Why care soo much?: The question that always comes to my mind is ‘why care so much about what Muslims do, eat, wear, belief in?’

Simply because if we (Australians) don’t “care so much” about the devious ways in which Islam is attempting to infiltrate our secular society, and insidiously subvert our laws and moral standards, then there’s a slight—but real—chance that we’ll be overrun by these nutjobs somewhere down the track.

—And another easy answer…

Why care soo much?: I honestly don’t get why people pick on them Muslims so much? is it jealousy? what is it?

Jealousy? Yeah, I’m really, truly jealous of women being stoned and nor being allowed to drive a car and being forced to cover their entire bodies in public. I’m also jealous of not being allowed to drink alcohol, or eat certain foodstuffs. I’m also jealous that I’d be forbidden from obtaining an interest-bearing loan. I’m also jealous that I’d be unable to accept or donate body organs, that I’d not be allowed euthanasia, or that I’d have to be circumcised. Again, I’m jealous that I’d be prohibited from working in factories that make alcohol, in meat-packing plants that package pork, or in entertainment venues that serve alcohol.

And the thinkers among us don’t simply “pick” on Muslims like kids taunting each other in the shoolyard. We expose the many practical lifestyle shortcomings, the outright lies, the inhumane aspects of the Islamic faith, the distorted perceptions of good and evil, and the underlying, insidious hatred of (we) infidels.

—It’s more than obvious you “don’t get it”…

Why care soo much?: So, its not okay for someone send you a rude email, but its okay for you to be disrespectful to this group of people…I don’t get this?

It’s perfectly okay for someone to send me a “rude” email—and I’ll respond as I see fit—either with a constructive defence, or in kind, depending on its content. Common courtesy and respect requires that we shouldn’t send each other offensive emails, but it’s simply idealistic to think it’s not going to happen at some stage.

I think you’re taking the word “disrespect” too literally in your posting. I’m not aware that I’ve shown any disrespect for Muslims, either as faceless individuals, or personally on this blog. I’ve simply pointed out—as a non-Muslim—the serious shortcomings and contradictions that I perceive in the Islamic faith—with respect to our largely-secular, democratic and egalitarian 21st-century society.

I’ll ask you a simple question: Why are Muslim women regarded by males as second-class citizens? And please don’t tell me it’s because they (the women) choose to be treated so.

—And this comment is just plain silly…

Why care soo much?: Remember ‘There is a black sheep in every flock’. Hitler is German but that doesn’t mean all Germans are like him right?

Are you admitting that there are evil Muslims out there (black sheep)? How can you be sure that those few evil Muslims aren’t exerting that same overpowering influence over the “good” Muslims that Hitler exerted over the “good” Germans?

—Thank you for the advice…

Why care soo much?: Also, its very important that you think before you act and make sure you know something/someone extremely well before you talk about it/them.

As it turns out, I do know a lot about the Islamic faith. I’m a lifelong atheist (more than 50 years), and have studied both the Bible and the Qur’an at various times—often to counter criticism of my atheism from orthodox religionists.

You quote Hitler as an evil man. Did you know him personally? I thought not. I certainly don’t have to know the leader of the Islamic group Supporters of Tawheed—Abu Hajar—to know that he’s an evil man.

I quote him thusly:

“[Our] core belief is the domination of the world by Islam.

We think democracy is not acceptable.”

… And finally, I’m somewhat bemused that you’re apparently such an active apologist for the Islamic faith—evidenced by your posting at some length here. Any particular reason?

Just a bunch of emotional whinging from someone who evidently would prefer to bury their head in the sand rather than risk offending someone with an opinion.

Yawn.

I honestly dont get why people pick on them muslims soo much? is it jealousy? what is it?
I’m pretty sure there are other things in your life that are worth spending your time on! Other than picking on a particular community/ a group of people.

SO, its not okay for someone send you a rude email, but its okay for you to be disrespectful to this group of people…..i dont get this?? but i know ‘you should treat people the way you want to be treated’…..

some people have tried to say lots of bad things about these people and their religion and will keep saying rubbish….but be sure this wont affact them, i found them to be the smart, honest, loyal, faithful………..etc

Remember ‘There is a black sheep in every flock’…Hitler is German but that doesnt mean all Germans are like him right? thats the same with every single society.

