Tasmania is full of prostitute loving pedophiles
Tasmania has been the butt of Australia’s incest joke community for as long as I can remember. The island itself is pretty isolated and nothing much seems to happen there.
For some Tasmanians this is a big draw card. A hearkening back to simpler times, living in an natural pristine environment and escaping the bustle of Australia’s main cities.
For others it’s just a convenient excuse to hop into bed with 12 year old girls.
I knew when I saw this particular news story all I was going to be left with was the bitter taste of chlamydia in my mouth. Yet I couldn’t stop reading…
A Tasmanian man has admitted prostituting a 12-year-old girl at his home and sharing the proceeds with the girl’s mother.
The Mercury reports the man, 51, acted as the girl’s pimp last year while she had sex with more than 100 men at Glenorchy.
The man, Gary John Devine put an ad in a local newspaper advertising ‘Angela‘ who was ‘new in town‘. Rates were $100 for the half hour and $50 more if you wanted to ride bareback.
So what drives a 12 year old girl into prostitution?
Well mid last year ‘Angela’s’ mother complained to her boyfriend close male friend Devine that she had no money. Now instead of Angela’s mother getting a job, claiming to be 1/16th Aboriginal or simply just whoring herself out, Devine, Angela’s mother and Angela herself sat down for a chat and came to the conclusion it was in their best interests that Angela become a prostitute.
When I was twelve my parents wouldn’t even let me decide on what hairstyle I was getting… I can only imagine what it’s like having a conversation with your mother about becoming a prostitute.
‘So son, we’ve got no money… it’s time for you to grow up and become a prostitute.’
‘…I’m sticking my pee pee into the what now?’
Not to be stereotypical or anything but at the root of the prostitution ring was drugs. Presumably this is why Angela’s mother had no money in the first place. Both Angela and her mother’s boyfriend close male friend Devine were also addicted to drugs too. Infact from the sounds of it most of the proceeds of the business wound up funding the trio’s drug habit.
Talk about your messed up childhoods…
‘so sweetheart what was your childhood like?’
‘well by the age of twelve I’d stretched out my vagina to the size of nineteen football fields, done hard drugs and worked as a prostitute. Now what color did you want for the wedding cake again?’
‘…’
‘…honey?’
The kind of worrying thing (well one of many worrying things really), is that ‘Angela’ was quite the success. Initially starting off in a hotel room she quickly graduated to turning tricks at Devine’s unit.
The business ran from Thursday to Sunday and on average Angela saw 100 men a week. The business started in July and it wasn’t until November that police caught up with them. Between July and November there’s 18 weekends which comes in at a staggering 1,800 men.
And I don’t mean staggering as in ‘holy crap that’s a large number’, I mean staggering as in how the hell do you put a 12 year old’s vagina through that? I’m also not being metaphorical… that’s literally got to be a staggering experience for her.
Even more worrying is the fact that there’s so many men in Tasmania willing to shack up with a twelve year old for money. The advertisement sold Angela off as an eighteen year old but cmon, when was the last time you saw an eighteen year old who looked twelve?
…and this is coming from a guy who lives in Taiwan where it seems puberty has skipped half the female population.
I’m not saying there weren’t any repeat customers in the 1800 men who slept with twelve year old Angela but really, not one person thought to themselves ‘you know what, there’s no grass on this pitch. Something isn’t quite right here’.
While at this stage it’s unknown just who the clientel were at least one high profile customer has been named and shamed. Tasmanian independant MP Terry Martin is currently facing court over child pornography allegations;
It is alleged that on or about September 10, the 51-year-old politician took photographs of a naked 12-year-old girl performing a sex act.
Underage prostitutes, drug addicted pimps, mothers who consent and pedophile politicians;
Seriously Tasmania, what the hell?
March 24th, 2010 at 6:43 am sal(Quote)
I guess this view is based on Tasmania being such a small place, everyone is either related to, or in bed with, each other!
While your state, wherever it is, doesn’t of course have any such behaviour as this. No father holding his daughter prisoner for years and having children by her? That’s unusual!
Time you grew up, and realised there are bad people everywhere.
And Terry Martin’s trial hasn’t happened yet, but he has Parkinsons disease, and the drugs for that have side effects that create increased sex drive. However as he has very high ethical standards, he is probably as shocked as everyone else that an 18 year old girl has turned out to be 12.
Don’t be so self-righteous!
March 24th, 2010 at 6:43 am John(Quote)
That behavior is disgusting. They need to lock up everyone involved and throw away the key.
March 24th, 2010 at 12:03 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Gday Sal,
Ding ding ding! Nail + head = you!
Unusual yes, but it was one guy. Glenorchy is just north of Hobart and with a population of just over 200,000, 1800 prostitute loving pedophiles is definitely something to worry about! I mean jesus by proxy alone you probably know one or two of them.
I never said there wasn’t… and what then, this justifies what happened?!
Oh well if Terry Martin had Parkinson’s disease that’s ok then. Maybe we should supply all Parkinson’s disease suffers with child prostitutes. If you have one, how about we start with your daughter?
Yeah because high ethical standards is pedophilias kryptonite right? Seriously a twelve year old vagina is a twelve year old vagina. If you sleep with one as an adult male and can’t tell the difference either you’re a virgin or enjoying it.
March 24th, 2010 at 6:19 pm bushrat(Quote)
Having lived in Tassie some years ago, I will weigh into this.
1: Yes, it’s true that everybody knows NEARLY everybody else, either by proxy, personally or reputation.
2: Tasmanians generally have a pretty low tolerance toward scumbags, (the local term of endearment is “shitheads”), and thus I feel confident that the net will tighten slowly on a great many of these bastards.
Simply because everybody knows SOMETHING.
3: Lose your reputation in Tassie and it’s gone FOREVER, make no mistake
4: There are a percentage of people in Tassie that tend to dispense summary justice as they see it. Think how things worked in the mainland states 30+ years ago and thats what it’s like – I would really not like to be ANY of the individuals involved in this matter.
5: People like this are despised in Tassie just as much, if not more than they are in the mainland states, believe me.
And yes it’s true that there are sicko’s in every state, as you rightly point out Sal, the good thing about tassie is that the bastards have a better chance of being caught and punished, simply because of the smaller population.
It is after all, harder to hide a tree in a small forest than a large forest!
SICK BASTARDS ALL – ESPECIALLY THE MOTHER (I use the term loosely)
March 25th, 2010 at 1:06 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
John Devine has been jailed for 10 years with a non parole period of 8 years.
The mother is to be sentenced next week. Wonder if she’ll get a suitable sentence or just a lollipop one.
March 25th, 2010 at 5:43 pm bushrat(Quote)
“Mum” should get life……………..
March 25th, 2010 at 6:13 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Bet you she won’t though. After all he made her do it and it was all his idea… they were both doing drugs but only she had her judgement clouded.
She hasn’t even entered a plea yet.
March 25th, 2010 at 9:46 pm bushrat(Quote)
Yair, Oz, too many use the great gods of drugs and piss to excuse thier miserable and despicable actions.
