Observing Muslim holidays in Australia is a crap idea
Every so often in Australia we get some minority group spokesperson stand up and declare the current injustice of the day as the worst thing to ever happen to anyone. For the most part the general public listen, nod, pretend to care and then go back to their daily lives.
Indians complain about getting bashed every second day, Jewish societies claim Kyle Sandilands concentration camp comments were the worst thing to happen to Jewish people since the holocaust and there’s always the Aboriginals who just complain about everything given any opportunity.
Just over a week ago now, the latest whinge came from ‘leading Muslim spokesperson’ Keysar Trad. I can’t help but wonder if ‘leading Muslim spokesperson’ is the new politically correct term for sheik but in any case, Trad believes Australia should observe the two most important Muslim public holidays.
Initially my reaction was to dismiss Trad’s remarks as yet another attempt to inroad Muslim culture into mainstream Australian society. After some thought I figured well fair enough. Australia isn’t really a Christian nation so why not entertain the idea of different religious holidays?
Not knowing what the two most important Muslim public holidays were (the news.com.au article conveniently leaves them out), I hit up Wikipedia.
Seriously, instead of the stereotypical dismissive ‘go live in some country that celebrates Muslim holidays this is Australia’, has anyone actually bothered to look at their religious holidays?
I still have no idea which are the main public holidays in Islam but I’m going to assume Wikipedia lists them in order of importance.
Ashura
Ashura is commemorated by Shi’a Muslims on the ninth and tenth day of Muharram on the Islamic Calendar. Ashura is an Arabic word meaning “ten”, and according to Sunni schools of thought it is a day of optional fasting. Jews in the city of Madina fasted only one day, (on Yom Kippur the 10th of Tishrei) so the Prophet Muhammad would fast too.
For Shi’a Muslims this is a day of mourning.
An optional day of fasting that is also a day of mourning.
No offense guys but a public holiday isn’t something I want to waste sitting around not eating and being sad over. Sure most people don’t celebrate the religious side of Christmas and Easter etc. but Islam doesn’t exactly have the best track record for not taking itself seriously.
I don’t particularly want to be that guy who’s running around all happy stuffing my face with pork hotdogs getting greasy looks from all the fasting mourners out there. Suburban effigies and flag burning anyone?
With Easter there’s chocolate and Christmas has it’s presents. Exactly what are we supposed to be sharing or celebrating in a non-religious way during Ashura?
Laylat al-Qadr
Laylat al-Qadr is Arabic for “The Night of Power”. It falls on one of the last ten days of Ramadan on an odd numbered day. It is considered the holiest night of the year, since it is the night in which the Qur’an was first revealed. It is also considered better than a thousand months [Qur'an 97:1-3].
It is said that if a person performs voluntary worship on this night, that worship is equal to a thousand months or approximately 80 years.
Whilst a nighttime public holiday might sound like a novel idea, most people already have the night off so why the need for a daytime holiday? I appreciate if you’re working in a carpark or stocking shelves at Woolies but cmon really, there’s enough people who work overnight that we need to declare a holiday over it?
What the are us non religious types supposed to do? Typically we’d have a family lunch or dinner but Laylat al-Qadr falls during Ramadan, which is a month of no food between dawn and dusk.
Again with the suburban effigies and flag burning.
It seems every Islamic public holiday involves lots of praying and not eating food. Sorry guys but as far as spending my public holiday goes, sitting around being thankful for all the food I’m not eating just doesn’t cut it.
No offense, but take out the religious symbolism and Islam has some pretty crappy public holidays. They just don’t translate well into a secular setting.
Trad’s comments came after the New South Wales government passed laws prohibiting employers to demand that employees work on Australian public holidays. Presumably this is because some Muslims wanted to trade in their holidays for their much more significant Islamic holy days (or nights).
In theory this sounds all good and fair but the reality? What are you going to do, rock up on Christmas day to work and twiddle your thumbs because the rest of the country is off enjoying themselves?
Whatever we decide as a nation it should be uniform across the country. People are still free to take time off to celebrate their religious holidays but at a loss of holiday entitlement (annual leave).
