’t want him to get a gang of his friends and come down hard on me. Again she keeps putting my safety above what happened/might happen to her which I’ve told her not to worry about.
As much as it irks me that she doesn’t want to report it, I do think I have to stand back and let it be her decision. Dragging her down to the police station to appease my state of mind isn’t going to do her any favours.
@Ralph
Perhaps, but in their defense there is a general sense of blind trust in people here. It’s what makes Taiwan quite a safe place to run about in, pretty young girl with jealous ex-boyfriends excepted.
Whereas in the west you need to earn someone’s trust, I think in Taiwan it’s more of a case of you’re given trust and it’s up to you to break it. Moreso if you’ve known the person for a while (7 years in this case).
Despite only dating last year I think the 7 years prior and no history of violence towards my girlfriend was what lowered their guard. At least that’s what she said and I think the explanation fits.
There’s a lot of girls running around here with the body of a 20 something year old but the naivety of a 12 year old. I’m not saying my girlfriend is one of them (she’s actually quite intelligent, which also threw me), but that I can see where they are coming from as well having seen the general level of trust here that exists between people.
@Ben
Yeah, definitely not something I thought I’d be experiencing when I decided to move overseas but then I don’t think it’s something anyone particularly expects anywhere.
I thought long and hard about publishing and while it wasn’t easy to write about, felt that if I’m going to cover Taiwan and my experiences here then stuff like this is equally important as everything else; despite being extremely personal and intrusive.
I usually try to keep a fine balance between my personal life and writing for OzSoapbox but this story goes well beyond that line. Then there’s giving people the entire experience of what life can be like in Taiwan… I think if I’m going to write about the good then I should also be writing about the bad.
If someone learns from my experiences than more power to them. I know I certainly didn’t find too many personal first hand accounts of Taiwanese ex-boyfriend crazyness before coming here. Plenty on the girls but nothing on the guys of Taiwan.
A lot of the guys here seem to be with less then stellar girlfriends and I think that might be why. No other westerner in their right mind would pull the crap some of these Taiwanese guys seem to get away with.
If you’re competing for their attractive girls directly though, well it’s a whole other ball game and nobody’s telling you the rules until after you’ve been outplayed.
I could just be lazy and go for the unattractive ‘I want a foreigner boyfriend’ girls but I (despite this incident) enjoy the different culture experience. The more attractive the girl you’re with the more craziness there is to exprience from the guys here I guess. At least that’s how I’m taking it.
@Bad Asian Boyfriend
In a culture where one’s ‘face’ is still quite important, I don’t think there was anything beyond genuinely not wanting me to see her a bit beat up going on.
She’s usually quite picky about her appearance so apart from the nature of cuts and bruises being alarming for me, the sentiment itself of her not wanting me to see her wasn’t all that out of character.
The discussion between them happened outside. I think the reason there wasn’t any inside was by that point she’d agreed to go somewhere and talk on the proviso he wouldn’t start anything with me. Whether he’d actually go ahead with it or not is another matter, but she believed there was a danger and didn’t want to see anything potentially happen to me.
Talking to me in her mind might have pushed him, moreso with him standing right there and me being slightly confused.
Bag, phone… girls have all sorts of stuff in their bags. Maybe she thought it’d be a bit longer so just wanted to take everything and meet us later. I don’t doubt for a second she expected to be dragged off (or agreed) to go to his place though.
Not in the middle of a night out with me and her sister/cousins. She knew I had no idea what was going on too and would be asking questions. She does regret initially not calling the police but then there’s that issue of trust again.
They’d gone out before and he hadn’t done anything to her. I don’t think she expected anything to come of it.
@smithee
Yeah this she was sorry for. I told her me winding up in hospital as a worst case scenario is still better then her being forced off with some guy because she’s trying to watch out for me.
Lack of communication to me played a big part of what went down on Saturday and we’ve discussed it through so hopefully it never happens again.
I have to remember that while I was slow to think on my feet, she said this hadn’t happened to her so she most likely was too. It seems we both made bad decisions that night.
We’ve talked them through at this point and can hopefully move on, both of us wiser for it.
@Louise
September 3rd, 2010 at 9:19 am lemmiwinks(Quote)
If what she says is true, kill that motherfucker stone dead. At the very least, cut his balls of and jam them down his throat.
I have zero tolerance for physical abuse of women and less than zero tolerance for rapists.