Just out of morbid curiosity, what sort of sentance would something like this attract where you are at the moment?
March 25th, 2010 at 10:48 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Well for starters illegal drugs aren’t looked to favourably upon here (although by all accounts they are available). So rocking up to court saying you pimped out a 12 year old to buy illegal drugs probably wouldn’t go down to well.
As for pimping a child out no idea. Sleeping with a girl under 14 is illegal here and you’re up for 3-10 years in jail. Your name and photograph is also made public and distributed via the government.
I imagine pimping a child out attracts a higher penalty, not sure how much more though.
March 26th, 2010 at 12:16 am bushrat(Quote)
That sounds a lot better than what we have here, given the general sentances and excuses that are acccepted by Aussie courts………………..
Hot topic here at the moment seems to be the fatal car crash in Canberra earliier in the week. A real shocker.
take a look if you want to see some varied points of view and comments. Blokes name was justin williams, you wont have any bother finding it if yuo are interested.
Cheers for now, be well.
March 26th, 2010 at 12:32 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
I dunno it seems to have its ups and downs. I think once you get to court in Asian countries justice might work but the journey to court is riddled with corruption and loopholes.
Uh… one step of ahead of you chief. See: ‘Justin Williams’ crash highlights failure of Oz courts‘.
You even commented on the post!
March 26th, 2010 at 9:33 am bushrat(Quote)
Yair good example of brain doing one thing and fingers another. What I meant to include was to have a look at some of the comments on a site I found last night called “youngandgrumpy.com.”
Number one son arrived as I was doing it and distracted me.
Amazing comments, some of them
March 28th, 2010 at 9:26 am ben(Quote)
read this: http://www.examiner.com.au/news/local/news/crime-law-justice/glenorchy-man-jailed-for-prostituting-12yearold-girl/1786826.aspx?storypage=2
in excess of 100 men. not 1800 men. tasmania isn’t as repulsive as you think. if tasmania was like you think, this wouldn’t be a front page story 3 days in a row, would it?
March 29th, 2010 at 1:07 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
Ah I seem to have read the original news stories wrong when calculating when Devine and co. were busted and when they hatched the plan. I’ll leave a note in the article, thanks for clearing that up.
Tasmania might not be repulsive but some Tasmanians certainly are. I think stories like this get front page coverage because the rest of Australia likes reading about our backwards depraved cousins to the south.
It makes us all feel better about our own lives.
March 29th, 2010 at 9:29 am bushrat(Quote)
Which unfortunately we have to spend in the mainland states buried in rampant stress and crime………………
March 29th, 2010 at 6:18 pm chemosa(Quote)
I had the misfortune, of growing up near and going to school with the “close male friend”; he was born into a family where it was inevitable he would end up the way he is. I would estimate, he has spent more adult time in jail than out, and don’t think he would regard prison as a punishment, but more like his second home.
He is the exception and an indication of a combination of drugs and criminals level to which they would stoop.
I would be confident that in Sydney, it would not be that hard to find a 12yo either, grossly sad as it is.
Don’t judge Tasmania on 1 individual, if you do that, then every 20+ Male would be like Martin Bryant, who by the way went to the same school !
March 30th, 2010 at 12:56 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
I wonder how this twelve year old girl is going to turn out then. I read that she gave an impact statement saying how hard done by she was but really, the original news reports were saying she agreed to the idea and was addicted to drugs herself.
I’m not saying she’s responsible but realistically she doesn’t have a hope in hell of growing up and leading a normal life.
I’m pretty pessimistic at the best of times (or sarcastic, I’ve blurred the two lines so much now that to me they’re the same), but even I have trouble believing it’s easy to find a twelve year old in Sydney. Cmon we go crazy over some guy in Queensland downloading Simpsons cartoon porn, I find it hard to believe we’re up there with the child prostitution capitals of the world.
What school would that be? Sounds like it needs to be razed to the ground!
March 30th, 2010 at 11:02 am bushrat(Quote)
Roll on 2012, it might be the the ultimate enema that the world needs…………………………..
March 30th, 2010 at 12:45 pm chemosa(Quote)
For the record it was Newtown High School, the only public all-boy school in Tas. Once again, ovbviously they were in a minority and years apart, the school was averaging about 1300 students a year at that stage,and has a very good reputation, especially for sport.
Gary Devine spent a lot of time suspended and was a bully even back then, I lived about a dozen houses away, and never felt comfortable having to pass it on the way to school, he has brothers, who spend time in and out jail as well. And in general he would only do things in groups, one on one he was weak.
April 21st, 2010 at 10:44 pm Sommer(Quote)
For starters i think your rather funny ‘Ozwhateverthefuck’, also rather rude.
Have you been to Tasmania? Obviously not. It’s not as small as you think and everybody doesnt know everybody, there is a select few people that everybody here knows something about because un-like your location consisting of notorious horendous crimes, we dont have much exciting stuff to talk about other that the same common families that get talked about regularly by choice.
So there is thousands of people that live here that no-one can point a name to. Devines are one of the ‘families’ that get dicussed in news here so whether you know them or not you are bound to know a description and name.
People wouldnt know the ‘HUNDRED AND SO’ people this girl slept with like you think they would, my point is Tasmania is bigger than what you think. People living in your over-populated crime ridden fast over-rated world are just jealous.
Come check out our forrests, i bet your jealous. Not to mention all the other breath taking experiences that are naturally made. You sound so un-educated, you should research before blogging lol, to all us Tasmanians you look like another one of those bitches that doesnt know what shes missing out on, step outside of you office dear and experience some proper life other than your wrongly oppioniated drama queen Tasmania slander wanna be thing.
You wouldnt believe but i happen to know of the 12 yr old, she looks older that me and im 14yrs older, bigger boobs, more make-up, hips, hair everything, ill send you a pic of my face and hers bet you would pick wrong.
She brought it all on herself, unfortunately the way her mum and whoever raised her excelled over any good decent genes she held, the mother like all other drug users shouldnt have kids so they are raised lacking in self respect, morals etc.
So tell your neighbours to stop making anphetimines and shipping them to here, cut the supply thanks bill. Then we will be right!
Go breathe in some awesome fumes to damage more of your only left brain cells. (I realise my spelling isnt up the scatch tonight, its late, the story is still there in the mumble jumble. Bye your deprived woman
xx
P.S- You would be wise not to come here, my cousins/auntys/uncles/sisters/brothers/mums/dads dont like whorey dumbasses like you lol, you’ll be spotted straight away here LOL x
April 22nd, 2010 at 12:55 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
…really? soapbox was that hard for you to remember and type out?… this is going to be good.
Yeah I have, once. That was once enough. As for crime, what are you talking about? You guys have like the population of a small country town yet statistically have hosted some of the worst crimes in Australia’s history. Tasmania’s like a crackpot magnet.
Either that or all it took was one crackpot to taint the very limited gene pool down there.
Yes we are totally jealous of the fact that we wish we could sleep with twelve year olds and get away with it. Oh my what a terrible place the rest of the world has become when this isn’t a reality.