Meanwhile if you want to entertain the idea that the nation should observe your religious holiday at least offer us some activity we can participate in without feeling like we’ve trampled on the meaning of the day.
Christmas and Easter can be safely celebrated without all the religious nonsense by sharing a good meal together and catching up. With fasting and prayer the centre point of Islamic holidays, I simply don’t see what muslims in Australia expect the rest of us will be doing with our newfound spare time on these days.
Anyone?





September 22nd, 2009 at 7:14 am Douglas(Quote)
To be honest i’ll start with the usual , i’m not racsist line , BUT , with the muslim stituation, and the problems all over the world , do we really want them here , i know alot are law abiding etc etc etc , but gees they cause trouble , burkas, sharia law, , then you have the middle eastern “youth” nothing but angry young men , why ? i have no idea , but the sooner the governmet puts a ban on migration from the middle east the better
September 22nd, 2009 at 8:07 am Elbowgrease(Quote)
Next it will be buddahs birthday and ron hubbard space cadet day. as far as im concerned all religion can GET STUFFED.
September 22nd, 2009 at 8:18 am Citizen-D(Quote)
It will never happen. Just some minority “spokesperson” looking for a little press.
September 22nd, 2009 at 8:35 am James(Quote)
I LoL’ed the whole segment when the Islamic spokesperson were justifying the need for the holiday on channel 9… seriously what are they thinking. And i want a holiday for octoberfest as well.. That i think most australians will agree on.
September 22nd, 2009 at 9:15 am Adam(Quote)
I think the two holidays they are pushing for are;
Eid ul-Fitr – Marks the end of Ramadan (the Islamic month of fasting) and the first day of Shawwal. Often just called Eid (meaning “festivity”).
Eid is a day long celebration often reffered to as a feast.
I have taken part in a low key Eid, with a small family of Muslims and it is a good experience but definitely not one that I think needs to be recognised as a public holiday. For us to understand it is like Christmas (without the gifts) a day of spending time with your family and feasting on good food of course there is a entirely different holy aspect to it as well.
The second one I believe is
Eid al-Adha which falls annually on the tenth day of the month of Dhul Hijja (Approx 70 days after the end of Ramadan).
I don’t know alot about this one but it normally lasts three days and is related to the pilgrimage to Mecca.
Both these holidays and all Muslim holidays need to be respected in our multi-cultural country but there is a difference between respect and having a national public holiday for it! Anyone should be able to take annual leave for any such religious holidays no question.
September 22nd, 2009 at 9:32 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
Sudan aside (the entire country is stuffed) I’m not for banning people from a region from migrating here. Having said that it is getting rather tiresome to have minorities push for change and national recognition every other day. I suppose this goes on everywhere though, well except in the middle east where it’s off to jail if you don’t observe the status quo.
I think most of our public holidays just wind up being Aussie oktoberfests anyway…
Hey Adam thanks for the clarification. That first one sounds ok but I imagine for most people it’s just going to be another ‘christmas/easter’ style get together. This isn’t a bad thing but ramadan strats slightly different every year doesn’t it? I can imagine this getting annoying. Easter too moves around but it’s usually the same time of year’ish.
From what I understand Ramadan over time cycles the entire year.
That second one seems to have the same problems as the two Wikipedia holidays. How are the majority going to celebrate a day honouring a pilgrimage to a place that means nothing to most people?
Then there’s the question of how many family dinner/lunches can some people stomach each year!
September 22nd, 2009 at 2:12 pm Adam(Quote)
Exactly, there is no need for another public holiday just for a get together for the vast majority of the population.
This often comes across harsh but if you choose to come and live in Australia or any country for that matter, shouldn’t you accept they way things are in that country and be thankful of the good things that you have moved to that country for without trying to impose your own religion or belief on others.
September 22nd, 2009 at 2:34 pm Vince(Quote)
Hey Adam, exactly what I was thinking. Nothing harsh about it.
This is Australia. If you don’t like it the way it is, you have the freedom…the freedom to leave. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
September 22nd, 2009 at 2:58 pm Phil(Quote)
The Chinese/Koreans/Japanese etc have an important holiday too. You don’t see them coming out and demanding that everyone else must get 2 weeks off.