September 3rd, 2010 at 9:42 am babylue2(Quote)
I am glad that your girlfriend is alright. What I don’t understand is how come the police don’t do anything about what they assume to be a couple dispute. My God here in Canada where I live, his sorry butt would have been hauled off to Jail, charged with assault and battery, unlawful confinement, sexual assault and anything else that the law can drum up against him. This is bullshit.
What happens when women get killed in these sort of situations? Are the police in Taiwan so unconscious to the situation?, are they that heartless or simply that ignorant and backward> Things like these need to be taken seriously by law enforcement sources. This is bullshit. If what she told you is true, this woman has been rape and beaten up. That sob is going to get away with it. I am frigging pissed beyond words.
What you went through worrying about her for days. I can only imagine. Then to hear that your worst fears have been confirmed, man I feel for you, I feel for both of you. I can’t say anymore. I am too ANGRY to say more on this situation.
All I can add is these Taiwanese men are fucked up. The ones who are not dressing and acting like women are going around raping and beating women as a hobby to prove that they are men. This is beyond jealousy and possessiveness, this is a sick diabolical, bully. This is a little man, in more ways than one.
September 3rd, 2010 at 1:12 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
@babylue2
You and me both. Like I said, back home it’s a no brainer and taken very seriously.
I’ve confirmed the probably lack of police action with some other people living here. General consensus is if she goes by herself, without evidence (wtf?) she won’t be taken seriously and if I go, they might kick up a bit of a fuss to appear to be doing something, but the end result will be the same.
My sentiments exactly and this will firmly be planted in my mind should we run into him and he tries to pull the same crap again.
I’ve since learnt the reason they broke up was because he would always resort to suicide threats when they had an argument or disagreement. He’d set about hurting himself in front of her to prove a point.
Never hurt her though, hence the trust.
Regardless, it appears we have a grade A nutjob on our hands.
@bushrat
We’re going to spend some time with the cousins/sister this weekend so I’ll bring it up at some point.
As for convincing them to convince her to go make a report, they seem to stick together but that only extends to the point short of ‘intruding’ on eachother lives. These girls seem to like to discuss things but ultimately respect one another’s decisions, even if they disagree with them.
It’s a bit different to back home.
September 3rd, 2010 at 1:17 pm david on formosa(Quote)
When I started reading this story I never imagined it would turn out this way. It is very sad.
While I agree that Taiwan’s police are often pretty weak, they are not totally useless. If the assault/rape/kidnap had been reported soon after it happened and while there was still evidence available then action would have been taken. This is a very serious crime.
My only advice is to discuss with your girlfriend how to deal with this kind of situation if it arises again. Do your best to keep any possible confrontation with this crazy guy in public where there are witnesses. Call the police. Even if the police can’t do much insist that they make a report with the names of your girlfriend and the crazy guy. This will show the crazy guy that you won’t take any shit and also serve as evidence if something more serious happens.
September 3rd, 2010 at 2:14 pm babylue2(Quote)
I want o add to my comments. Even if the police don’t do anything about it. You should both go and let them know what has transpired. Let them have a record of who he is and what he did. Why?, should he try something again and either of you put a hurting on him in self defence, there is a police file about him and the situation.
So he threatens to kill himself. Let him. I can even give him a piece of rope to hand himself. He need a shrink, big time. He is a selfish evil jerk. She needs to tell him, go ahead and kill himself. If she sticks to her gun and he sees that, he will stop this nonsense. He is using that as a control tactic because it works on her. Tell her she needs to grow balls of steels when it comes to dealing with this jerk. I am a counselor so I know the crap people pull
September 3rd, 2010 at 11:39 pm Erica(Quote)
seriously mate, you should make a report to the police at least. we are talking about rape and kidnap, this is serious crime even in TW!!!
September 4th, 2010 at 2:57 pm cbp(Quote)
Makes you appreciate the hard work that Western culture has done over the past half century or so to treat this sort of shit seriously.
September 4th, 2010 at 7:03 pm Andy(Quote)
I have seen a shit load of these types of relationships here in Taiwan which is one of many reasons many of these women are becoming Lesbians. The guy definitely has some issues and she definitely must have her end of issues as well if she managed to be friends with a guy like that for 7 years. Better of looking for someone without any problems. Sad but there are times we see things that we can’t help.
Did you see the newspaper article a while back ago where some crazy dude was robbing or beating some lady near the university and no one helped. An American dude walked by and felt sorry for the person being beat up he was stabbed to death by this person and left in a pool of blood. Too many weird and sick people out here. Leave them to their own and get on with your own life. Do not get attached to people with problems. No pussy is worth dying for nor worth the headache my friend.