Uh… you know forests exist outside of Tasmania right? Just checking. A forest is a forest is a forest in Australia.
If the proper life includes sleeping around with 12 year olds then no thanks, the office I don’t work in is cosy enough. Also I don’t invent the news, if Tasmania wasn’t sleeping with 12 year old prostitutes I wouldn’t have formed an opinion of it. Stop worrying about what the rest of the world thinks and make sure your boyfriend/husband isn’t sleeping around with children.
No I totally believe this. Like I asserted, ‘everybody in Tasmania knows everybody else‘. You knowing the victim, irony much?
Wow, sounds like you sure got the short end of the puberty stick. Your under development however doesn’t excuse the fact that she’s still fourteen. Get a boob job, put on some make up (but please avoid the ‘caked on’ bogan look, go to the gym to work on your hips and get a haircut if it’s that much of a big deal to you, but don’t try to justify child prostitution with it.
So the child brought it all upon herself because she had a mother who lacked any ‘self respect and morals‘ when raising her. Um… what?
That’s some Tasmanian logic for you right there.
You speak like your cousins/auntys/uncles/sisters/brothers/mums/dads (wait exactly how many mums and dads do you have?), make up the entire population of Tasmania. Why would they recognise us mainlanders? Is it because we don’t look like child prostituting inbred hicks?
Don’t worry, if I ever return to Tasmania I’ll be sure to black out a few of my teeth and pickup a costume or two before the boatride over. Thanks for the advice.
May 10th, 2010 at 6:24 pm Clair(Quote)
This is in relation to sal’s comment, most twelve year old girls are only just developing breasts and you can usually tell by the shape a girls level of puberty!
I do not think that is any kind of excuse at all I can not even begin to think why you would defend a man that conducts himself in this manner or any man or woman for that matter he is a evil depraved human being whom loves to take photo’s of 12 year olds engaged in sexual acts!
No matter where this happens it is so not ok! I hope his illness takes hold of him and makes him suffer until he draws his last breath!
May 11th, 2010 at 12:01 am chemosa(Quote)
While it continues to be a source of mirth and exaggerated truth about Tasmania.and it’s population, if it is as depraved as you claim, why do I meet people who have moved to Tasmania from interstate because of it’s lifestyle and environment?
Someone mentioned that we are not the only state with forests, true; but when it is 40% of your total area and the majority of which is pristine, there is no argument.
The statement that Tasmania has a population the size of a small country town, apart from being laughable, is irrelevant, what ” hosted some of the worst crimes in Australia’s history ” are you referring to ?
Bryant is one, but I understand he is from a U.K. background, if you can identify any other ” worst crimes in Australia’s history ” I would be more than interested in knowing what they were.
It should also be remembered by all, that Martin Bryant is a retard, I am aware of his school history, the system let him, his own family and the population down by the fact that once he became the age of attending High-school; the care and nurturing of a special school, ( formerly called Talere, where I believe he attended, until forced by the system to enter in a limited way the local Public High School), where their main purpose was to bring him, and the other 30 or so, retarded children, to a level that they could participate and integrate into society.
Devine was not part of this sector of the community, born into a family that could live anywhere, like next door to the Milat family for example, his family was and still is disfunctional by the standards of a modern society that expects values his family did not conform to and in fact deliberately went out of their way to snub.
Any area, has people who come to notice through both bad and good reasons.
The logic used with the small town analogy, could also apply to Australia, with a population that compared to nations like China, India, Indonesia etc. is in fact overachieving
for it’s size in many aspects of life.
Without listing a complete list of modern Criminal atrocities in Australia, e.g. Milat, Moran, Williams, Claremont killings, Bodies in the barrel, where would Australia stand ” statistically ” against such nations as U.K., U.S.A., and nations in Africa and South America.
I suspect that we as a nation, let alone Tasmania, as a ” small country town “, would barely raise a bar on a percentage graph.
The girl involved was also born into a family similar to Devine, in both cases the standards the vast number of Australians adhere to were totally disregarded by the families involved.
Do you truly believe, Ivan Milat was the only member of the family involved in the known murders, rapes, torture etc ?
Those who comment on this issue, should take into account the circumstances that led to the subsequent actions that followed
Evil people exist, society does not always identify them until it is too late, or the do-gooders of this world insist they be given chance after chance until they reach a level that they cannot defend. Do-gooders then blame everyone else for allowing it to happen, then proceed on their next crusade.
Tasmania does not have a ” King’s Cross or Lygon Street ” which are tolerated and even corruptly assisted by the authorities.
The good news for Tasmania is that small-minded people such as yourself will not want to come here,a process Darwin called ” natural selection “.
May 11th, 2010 at 1:54 am bushrat(Quote)
I had the very good fortune to live in Tassie for four years, and made lots of good mates. We moved back to the mainland for family reasons, and that has become one my lifes greatest regrets.
Back to the mainland, with rampant crime, assaults, robbery, road rage, useless coppers who wont tackle the problems, and a place that is dirty and stinks of pollution everywhere you go.
Fuck the mainland.
Yep, its true, there are dropkicks and bad bastards in Tassie, but not as many as up here, and thats no bullshit.
Yep, critters like Martin Bryant (froot loop) and this current thing, now mercifully incarcerated, but not as many as the mainland. Whats the matter, you never watch friggin underbelly?
I have now been back three times, and this year am going back for good. My wife and son want to stay here – so be it – I’m over it.
In any case, to know a place, you really need to live and work there, not just visit and rubberneck. Tassie is clean and peaceful, and those of us who know it love it to death.
Its going to be hard to adjust, but thats the price to be paid for living in a better place. I know that its easy to make jokes about the place, so heres one for the Tassie knockers -;
You know the difference between a Tasmanian and a mainlander?
Simple really, the Tasmanian has 2 brains, one in each head, not half of one stuck in thier arse like a mainlander!
So knock it all you like, just dont move down here and fuck it up like some of you have fucked up the mainland.
LOVE THE PLACE
Woof, woof, (my “B” dog agrees too)!
May 11th, 2010 at 4:06 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
@chemosa
I dunno, maybe because some people are attracted to depravity? Tasmania’s isolation gives them the freedom to carry out their fantasies from prying eyes.
No argument from me! If a child screams in the woods and nobody is around to hear her does she make a sound?
UK background fine but he was living in Tasmania wasn’t he. As for other crimes well Aboriginal genocide is a start. Then there was ‘the worst crime imagineable‘ from last year.
I’m sure there will be more horrendous crimes occuring in Tasmania in the future. Statistics wise Tasmana has the highest level of repeat offenders in Australia’s largest criminal demographic as well as being Australia’s second highest criminally inclined jurisdiction.
I’m sure there’s a fair share of future Gary Devine’s and Martin Bryants in that mix.
As for the rest of your comments I find it amusing that the only defense people can come up with is a comparison between Tasmania and Australia’s other states, and then to a greater extent the rest of the world.