And how that Sheik used Lebanon to justify his ideals is way off of what the majority in Australia thinks. This is Australia.
For the record I’m an immigrant, I love it here and I like it the way it is. I’m not about to impose my will or beliefs on anyone else. Nor will I be forced to observe some other minority’s beliefs.
You want your holiday? Take the day off. Aussies are very open and understanding, but not if you come off implying that we may be insulting you or your beliefs because we don’t happen to share them with you.
September 24th, 2009 at 9:10 pm DaveB(Quote)
Hell Yeah!!!!
September 27th, 2009 at 9:40 pm Steve(Quote)
I agree, also.
I’ve always thought the more sensible approach here is for employees and employers to communicate. “Hey boss, I’m $religious_faith. I don’t observe Christmas. Can I work Christmas and get $my_holy_day_of_wankery off instead?”
That seems like a great compromise that can benefit all parties involved.
November 24th, 2009 at 4:18 pm Tricia(Quote)
I don’t believe that we should be celebrating the Muslim holidays as they want, they come to Australia and say they want to be following our lifestyle so they can get their visas and then do the exact opposite. They treat Australian as if they are second class and that our land belongs to them only.
They bring their wars and disagreements to Australia, and then cry rasicm if they don’t get their own way.
Chinese governments are making the majority of the Chinese population to act the same.
Eventually Australia will be 80% majority as Asian Muslim’s and we will loose our Aussie identity completely.
January 6th, 2010 at 10:31 am Christie(Quote)
I can’t believe for one second that the debate on this topic has actually been about having Muslim holidays. The fact that you have referred to Keysar Trad as a leading muslim spokesperson I find to be more incredulous.
Haven’t you read the 2GB judgment. I think that it makes clear that he is little more than a self appointed self-styled spokesperson whom not even the Muslim community pay attention to.
When others do so, such as ozsoapbox, it only gives him greater satisfaction and spurs him on to launch even more diatribes.
January 6th, 2010 at 1:35 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Is it a failure on my part or the muslim community for not paying any attention to him?
If I strongly believed in something and some nutjob was had self declared himself as a public spokesperson of what I believed in then I’d be shouting him down at every chance I got.
All quiet on the western front here…
January 13th, 2010 at 4:09 pm Jo(Quote)
Hmm this seems like a pretty racist comment on your behalf tricia. You seem to be confusing the “REAL” muslim with that of a stereotype. Not all muslims come from overseas to get ‘visas’ many are born here as I’m sure you know (or not?). That’s just like suggesting all Australian’s are red-neck/hillbilly/wife-bashing/drunks. I’m not of Muslim faith but I’m sure we can all sympathise with the want to have our religious celebrations recognised. Maybe we should just get rid of easter and christmas and call it even?
No? Didnt think you’d like that.
January 13th, 2010 at 4:47 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
First of all muslim isn’t a race so how can criticising it be racist and secondly;
How is removing existing cultural practices (however non-religious and token they might in this day and age) “even”? If anything by removing these holidays the minority of muslims in this country would then owe the general population something.
And by general population I’m not insinuating that most of Australia is deeply Christian but that there’s a lot of Australian’s like me who couldn’t care less about the religious connotations of the holidays but instead value their tradition.
I’m in Taiwan at the moment and as much as Chinese New Year means nothing to me I’m not about to start demanding we get a Christmas holiday or abolish Chinese New Year to ‘call it even’.
Why?
Because I’m not part of some self imporant backwards religion from the dark ages.
January 13th, 2010 at 5:43 pm Jo(Quote)
What makes Islam so backwards? I’ve studied religion for many years trying to find one that suited me (to no avail) but that doesn’t mean that any of them are backward. It is your treatment of people following a faith other than yours that is “backward”.
I’m sure that if you truly value the tradition of holidays you can understand the want of muslims to have their holidays recognised. Especially if the tradition has been celebrated by a religion since the “dark ages” as you suggest.
Indeed, I do find it amusing this story has made it onto your site when there are far worse killings going on and for dumber reasons. Hence, the previous post on a man murdering his wife because she changed her facebook status to single.