I am sure that girl must have a brother or father. Let them deal with it. If someone had done this to my sister or daughter I would beat the living crap out of them in public until that person could not stand back up again. Would be a huge memory for that person to remember for the rest of their lives.
Last tip to remember is if you ever fight here you better make sure that if you plan on throwing the first punch or even returning a punch that you can win that fight with no regrets after or it will be a thing where he will want to get revenge unless he got a beating so bad that he would remember to never ever pick a fight again or lay a hand on another person. Either they go down in the first punch or don’t throw the punch. Best yet is to find someone else for your own good as you don’t want to end up in jail over a problem between two other people.
September 5th, 2010 at 9:32 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
At this stage I’m just going to leave it to her. I don’t really see her reporting it and I’m going to stop pushing for it. I think going over it would just upset her more and I can see she’s decided to get over it by blocking it out.
Given her reaction and how she’s treated it, I’m sure that this hasn’t happened before nor is it a regular occurence. It seems to have really hurt her.
In future we’ve discussed going off with guys for any reason isn’t on and there needs to be communication. She can’t just do what she thinks is best for me and put herself in danger.
As for me, I’ll be ready with more then a fistful of ‘fuck you’ should the need arise, but only as a last resort. I don’t intend on throwing any first punches – it’s just not worth it… I’ve got the girl and that’s all that matters to me. I don’t need to indulge some losers fantasy that fighting over her will somehow make her want him.
September 5th, 2010 at 11:14 pm Andy(Quote)
Not sure if you have been watching any local tv lately but recently quite the news here in Taiwan is catching others who have a girlfriend or wife with others. These women go out with these guys and then when caught (usually by some other women) they spill the whole bag of beans admitting everything.
In the end you see them crying on TV lol.. Apologizing for what they did (rolling-eyes). If you like to monger a friendly reminder is to be very careful in Taiwan as women here love to make trouble for others as well.
When it comes to Soap Operas and Gossip one can’t beat Taiwan but in order to know this you need to understand the language and have been around for a while. This is why that Apple Daily News and Next magazine do so well in Taiwan lol.. Endless amounts of BS to report on lol..
September 6th, 2010 at 9:50 am Dave Hodgkinson(Quote)
You make me very glad that my Taiwanese fiancée had mostly Western exes! And I only had her parents to deal with. Wait….only?!!!!
September 6th, 2010 at 11:13 am Tony(Quote)
The truth is often hard to find…. the truth will lead you blind. Asian countries have problems with the truth.
I personally will always go with a hunch.
September 6th, 2010 at 2:37 pm babylue2(Quote)
You are so right Tony, Asian countries do find it hard to deal with the truth. I sometimes roam fansites of the Asian idols and if anyone says anything about one of those idols, those fans, those fans, especially the young ones will kill you. They will kill you even if the truth is staring them right in the face. Even if a blind man can see the truth.
It is the same with every day life with everyday living. It is a sad thing but what can we do. I just pray Oz can handle this situation, one day at a time. I still think that him and his girlfriend should have gone and reported this incident to the policee. The girlfriend should get some kind of counselling outside of the family. What she went through is very tramatic.
September 6th, 2010 at 9:23 pm Tony(Quote)
Oz…. think about it.. ok ?
can you live with this ? are you willing to put up with the actions that have occurred ? Is it affecting your sub concious ?
I believe the answer to those is yes. If so, I would do something about this because this situation will affect the relationship with your girlfriend because it is (according to western folk like us)a rather grave concern. And it will come back to bite you on your ass later down the track when you may have an argument with said girlfriend.
Think about it… RAPE and KIDNAPPING… this sort of stuff is handled in a court of law, it is jailable.. not slap on the wrist stuff.
Even though you love your girlfriend and she is pretty and can speak english etc etc… I suggest you finish the relationship and move on because what she did to you on that Saturday night was WRONG AND DISRESPECTFUL.
She arrived with you…. she should leave with you…. NOT HER EX. That shows no respect for you or herself… not going to the police or wanting to see you.. again, shows no respect for you or herself.
I don’t know you and you don’t know me but from reading your site which I stumbled upon I can tell you are a really good bloke, not a bullshitter.. what you see is what you get. You are a passionate and caring guy who is rather loyal and responsible. What we call a “nice guy.”