None of this changes the fact that somewhere in Tasmania there’s 100 men who paid money and slept with a twelve year old. Comparing Tasmanian crime to the rest of Australia was never the intention of the original article.
Totally agree. The mother today revealed that the reason she put her daughter through this was to pay off a home loan and buy two commodores.
Tasmanian bogan enough for you?
May 11th, 2010 at 12:11 pm bushrat(Quote)
Yes mate, thats true, but you should know that its easier to catch fish in a small tank than a bigger one. Most of the time the cops in Tassie know exactly where all the bad eggs are at all times.
They keep locking the same blokes up because they stand out and are easier to catch, which is a good thing, isnt it?
Or am I somehow missing the point to this whole discussion?
And to be fair, it didnt take them very long to hear about this horrible business and jump on it. The benefits of a smaller population, sorry. And another mainland comparison, the bloke in Victoria who kept his own daughter captive for YEARS and fathered children with her, I doubt that he would have escaped detection for so long in Tassie.
Like I said before, I know that Tassie is a good place, and most of the people there are good people. Unfortunately, unless some sort of bogan extermination or sterilisation program is introduced, there will be bogans there just like anywhere else.
May 14th, 2010 at 2:12 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Some good judicial news for a change!
I was really expecting another lollipop ‘oh but my daughter can’t live without me!’ community service/suspended sentence. Glad to see some proper justice dished out.
May 14th, 2010 at 7:41 pm bushrat(Quote)
Tassie Justice
May 17th, 2010 at 5:21 pm Matt(Quote)
You can have sex with children all over the World, But the pimp should have charged more for a 12 year-old girl assuming shes White. Under-age White girls attract the highest premium all over the World.
There are some in Kings Cross and illegal brothels around the country. But most Aussies prefer to travel to counties such as Thailand, the Phillipines and Cambodia.
May 17th, 2010 at 6:30 pm bushrat(Quote)
They both got 10 years, I’m thinking that it’s gonna be a very LONG and PAINFUL 10 for both of them, as it should be!
August 19th, 2010 at 4:08 pm kattie(Quote)
maybe you should fact check a little but it was around 100 men in total!! Not that this by any means is ok. It is disgusting and abhorent.
Unfortunately though things like ths happen everywher not just in Tassie. I live in Tas and am a normal person with normal children a normal life. I am not married to my cousin, brother, father, uncle or anyone else that is a blood relation!!
Just because we live on an island that doesn’t make us inbred, stupid or a deviant!
August 20th, 2010 at 3:23 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
It doesn’t but cmon, 100 random guys out of such a small population willing to pump an underage girl doesn’t look good on paper!
August 20th, 2010 at 3:41 am CHEMOSA(Quote)
100 Random Guys who got caught by Tasmanian Authorities, do they have police in King’s Cross or Bondi Beach, at schoolies week, etc., etc.?
Drag your mind from where you have it at the moment, are you sure you are not related to any of your poor partner’s family ? ? ?
Has your mind enough room to comprehend that the entire structure of the Royal families of Europe, were related, and married within their own families for centuries.
Now one of them is married to a beautiful Tasmanian girl / woman, who is expecting their 3rd & 4th heirs.
I guess she was lucky that you didn’t do the vetting of her.
August 20th, 2010 at 3:50 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
They weren’t random guys, they were all Tasmanians which in the context of the article is relevant.
Yep.
So because royal families in Europe inbred over the centuries we should encourage young women to feed the apparent pedophile prostitute market demand in Tasmania?
Right, that makes total sense.
August 20th, 2010 at 11:31 am kattie(Quote)
Not saying it is right, because it is NOT, Just saying it is not right to tar everyone with the same brush!!
August 20th, 2010 at 11:42 am kattie(Quote)
Do you have solid evidence they were all tasmanian men??? No I bet you haven’t. Cn you say with absolute certainty that some of these men weren’t born elsewhere and moved here or that they weren’t buisness men from interstate here for work?? No, no one can until they are all caught and charged.
August 20th, 2010 at 11:44 am bushrat(Quote)
I agree Katie, it’s OK, at least there are two of us on this forum that know what a great place Tassie is!
Of course this sort of thing would NEVER happen on the mainland, would it? (tongue in cheek……..)
August 20th, 2010 at 4:20 pm kattie(Quote)
OH no never on the mainland, after all our mainland cousins are far too sophisticated for that sort of thing!! but after all they do have to take in to consideration that us as poor ol’ taswegians have to put up with the stigma of our scars from the removal of our second heads, so no wonder we are apparently abhorrent!
August 20th, 2010 at 10:56 pm bushrat(Quote)
I was talking to a bloke tonight and it came up in conversation that I had lived in Tas for some years, he said, “Yair, I’ve never been overseas to another country…”
Scary, aint it?
August 21st, 2010 at 3:14 pm kattie(Quote)
lol!! I lived in Melbourne for a while and actually met people that thought Tassie was too small for a plane to land on. They wanted to know if you had to parachute down to it!! makes you wonder where people learn their geography! :/
August 21st, 2010 at 5:45 pm bushrat(Quote)
THANK GOD FOR THE SICKLE CELL THAT NAKES US ALL DIFFERENT! :-0
August 21st, 2010 at 9:06 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
@kattie
I’d assume they were Tasmanian men. How many visitors do you think are going to go buy the local paper and hunt out prostitutes… surely if they were only there for a short time they’d find a faster way. (That and you’d have to be pretty desperate as a visitor to seek out a prostitute in Tasmania of all places to begin with).
I don’t think Tasmania itself is a bad place, just that due to isolation the people are a bit strange. Case in point out of such a small population 100 men have sex with an underage girl and don’t think twice. I don’t recall that happening on the mainland anytime recently.
August 21st, 2010 at 10:19 pm CHEMOSA(Quote)
I’d assume you are a narrow-minded, unintelligent moron; but then I don’t really know.
Visitors who stay in paid accomadation, would receive a copy of the local paper as a matter of due course. Doesn’t this happen where you exist.
If they were staying with family or friends, there would be a vast majority who would have it at their place, and any Hotel, Cafe, Coffee Shop or the like also has copies on the counter / bar for customers to read.
Assuming they can read if they came from outside Tasmania, that would make it more easy than the alterneative you are obviously well acquainted with.
Tell me which is the fastest way that you use ?
Also, how come you are all of a sudden are a judgemental expert on the merits of each states’ prostitutes, is this a comparison based on fAct, fU.. ed and know, or just your simpleton mind playing with you.
If you don’t want to come to Tasmania, that is great news for us, tell all your vast circle of friends ??? so that they don’t taint your opinion.
IN what way is Tasmania isolated, we are 2 hours from Melbourne, have all the accepted communications services including the first runnout of th latest Optic Fibre, ( before the rest of Australia ).
The most isolated Major city in the world is Perth, W.A.;
perhaps they have a problem as well ?
If you are basing your opinion on what you have been told or think you know;
It proves the amended adage : SHIT – IN : SHIT – OUT
STAY AWAY.