Don’t judge the book by its cover (something you will need to consider and apply).
A small advice: your life is worth your time, once time is gone you wont get it back so waste it on something good and worth it. Also, its very important that you think before you act and make sure you know something/ someone extremely well before you talk about it/them.

sorry for the lengthy comment.
cheers

Muslim: Oz you are an ignorant, arrogant and stupid atheist animal.

It’s also reassuring to know that Muslims truly have humanity’s best interests at heart too…

Muslim: I pray that you receive the full punishment that Allah has appointed for disgusting animals like you and may you burn in the deepest pits of hell.

It should also be remembered that Muhammad (by current social standards) was a paedophile; his child bride Aisha herself said—

“Allah’s Apostle married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.”

Admitted to his house is, of course, a nice way of saying Muhammad consummated their marriage.

And Muslim reckons we atheists are “a bunch of disgusting creatures that are worse then dogs.”

I haven’t stopped laughing.

Oh and for all you peace loving muslims out there, here’s an email I received shortly after the above comment was made;

You are lower then a piece of shit, you haver no knowledge, you and your family are ignorant arrogant and disgusting animals that are worse then dog’s.

I have no respect for any piece of shit, atheist dog like you and if you ever thought you had a point, why not debate a muslim scholar our sheikh, one like the muslim sheikh from belmore mosque??? Our are you little prefer of crap coward??? I take it you take after your parents which are both cowards that need to be stoned to death.

I yourf half a man, approach a muslim clerick and debate him. You are nothing but a piece of shit. Go fuck yourself, you and every atheist dog like yourself.

Wonderful.

For whoever is being nice to this filthy animal then surely I pity you. How can you make sense with an animal that denies religion and speaks without knowledge. Surely you and your family (your family in belief, religion comes before blood) will burn in this world and the hereafter because you all are a bunch of disgusting creatures that are worse then dogs.

I pray that you receive the full punishment that Allah has appointed for disgusting animals like you and may you burn in the deepest pits of hell.

Eyad: Regrettably, Taliban, Al-Qaeda, fanatic Muslims (& biased media) have distorted Islam. Out of 1.6 billion Muslims they are a minority but have done great damage.

The singular driving force of Islam is to destroy all the “infidels”, that is, anybody and everybody other than Muslims. And to do that, Muslims have no qualms about dealing in murder and mayhem.

I’m not going into the pros and cons of Islam and its adherents and the Quran… it’s already been done to death here and elsewhere.

Suffice it to say that if you truly believe the threat of Islamic global dominance is confined only to Al-Qaeda and a few radical fundamentalists, then you’re sadly misinformed or choosing to deny the obvious.

so now every body is accusing Islam because of a bunch of idiots who keep on killing any body does not agree with them

Not quite.

so now every body is accusing Islam because of a bunch of idiots who keep on killing any body does not agree with Islam.

Given that muslims do just a good job of promoting ‘one islam’, I think that’s pretty much the problem right there.

you migrated into a country and try to enforce your own laws

un acceptable !!!!

but on the other hand , why so many people are getting on islam !!!!

Regrettably, Taliban, Al-Qaeda,fanatic Muslims (& biased media) have distorted Islam,Out of 1.6 billion Muslims they are a minority but have done great damage.

so now every body is accusing Islam because of a bunch of idiots who keep on killing any body does not agree with them and at the end they kill each others I hope they will vanish each other

dbanj: And yes i am religious but i am just tired of people:
Killing each other

Raping little boys

Stealing money etc in the name of religion

Totally agree.

My opinions

You are to abide by the laws of any country you are in… the government is not religious and its laws are sovereign..

Sincerely Australian laws are very fair to all religions so demanding more would be killing it,

I am quite suprised at people who try to enforce there own laws in a country they migrated to, seriously ?

Long story short , Obey the law and stop pointing fingers at every other religion , cos every religion has its issue’s

And yes i am religious but i am just tired of people:
Kiling each other
raping little boys
Stealing money etc in the name of religion

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@moe

Please take your lebo pride bullshit drivel elsewhere. I don’t usually remove comments but accusing people of eating shit is just wasting everybody’s time.