From that observation I suggest you move on because YOU CAN DO BETTER. And this shit always happens to “nice guys”
Sorry to be blunt but that is how I see it in this situation.
September 7th, 2010 at 12:23 am Tony(Quote)
by the way I would like to see a photo of you and said girlfriend.
Go Collingwood !!!
September 7th, 2010 at 4:36 am babylue2(Quote)
It would endanger OZ and his girlfriend even more, if that is possible, o be putting photos of him or his girl on the net. I can have a thread and my brothers, sisters and friens can be reading and commenting on the thread without even knowing it is my thread.
I suspect there are more Australians in Taiwan with similar jobs to OZ and who also have Taiwanese girlfriends.
For him to put his picture , or that of his girlfriend on the net is letting everyone know exactly who they are. Not a good idea Tony.
September 7th, 2010 at 11:47 am lol(Quote)
good to hear shes okay, but come on dude, are u buying her story?
i think u should make use of ur judgement (although from ur stories u dont seem to be too good at that) and stop blaming everything on “a different culture” there are still limits, regardless of where u come from (and rape is unacceptable in any culture)
If someone goes over the limit, then action needs to be taken (ie: report it to the sometimes-useless-but-in-the-case-of-something-major-like-rape-will-still-help-you-out-police)
and no, not all us taiwanese guys are crazy
September 7th, 2010 at 3:05 pm Mike(Quote)
Right. I’ve been following this story and the following truths spring to mind, I’ve travelled/lived in China a little (I realise it’s not Taiwan):
1. If she’s telling the truth, report it. To not do so is stupid frankly. Even if the police do nothing, the report is on file and with a bit of luck he’ll be spoken to and at least be aware there is a record of his actions.
2. Do not seek retribution. If you encounter him again and you need to step in, then do so, but do not actively seek him out.
I doubt the truth of the story to be honest, it’s probably true to some degree but I’m not sure it’s 100% true. I suspect if you march down to the police station, she may come clean about what is/is not true.
These sorts of things (only once involving a girl, I mean more physical confrontations) have happened to me, and people I know in China. My rule is if the situation warrants a physical show of strength, then do it, but do not seek it out.
The only example I have involving a girl was at a bar, I was talking to a girl who was quite clearly there with another guy. She started talking to me. She was incredible, literally the hottest girl I had seen in China.
Anyway, I went to the toilet at some point and she followed me in without my knowledge. Immediately, before I had even realised she was there her boyfriend (fiance it turns out) charged in yelling angrily and trying to stare me down. I threw him against a wall and held him there, while ionforming him forcefully his girl is following me.
There was no retribution from him or his friends, in face she slipped me her number and we met up a few days later in a much more private setting…. happy ending for everyone
September 7th, 2010 at 4:40 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
@Andy
Not being able to understand the local media unfortunately I miss stories like this
. This is one of my primary motivators for learning Chinese, I can’t wait to start blogging about current events in Taiwan. From what I can make out from the news I see every so often there’s a lot of random stuff they report on which I think will make for interesting reading!
@Dave
Thankfully whilst the ex might have jumped off the deep end my girlfriend’s parents seem to be stable. Still have the ‘don’t bring him home unless you’re marrying him’ rule but I’ll subtely work to break that
.
@babylue2
Yeah I’d have liked to report it but at the end of the day it’s her decision. She knows how I feel about it (and any chance of it ever happening again) so I guess my compromise is to accept her decision.
Regardless of the reason we’ve discussed running off to protect me isn’t on no matter who it is. I wouldn’t have thought it was a ground rule that needed to be discussed but there you are, welcome to dating different cultures.
I don’t know if counselling exists here. I know she had a traumatic weekend as she spent most of Saturday sleeping. I know Taiwanese girls love to sleep but this was different, she usually doesn’t sleep during the day on the weekends and for so long. A long overdue sleep after last weekend I thinks.
@Tony
It was initially and I had worries about it when I first talked to her about it on Tuesday. My original worry was not being able to get over it everytime I thought about her.
Since then I think it’s mellowed out in my head. Perhaps due it still being early days of the relationship I guess. If we’d been going out for a year or something then there’d be a lot more to answer for. Having said that even once was too much and I’ve learnt my lesson as she has hers.
Again, my initial thoughts. However I’m not back home. I’ve had to make a lot of adjustments lifestyle wise and I guess this is another one of them.