August 22nd, 2010 at 12:33 am bushrat(Quote)
Sorry Oz, but this time I have to disagree with your usually accurate take on things.
I can only take people as I find them, and from my own personal experience, a Tasmanian is more likely to be a friendly and honest sort of person than a hell of a lot of people on the “big island”.
Sure, there are bad apples, and they stand out primarily because they are more noticible in a smaller population, but in its own way it works FOR the community because they come to the attention of the authorities far easier, say, than somebody in a southern mailand state, who fathers children to his own daughter over many years of incestious pandering.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but not only does this sort of thing happen on the mainland, but it is less noticible due to the larger population, therefore these people escape detection more easily, and the offences go largely undetected.
I have lived in Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne, and spent time in several other state capitals, and frankly, Tasmania is the only part of Australia that I now consider to be a safe place. Far more laid back and peaceful than the medium sized city I now live in (temporarily)! , which has become a sewer of drugged out, aggressive, road raging lunatics and drunks, all out to make each others lives a misery.
Had a couple of mates up visiting from Tassie a few years ago, and they couldnt head south fast enough, “why on eart did you come back to THIS!?” was the comment.
I was unable to answer, too embarressed, enuff said?
August 22nd, 2010 at 12:34 am bushrat(Quote)
By the way; If you reckon Tasmanians are strange, the you may officially consider me strange also!
August 22nd, 2010 at 10:36 am Erica(Quote)
I am going to agree with Bushart also. Do you personally know any Tasmanian? have you actually lived there? or even visited?
I’m myself not a Tasmanian but I don’t think the majority of Tasmanians are… strange or have sex with underage girls. I’m sure it happened in the mainland too, but due to the stats and larger population, it’s harder to be found out.
Another humble suggestion Oz, don’t ALWAYS trust the media. Unless you personally experienced on something (i.e. the Taiwan blogs / shopping blogs) you can’t really be judgmental on something can you?
August 22nd, 2010 at 3:15 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
I guess it depends on what your used to lifestyle wise. Yeah I’ve visited Tasmania and met/seen the people and to me it seems very small town country strange. Even though it’s only a few hours over the ocean that’s still an ocean dividing Tasmania from the mainland and I think it shows. Hardly a trip over you’re just going to make on a whim so most people would stay put.
A life without being blatantly led down the garden path to riotsville? What kind of moderate unexciting life is that!
August 22nd, 2010 at 3:55 pm CHEMOSA(Quote)
When you lose an argument, do you always ignore the facts, address each item I have raised, and admit you are talking SHIT.
I won’t go away, neither will some others,I eagerly await your reply, point by point each of us have made.
Start with mine if you dare ?
August 22nd, 2010 at 5:00 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Sorry there mate. I do read each and every comment left by readers on OzSoapbox but please don’t take me not personally replying as ignoring you, just had a busy weekend. Nonetheless, apologies I didn’t respond sooner.
Perhaps, but I’m hardly going to pick it up and start browsing for prostitution ads now am I. What’s more probable, that people living in Tasmania saw the ad and called up or that 100 interstate/international businessmen did?
The simplest explanation fits.
I’ve never actually paid for sex. Never have, never will – I plan to take this little proud achievement to my grave.
I’m not judging each state prostitutes but rather the use of underage girls. I imagine such a blatant advertisement and the fact that the girl was underage wouldn’t last too long in one of Australia’s cities. We hear about sex slave busts from time to time in the news so it appears there’s at least one government department watching over the mainland’s sex trade.
That and I’d like to think someone would have reported it sooner rather then 100 men passing through and not saying a word.
400km off Bass Strait ought to do it. Yes it can be crossed by plane but it’s hardly a spur of the moment ‘hey let’s go visit Melbourne’ thing.
Yes we as a country do waste a lot of money ensuring Tasmania is all hooked up. Unfortunately though due to the irrelevance of technology in people who happily isolated’s daily lives, it’s almost all for naught.
The Tasmanian government predicts that just 16 percent of households will connect up to the NBN by 2023. That’s a horrible return on the investment.
From memory the same abysmal uptake happened when Telstra trialled ADSL down there too. Tasmanians just aren’t interested in technology, not when you can be scouring the local newspapers for underage prostitute ads.
No worries.
August 22nd, 2010 at 6:40 pm CHEMOSA(Quote)
Thanks for the reply, however you still haven’t disproved any of the facts.
1. Any paid accomadation I have used when travelling, has always included a local paper in the morning, asked for or not.
2. So now we know you have never paid for sex, and that you weren’t commenting on Prostitutes, instead all along you have meant underage girls. I am confused though,
3. You said “(That and you’d have to be pretty desperate as a visitor to seek out a prostitute in Tasmania of all places to begin with).
Did you mean prostitute or underage girls ???
4. You still haven’t explained your ability to judge the merits of prostitutes, IF as you say, you have never paid for sex; does this mean with prostitutes or underage girls.
Either way, what qualifies you to comment and rate them ???
5. Bass Strait does not affect AIR TRAVEL, 2hours to get to Melbourne from Hobart, people I know in the travel industry tell me that when events are on in Tasmania, they fly in from the mainland to make the most of it.
6. How long does it take the average person in Sydney, Melbourne to travel to work each day ?????
7. You prove my point, we have complete access to anything you may have.
8. You said,( From memory the same abysmal uptake happened when Telstra trialled ADSL down there too ).
Firstly, I am using it at the moment, have done so for years.
Secondly, I worked for Telecom/ Telstra for 15 years at senior management level, and have never heard of ADSL being trialed, It was made available and the uptake is immense Australia wide which includes Tasmania.
Thirdly, Tasmanians pay taxes like all other law abiding Australians.
Finally you said, (Tasmanians just aren’t interested in technology, not when you can be scouring the local newspapers for underage prostitute ads.)
Tasmania has numerous Call Centres of National Companies, also many major companies are based within Tasmania.
Betfair for one, Woolworths for another bases it’s supplies / Warehouse co-ordination from Hobart.
Betfair is internationally based, Woolworths, you may have heard of.
Then their is Cadbury’s, 2 National Breweries, ( Cascade & Boags ), Atlantic Salmon companies, INCAT ( international cataraman company )
which has ships all over the world including the U.S. Navy.
Also, Tasmania has, The Sydney To Hobart Yacht Race, Targa, Hawthorn playing games here,V8 Supercars; All of which require the use of advanced technology. There are many others.
Admit it, you would love to live in Tasmania but can’t.
Those that agree with the above, give him hell.
August 22nd, 2010 at 7:59 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Well if you want personal ancedote to pass as facts, I’ve stayed in accommodation ranging from Crown in Melbourne to places in Daylesford and never had a paper given to me as part of the service.
And despite staying in paid accommodation extensively in Taiwan, nobody is offering me free newspapers here either.
Not saying it doesn’t happen or that my personal experience is blanket fact it doesn’t happen, but no… I can’t say I’ve received newspapers as part of my paid accommodation.
I don’t even get the point your making here. She was an underage prostitute. One doesn’t negate the other and they aren’t mutually exclusive.