Perhaps it’s just impossible to have a salad for lunch….

ozsoapbox: carrying on about your lebo pride like a pork chop.

This comment is absolute gold Oz! It’s so outrageously appropriate to accuse a Muslim of behaving like a pig. 10/10!

Jojo: For example, usury is prohibited not just in Islam but also in Christianity, as is the consumption of alcohol.

Usury has been allowed by Christians since the mid-16th century.

Alcohol consumption prohibited for Christians? Nope.

From IIIM Magazine Online 01-22-2007:

“Alcohol is a good gift of God that is rightly used in the Eucharist and for making the heart merry, and while its dangers are real, it may be used wisely and moderately rather than being shunned or prohibited because of potential abuse.”

usury has been allowed by christians mate it says in there holy bible . they who deal with usury should not be sheltered on the day of judgement Usury has been allowed by Christians since the mid-16th century. then they are just playing with gods words,these men are changing gods laws to suit them. thats why muslims and christians always argue they have been changing there words to please the peoples ears so they can try and have a easy life.

ausgeoff… Alcohol is a good gift of God that is rightly used in the Eucharist and for making the heart merry, and while its dangers are real, it may be used wisely and moderately rather than being shunned or prohibited because of potential abuse.”

Paul said in Romans 14:13-23 that the Kingdom of God is not about food and drink, but whatever we do we must not be a stumbling block to others. So if drinking alcohol could cause another Christian to stumble and become drunk then we should not drink.

Well Scientology was created by a failed science fiction author looking to make money… enough said. I’m just never going to be able to take it seriously.

That and all the illegal activity they’ve gotten up to.

As for Islam, it seems to be ingrained in the religion itself that it’s just simply not compatible with non-believers or people from different religions. There seems to be a very strong ‘it’s our way or no way’ culture ingrained into it’s followers.

This is either a massive co-incidence worldwide or a result of what the religion itself teaches.

@moe

that means you didnt pay attention to when he says theres no history or evidence of science before.

Sorry what? You’re claiming science didn’t exist before the Quran?! You mean nobody ever observed anything or used their environment to better their lives before the Quran was written?

That’s a mighty big claim, and naturally completely full of shit.

your just plain arrogant. maybe you should learn some manners from jojo and maybe me too although jojo is a atheist you can see the respect he has towards other people and there beliefs.

Oh please, don’t try and hide behind other readers. Respect is earnt and thus far you’ve done little to earn it – carrying on about your lebo pride like a pork chop.

and why is it when one of your followers catch you out on what you really think ,you completely change and twist your words around and say something that satisfys them?

I wasn’t aware I’d been caught out and changing and twisting my words…? Go back and read what I said. I might be a little more polite in conversing with others, but as I’m sure you can appreciate they haven’t warned me that my daughters are imminently about to be stuffed with ‘lebo dick’ and such.

so your saying you would like to have 2 mothers or 2 fathers, thats whats being forced upon them that they would never be able to expeirence a father figure or so on

How can you not experience a father figure when you have two fathers? As for lesbians, plenty of hetro couples break up, abuse their kids or otherwise miserably fail at being parents.

How about we just ban parenthood altogether? If a kid has a better shot at life rather than being put in an orphanage or the foster care system then more power to gay adoption I say.

I couldn’t care less about your silly religious beliefs from the dark ages towards homosexuals.

this migtht me nothing to you but have you thought about the life they would have even at school?

This would only be a problem if the school was populated by uneducated religious fanatics like yourself.

ill stop with this just listen to this man he would make you question yourself

Mate I don’t need religion to tell me the purpose of life or why I’m here. I’m here because my parents got horny one night and wanted kids. My life is what I make of it and its purpose, if any, is solely at my own discretion.

“Go shove a fork in your eye, SIR! With all due respect, you’re an idiot! My most esteemed OzSoapbox, please be informed that I hate your guts!” etc.

Last time someone talked to me like that it was a Jew. I don’t come much in contact with the mudslimes/is-slimes around here in SE China though.

The place of alcohol in righteous homes of old was a preservative for standing water that was to be drunk. Good folks have no time to go abusing preservatives or herbs used as medicine. They’re too busy doing constructive things to go get messed up. And mystics need all the brain power they can to have good meditation and connection with the spirit world.