Even back home rape and kidnapping (domestic violence) can and does go largely unreported. Doesn’t make it right there nor here but as a boyfriend I think I’ve done all I can do put how I feel on the table and express what went horribly wrong that night.
If we’ve both come to an amicable solution and are ready to move on I can’t drag her down to make a report. I get the feeling she’s trying to block it out and going over it in detail with the police won’t do her any favours.
Not exactly healthy but I don’t own her (I’ve told her it’s not healthy).
When she left it wasn’t exactly laughs and smiles. It was plain to see it was an uncomfortable situation but I held back because of her sister and friends saying not to worry.
I don’t think she has anything to gain by lying to me (why admit the rape in the first place?) and genuinely think she didn’t think anything was going to happen.
She said she wasn’t thinking propery at the time and just wanted to remove him from me. He’s had a history of suicide threats and attempts but he’s never physically hurt anyone else, hence the trust between the sister and cousins. Like I’ve said previously trust is a bit funny here, rather then earn it you’re given it and it’s up to you to break it.
I’ve got no other reason to doubt her story or what happened other then resorting to stereotypes about Taiwanese women. I know I like to write about stereotypes on OzSoapbox (do I ever) but going on my gut feeling I don’t think this is one of those times.
She’s been pretty honest about anything since we’ve been together so I don’t see why this would be any different. I’ve been with a few coy and evasive girls over here so I’ve got some idea of what the signs are you’re being played.
Perhaps, but as long as I believe she’s didn’t knowingly expect what happened I’m not the kind of guy to ditch someone over something that happened to them. I don’t think that’s being a nice guy, just a decent person.
No worries mate, I know it’s a difficult situation to discuss and everyone has their own opinions. The discussion about it has helped me mentally at least and I appreciate everyone’s insight.
There’s not too many people to discuss things like this over here with. Either their jaded foreigners who’ve been here too long and every Taiwanese girl is a lying cheat or they’re like me, still stumbling through their new life learning as they go along.
There’s a few videos of me floating around after I did some news spots for Russian news agency Zvezda News. I don’t think I’ll be posting any couple shots anytime soon though. Taiwan’s overseas population is kinda small and I think the longer I can run around Taiwan incognito writing about it the better!
If peple start to recognise me it’ll be harder to blend in and observe.
@lol
I’ve got no reason not to? I’m not the kind of guy that falls over the first vagina that crosses his path so I’d like to think I’m a decent judge of character in choosing women. If I didn’t think I could trust her I wouldn’t be with her.
That and in further discussing it with her I don’t have any suspicions over what happened.
There might be limits, but here I am ‘in a different culture‘ experiencing it. I could charge headstrong and go on about how back home we blah blah and how everything is unacceptable but instead I’m trying to adapt and blend with it.
I’m not trying to affect the culture here, if anything it’s the reverse. What else am I supposed to call that other then living with a different culture?
Some of the aspects of Taiwan’s culture are great and well some, not so great. I’m here to write about whatever happens during my time here. Some of it will be good and no doubt some will be bad. It’s not something I have too much control over other then from a reactionary standpoint.
September 7th, 2010 at 4:43 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Thanks for the advice and sharing that story Mike, made for a good read!
I agree on not seeking it out and I’ve got no plans on actively looking for a confrontation. If it does find me again though I know not to just brush it off. I guess every situation is different and next time I’ll be playing it alot closely by ear instead of passively through the advice of others.
Cheers!
September 7th, 2010 at 4:49 pm bushrat(Quote)
So thats why everyone is sprinkling shit on my weaties and pissing me off all the time?………….
September 8th, 2010 at 12:25 am Tony(Quote)
yeah i guess you guys are right about the photos etc. and as they say.. opinions are like arseholes.. everybodys got one !!!
November 27th, 2011 at 2:29 am Isabelle(Quote)
i feel so sorry
not all the cops in taiwan r bad,but some of them do ignore the crimes
the violence of men hitting women was mostly,i think,the”face”thing. Women tend to hide it because they don;t want others to know,man still hit woman coz they know woman won’t call the police
i will definitily sue that jerk if he ever dare to lend a hand on me ot the ones i care about, so sad not all of is think that way
sorry if my english isn’t good enough,i did my best
November 27th, 2011 at 12:44 pm Malik(Quote)
I agree on this one too…The police do ignore and drive past. I have witnessed this one myself. I lost confidence in Taiwanese police when that incidence occurred.
November 27th, 2011 at 1:54 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Thanks for the input Isabelle. Don’t worry about your English, it’s fine.