Seriously, did you even read the article? They are one in the same in the context of this news story.
I don’t care if people use prostitutes in Tasmania or elsewhere… underage prostitutes however and the fact that 100+ men got to her in a few months out of a relatively small population is where my beef with Tasmania’s locals originated.
I don’t know about you but I’d hardly call jumping on a plane local or convenient. It’s a trip, no different from travelling from regional Victoria to Melbourne.
The very fact that you have to jump on a plane should be an indication of Tasmania’s relative isolation itself.
Should be within 30 minutes, for me it’s always been less then 20 mins but I was bicycle commuting. Wonder what the average distance is for a Tasmanian work commute (distance, not time as the lower population isn’t a fair comparison).
Acess to utilities doesn’t negate geographical isolation. You’re lucky Australia is quite resourceful, otherwise I’d imagine Tasmania’s government investment (other than in resource mining like WA) would be quite low.
I wouldn’t expect Telstra management to have a clue about the running of the company. Back when I was on Bigpond Cable (late 90s) ADSL was first trialled in Tasmania and despite attractive pricing (an unlimited data quota too I think) and a heavy government subsidy, the uptake was minimal.
My memory might be a bit hazy but this was way back before ADSL was available in Victoria. It was heavily discussed on the Bigpond user newsgroups at the time (alt.bigpond.users).
What does any of this have to do with technology? Any pleb can sit on a phone and read off a script.
Then you go and list a whole bunch of low skill labor job markets… You hardly need to embrace technology to brew beer, make chocolate or build a ship (note build, not design).
Again what do any of these have to do with the uptake of technology by Tasmanians??
Even if there was a heavy subsidy on living in Tasmania you couldn’t convince me to move there.
August 23rd, 2010 at 3:21 pm kattie(Quote)
I am not trying to imply that all of these men were visitors or such, but there is a distinct possibility that a small percentage could be out of towners becasue men use such services whilst away from home. I personally know of men who have used prostitutes when on business trips and NO not tasmanian men!
Pull your head out of your ass and see the bigger picture! Stuff like this happens all over the world every second of everyday and the fact these morons were caught and charged for pimping out this poor girl is a good thing because now she will at least get some sort of support from government agencies.
How many young girls and boys working somewhere like kings cross get the help they need? How many of theirs pimps have been arrested and sent down?? you wouldn’t know because it is front page news when it happens.. surely that in itself tells you something!! Seems to me you could be a bit small minded strange!
August 23rd, 2010 at 4:02 pm kattie(Quote)
I have to disagree, my daughter brought home a friend a few years back who was twelve but had a body that made me blush!
I did not believe she was only twelve and actually double checked with her mother as she had the face and body of a girl several years older. She was an exception to how girls at 12 look but probably not the only one out there either.
August 23rd, 2010 at 11:10 pm bushrat(Quote)
For what it’s worth in this discussion, many years ago I spent four years driving cabs in Sydney on night shift, followed by many years of security work, and there were and probably still are, a hell of a lot of girls (and boys) this young involved in prostitution. Poor bloody kids being used by old pedo’s, but as wrong as it is, it’s nothing new, and certainly not restricted to any one place.
There are bloody sicko’s everywhere, and in any case what would it matter if they WERE all Tasmanian? This hardly provides a reason to generalise about the entire states population does it?
By the way, which people are better, those with blue eyes, or those with brown eyes?
August 24th, 2010 at 1:55 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
@Kattie
Some yes, I’ll concede the possibility. We both agree though that the vast majority would have most likely been locals though.
I have no idea, I guess it depends on how many underage boys and girls are selling themselves here in Australia. I was under the impression it wasn’t as widespread as people here are making it out to be.
I mean if anyone can just walk down the street and solicit the services of an underage child in Australia, then why the hell fly to Cambodia or Thailand to have sex with minors?
It does raise the question of why this particular instance was front page news. I imagine it was due to the shock value the story carries, which in itself is an indication of how rare this activity is. At least that’s how I’d look at it.
If underage prostitution in Australia was widespread you’d the media wouldn’t have made a frontpage story out of it.
@bushrat
Oh, oh I know this one. Blue eyes, blue eyes!
People with brown eyes are terrorists.
August 24th, 2010 at 8:32 am kattie(Quote)
It was front page news here because of its rarity, over there it just wouldn’t make the news because it is a much more common occurence.
August 24th, 2010 at 10:51 am bushrat(Quote)
OH SHIT! Is THAT why I dislike the way we do things in Australia?
August 24th, 2010 at 2:39 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
@kattie
Uh it was frontpage news nationally, not just in Tasmania.
August 24th, 2010 at 5:03 pm kattie(Quote)
Right well can’t say I pick up any national papers cause they are usually full of b.s. goes to show that it is a rare thing though especially here.
August 24th, 2010 at 5:16 pm bushrat(Quote)
All of which proves my original statement. Villians are far more visible and transparent in Tasmania than on the mainland…………….
Much to the advantage of the good people of Tasmania, as they are easier to find and punish!
August 25th, 2010 at 3:36 pm kattie(Quote)
Too true Bushrat
August 25th, 2010 at 5:16 pm bushrat(Quote)
Yair, I’m over it!
September 8th, 2010 at 4:53 pm john(Quote)
I was born in Tasmania and will never go back there to live.
My family members suffered paedophile offences being committed against them. I have first hand knowledge of this.
I know for a fact that there is a vast and very powerful criminal paedophile network that receives protection from the police force and others in apparent positions of responsibility. These affiliated networks are incredibly incestuos and gain their power by blackmailing various officials who are struck with similar afflictions.
They breed like crazy because they see their children as livestock, money earners and the source of their power.
These children exist primarily to feed the networks needs and are trained as such.
They have and are still multiplying exponentially.
They place network members and past victims in positions within the prison service, police force and other authorities in order to facilitate their requirements for power.
As an example there was a 15 yr old boy who shot and seriously wounded several police officers with a rifle from his house during the nineties in launceston. The reason he gave for this was because his father had raped his young girlfriend. The police declined to prosecute or publicise this fact.
They are organised, wealthy and connected! And very, very, criminal.
Be afraid, be very afraid. If you have children in Tasmania and you are not of this persuasion leave, like I did.
If you are of this persuasion – be afraid. We know. We are coming for you.
September 8th, 2010 at 8:17 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Wow, those are some hefty claims right there!
If true it sounds totally messed up.
September 9th, 2010 at 7:56 pm bushrat(Quote)
And be assured that NO STATE has a monopoly on this sort of thing………………………
September 9th, 2010 at 8:48 pm kattie(Quote)
If it were to be true then surely it would be spread across the country not just concentrated here? After all there are far more isolated places in say WA and NT than Tas?? @bushrat I agree no one state has a monopoly on this sick behaviour!
September 9th, 2010 at 9:09 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Hello government protected remote Aboriginal child abuse camps!
September 9th, 2010 at 11:25 pm CHEMOSA(Quote)
If it is true, that you were a victim; I hope you are now in a better situation.
If as I suspect it is a gross exageration of the facts,;
unless you were totally isolated from the rest of Tasmania.
The incident in Launceston to which you refer, I’ve never heard of, but if a complaint was made; it would have to go through the due process, meaning that every law enforcement agency in Tasmania would be party to what you allege.
Given that it is impossible to believe that, it casts severe doubts as to the veracity of your claims.
Further as an example; if you go to a school of 1400 students; as I did; you may not know all the other students; but humans being just that; if something scandalous happens,the whole school knows about it.
We had some scandals, in my 4 years there, ( years 7 to 10 ). but not of this type.
My school was the biggest High School in Tasmania then and as such would have been a prime target for peodophiles.
I’m not naive or stupid enough to say it didn’t happen,but I can say if it did, it was rare.
If as you say you moved from Tasmania because of it, all you have done is move to a bigger pond with many more players; with in all likelihood a far less chance of the offenders being caught, let alone prosecuted successfully.
I regularly see that Paedophile cases are in the news in N.S.W. and Queensland in particular, no exaggeration at all there.
Using your logic, everyone in Belgium is a Peadophile which is akin to saying every racehorse from Gundiwindi will be as good as Gunsynd; or every cricketer from Bowral will be the next Don Bradman.
Making a point is fine, gross exaggeration makes it worthless.
If you know for a “fact” that what allege is true, what did you do about it ?
Ignorance of such things implicates you in the activities you appear to dislike. NONSENSICAL !
September 10th, 2010 at 12:05 am bushrat(Quote)
Yair, I reckon kill ‘em all and let whatever god we choose to believe in sort ‘em out. If the bastards are dead it makes it kind of hard for them to re-offend.
Also a GREAT deterrent!
September 28th, 2010 at 11:33 pm Andrea(Quote)
Victoria is the child prostitution capital of Australia. Underaged prostitutes have been found in legal brothels there as well as on the street.
Men’s demand and willingness to pay more for underaged or ‘barely legal’ prostitutes is actually very common in street level prostitution. The idea that these men didn’t know she was under 18 is unlikely. Most men will cry ignorance when caught out, but the fact that the child is underaged is the entire appeal a lot of the time.
My heart breaks for this girl. It’s absolutely disgusting that a hundred men get to walk away from what they did to her, back to their nice lives, their partners, friends and families, without even a slap on the wrist.
September 29th, 2010 at 2:57 am CHEMOSA(Quote)
Andrea, I totally agree with your comments, it is irrelevant in which state it occurred, as you can see, some less thinking people choose to label it Tasmania’s problem.
It is just as serious a crime, whether it occurs in Tasmania, or not; and as you have suggested, it is not the sole domain of Tasmania, let alone Australia.
Many Australians have travelled to lesser developed countries to access even younger people.
Poignantly, they are not all Australians, and obviously not all Tasmanians.
The families involved have never really embraced what the majority of Tasmanians, Australians, Humans, regard as acceptable.
It is an unfortunate combination of people; wrong place wrong time.
It is totally sad, but even though it is of little help overall; at least Tasmania’s authorities managed to deal with the main instigators, the prosecution of the various participants, not all of whom were Tasmanian, would be a futile exercise without total co-operation of all involved.
That will never happen.
September 30th, 2010 at 2:27 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
Regardless of where they came from, it seems the 100 odd men who had sex with the girl are going to get off scott free (no pun intended);
Seems to be because the men will be most likely to use the ‘but she was advertised as legal’ defense the police aren’t going to bother, along with the requirement of having the girl testify in 100+ cases.
Surely if there was a case to push for the amendment or suspension of ‘I thought she was legal’ defence when it comes to prostitution this is it. I imagine 100 pedophilia cases rocking up to court and getting knocked back on technicalities would hopefully send a strong message to the lawmakers of Australia.
Meanwhile I’m kinda curious as to what this pertains to;
Wonder if it’s got something to do with MP Terry Martin’s alleged child pornography charges for filming the girl in action.
September 30th, 2010 at 6:07 pm CHEMOSA(Quote)
You have already identified a defense that would be used; and in some cases they may well have believed it.
Previous writers have said she looked much older than her years, as for her giving evidence, only the do-gooders who won’t be too concerned about future events around Australia would accept that as an excuse.
There are already ways for victims to give evidence via Video etc.; that is not as traumatic.
I somehow think, giving evidence would not necessarily be a problem for this individual, secondly; you are assuming she will tell the truth.
Perhaps in this case the authorities know it is a futile exercise due to the above.
Your last paragraph is by inuendo suggesting that Martin would have some influence over the process.
He has as much influence on Tasmania in general as Winston Churchill has now; he was a very minor politician who abused his office it seems.
He could not influence any decision of any kind.
October 2nd, 2010 at 2:58 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
I’m not saying it wouldn’t be used but surely a 100 of these cases being presented to court sends a pretty strong message of the ridiculousness of the protection offered to pedophiles in cases such as this.
One of the guys was pushing was the ability to temporarily suspend the ‘but I thought she was legal’ defense in cases such as this. 100 cases being very publicly showcased would do wonders for their cause I’d imagine.
I wasn’t suggesting he had any part in the decision to legally supress the details of the mentioned action (if indeed it is related to him), but rather curiosity as to why the courts have decided to supress information regarding the second case.
Given his high profile I reckon there’s a good chance it’s the action involving Martin but can’t say with any certainty. I’m certainly not suggesting he pulled some strings to have details deliberately withheld.
October 2nd, 2010 at 3:53 am CHEMOSA(Quote)
The two points you raised are valid; depending on the amount of previous knowledge that you are aware of and more recent developments which you may not be aware of.
Based on the posting that you made, as I said quite valid; no argument.
The first point is concerning 7 people that have been identified, the head of the prosecution of this issue, appeared on ABC T.V.on Stateline; Friday Night; (Tasmanian Edition ) stating without quoting directly, that some numbers that have been put around, were exaggerated.
The phone calls enquiring about the girl did not necessarily, which includes 3 Police Officers who have been cleared of any wrongdoing; did not have any direct contact with the girl
For whatever reason they rang, which could well be the same person more than once is open open to speculation.
I understand that the seven individuals have been interviewed and accordingly they cannot be succesfuly prosecuted, with the defence that she had been advertised as of age, and also could easily believed to be of age.
I am in no way defending the people involved, just that due process would not have produced the result that most people would want.
And as I mentioned previously, there was no certainty the girl would verify the truth.
Regarding Martin;
Once again I agree, but given our judicial system, the fact that he is apparently seriously ill, would also make it difficult to get the result most of Australia would like.
Not right, but people such as Bond, Skase, Adler and Elliot used loopholes that most other people would not be able to.
Different crimes but same principle.
Finally, Devine was in court in the last fortnight on charges relating to something else; the details I am not aware of.
Also there will be charges laid in the very near future which are relevant to Devine; I believe.
April 30th, 2011 at 5:48 pm Tasmanian(Quote)
I’d just like to point out that crime rates are based on the rate of reportion, and not all crimes committed are discovered or reported. If you look at rape the rates are low because no one reports it.
Tasmania is a big place, but in comparison to the mainland. We’re tiny. However it doesn’t matter where you live (Tasmania, US, Taiwan) or how big the population is, you will always get some sort of sick depraved criminal.
Pedophilia is a worldwide issue, and its not always images and video. I mean the people living next the Son of Sam didn’t know he was the Son of Sam. What are you basing you opinion on?
If you’ve ever learnt about puberty, which I hope you have, you’ll have been told some girls develope a lot faster than others. Some girls start going through puberty at the age of ten, that’s a hell of a head start.
On the subject of Martin Bryant, if you didn’t know most people incarcerated have some degree of mental illness. Martin Bryant has Aspergers, which could have been treated had they realised it during his childhood ( as he had been to many professionals about his hyperactive behaviour during his childhood). He was only diagnosed when he was first imprisoned. If you look at it objectively, it could have been avoided.
As for crime in Tasmania, we have a low crime rate and it is because of our small population. However, people are people whereever you go…the basis that ‘Tasmania is full of prostitue loving pedophiles’ is a pretty insulting generalization.
Tasmania is a great place to live, but we have the same problem as anyone else. I mean (from what I gather you live on the mainland??? or in Taiwan???)
What about that little girl, Kiesha Abrahams, she was six year old when she was murdered. Her mother and her mother’s partner the culprits. That’s pretty wrong, I mean really…
Anyway, I am offended by you just generalizing Tasmania as what you have. The Devines are an infamous family in Tasmania and it isn’t suprising that he was involved in something as disgusting as this. Just remember the girl was a willing participant, and I think that is an important factor people don’t take into consideration.
So…think before you blog I suppose, I mean your entittled to your opinion but that’s not excuse for being rude and offensive.
Cheers,
May 1st, 2011 at 1:59 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Two parents is hardly the equivalent of over one hundred men (known to police) sleeping with an underage prostitute.
If over a hundred parents all of a sudden decided to murder their children in any one state then yeah, that state itself might be very well ‘full of child murdering parents’.
That’s no real excuse. We deem children as incapable of making such decisions, whether she consented or not is irrelevant.
I don’t make excuses for the way in which I write. If my opinion is rude and offensive then so be it.
November 4th, 2011 at 2:54 pm Circles(Quote)
Soapbox, you have some really bias views about Tassie there.
You’re talking like it’s just a couple hundred blokes siting around on a piece of rock a hundred metres long fucking twelve year olds.
You’re an idiot, obviously. But really you’ve just been sucked into the whole “state hate” system.
We probably get it the worst.
I thought we were one country? I thought we were Australia?
Not a bunch of kids squabbling over “whose dad is better”
You’re acting like a child and criticising a place that if you had been to, (which I doubt) you obviously didn’t pay much attention, a place that you don’t know very much about at all.
I’m not standing up for the people involved in this story but I will stand up for this state because the mainland dumps a bunch of bulshit on us all the time, maybe to make up for their own inadequacies, I don’t know.
There are criminals here but there’s criminals everywhere, I wasn’t aware it was a competition to see who has the most?
But if it is, I’m sure you guys are winning.
Anyway this is all I’m going to say.
You don’t really seem to be able to listen to what other people have to say though soap.
So I doubt you’re going to say anything worth replying to anyway.
Seeya.
November 4th, 2011 at 3:00 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Yes… and?
Sorry but I’m not seeing your point there.
We are. A bunch of pedophiles doesn’t change that.
And you’re telling me not to criticise Tasmania because it’s part of Australia. Because that makes sense…
Also I’ve been to Tasmania…. and if you know what trees and grass looks like there’s nothing much to see.
You can try to appeal to people’s sense of nationalistic pride in order to brush off what happened, but that still doesn’t change the fact that proportionately, this particular incdient is a huge overrepresentation of pedophiles in Tasmania.
November 22nd, 2011 at 1:17 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
Well, former MP Terry Martin has been nailed;
At least that’s something.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:14 pm Daniel(Quote)
Most tasmanians are nice people, very kind-hearted
I seldom get attacted or abused when I’m walking in public roads.
I’m an Asian.
March 10th, 2012 at 6:09 am Whatthehell(Quote)
@ Daniel, I’m not sure if you’ve been in many of the other Australian cities, but I’m curious as to which are the more racist cities in Aus.
March 29th, 2012 at 7:32 pm Patrick(Quote)
We escaped from Tasmania after nearly 5 yrs there. Our observations are. It is a beautiful place to holiday, why live there.
We found a massive undercurrent of people with massive logs on their shoulders. Their indignant screams of entitlement still ring in our ears. We found people were very friendly if they had a use for you or could rip you off. Otherwise they did not want to know you.
Drug culture is rife. You can go to Eastlands SC and take you pick of drugs. It’s like the dealers set up stands with their wares on show! It is sad place, bankrupt and runs on nepotism.
Also most goods and services are massively over inflated in price and lacking in service quality. So what Devine did is fairly standard, he just got caught.
The only good thing is that he had the crap beaten out of him in jail and he is on 23 hr lockdown.
March 30th, 2012 at 1:36 pm ausGeoff(Quote)
From The Mercury 5 December 2011:
—This raises the obvious question: If Steve Fisher knows the identities of any other paedophiles—even those in high places—does he not have a duty of disclosure?
Why does he say that he “can’t” say who was involved? Exactly why not Mr Fisher? Surely the absolute protection of the most vulnerable members of our society is worth far more than any negative political repercussions.
And I’m more than certain that the community would manage to cope with being “shocked” by the disclosures if it warranted the apprehension of these paedophiles—even if only one of them.
April 8th, 2012 at 4:14 pm TASSIE - LET DOWN(Quote)
As a Tasmanian i am totally disgusted at the outcome of this Terry Martin case. It is simple BULLSHIT that this person and the other men involved are not in jail now.
Locals here expected all the men involved to be charged and found guilty and to receive a jail sentence. Lots and lots of people who know Terry Martin now know he is a disgusting pig where as most people just thought he was a creep before this case became known and worse still some people thought he was a trustworthy person.
All decent people living in this state are horrified by the way this case was conducted. The excuse that the girl looked older makes no difference. Commit the crime – do the time.
I actually believe the reason this girl was so “popular” was because she was 12yo. Its not fair on the rest of the community to allow pedophiles (my description of them) to be LET GO to roam unidentified.
Tasmania deserved better from our so called legal system. WE WERE LET DOWN.
April 8th, 2012 at 7:48 pm TaiwanTeacher(Quote)
It appears that this disgusting problem is NOT restricted to Tasmania. Why criticise only one region, when pedophilia is rampant and accepted throughout Australia?
April 8th, 2012 at 10:08 pm Bushrat(Quote)
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it AGAIN, bring in the death penalty for these arseholes – the dead cant re-offend.
Thats a truly scary video clip “Teacher”, and shit! Surprise, he aint in Tassie!!
Yep, good old Sydney town. All fucking pedo’s should be hung. Natural justice would be appropriate.