You seem to think that the beheading of a woman after divorce is stereotypically muslim? Wow have you got alot of growing up to do. The ignorance of such a comment and the fact that it was in your article suggests you had ulterior motives when writing it. It therefore does not seem to me that the reason for writing this article was because you cared about this poor woman’s death or were appaled, but rather it was an oppourtunity to critise a religion.
January 13th, 2010 at 6:41 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Lets start off with Saudi Arabia… I honestly don’t know where to start what with the honor killings and rape victim nonsense that goes on there.
Then there’s Dubai and it’s no sex before marriage and no alcohol nonsense. I’m not a sex addict or alcoholic but I’m certainly not going to wear a burqa like it’s 1599.
Dubai in particular is laughable in that they try to project the image of modernity and seek out foreign investment into a draconian societal ruleset.
Ok take off your rose coloured western society academic glasses and go have a look at Islam in the middle east and Africa. Every week you’ve got stories about women dying for the stupidest of reasons (being rape victims amongst others).
The biggest gripe I have with the religion is the treatment of women. They basically just wind up being human cannon fodder for men to do with as they please.
Overseas we have honor killings and the burqa (and please don’t respond with ‘oh but the burqa is women’s empowering’ crap). Here in Australia clerics telling muslims it’s ok to beat your wife because she doesn’t put out or that women deserve to be raped like uncovered meat if they don’t burqa up.
Believe me there’s no ulterior motives when writing articles here. This is a blog and my soapbox at that, the topics vary depending on what I’m doing and what’s going on in the world.
January 13th, 2010 at 7:05 pm Jo(Quote)
As I am aware, Islam is not the only religion that prohibits sex before marriage and alcohol. Christianity prohibits sex before marriage (although few Chrisitians practise this) and Judaism prohibits alcohol. So these religions must be backward also?
In Islam the burqa is not meant to be worn by all muslims. They were intended to be only worn by the prophets wives as they were seen as extremly beautiful an desireable. I will admit that I don’t agree with the suggestion that women should have to wear scarves and cover up but I’m sure you’ll find that most women these days do so of their own free will.
That is untrue. If you study the religion (like you probably should have done before writing this) you will find that women have many rights to protect themselves under islam. It does not say anywhere in the Quran that a woman can be beaten if she doesn’t have sex with her husband. Rape is recognised in marriage and anyone who tells you otherwise is ill-educated or misinterpreting the religion.
Finally, I suggest you study women in religion through history a bit more. I’m sure you will be surprised at how ‘backward’ western society was in comparison to that of the arabs and how much women were ill-treated by westerners. Its an eye-opener.
January 13th, 2010 at 8:48 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
And how many crazy Christian states are out there throwing people into jail for sex beofre marriage?
As for Judaism, do I really need to go into the craziness that is Palestine and Israel? I remember reading a while back now that some fundamentalist Jews were rallying hard (read: protesting by throwing rocks and rioting) against a carpark being open on Saturday to accommodate shoppers.
Backwards much?
The Quran is the Quran and Islam is Islam. If a muslim cleric or clerics are preaching it then it really doesn’t matter what the book says does it?
Was being the keyword there. If Islam wants to exist in the west then it can’t hide behind the ‘but we’re a third world religion’ banner. Either get with the times or fail.
March 25th, 2010 at 6:33 pm Lara(Quote)
You are all just pathetic look at you carrying on like Muslims are out to get you! Get over it and stop being so negative.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:51 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Who said anything about Muslims being out to get anyone?
I just don’t want to have to participate in a holiday and then be guilted into not behaving ‘offensively’ on the day. As far as Islam goes, give them a public holiday and the next thing will be ‘we want everyone to observe our religious customs’ on the day too.
With the current holidays I’m able to celebrate (or not celebrate) them as I see fit.
March 25th, 2010 at 11:45 pm Jason(Quote)
This blog is a disgrace to the Australian identity. Multiculturalism inevitably results in a variety of religions and if people cant accept and RESPECT that then maybe they are the ‘backward’ ones.
It seems that the author ozsoapbox should reeducate himself before making unsubstantial accusations and judgements on a religion he knows (obviously) nothing about.
March 26th, 2010 at 12:36 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
So where is the respect in coming over here and as a minority demanding an entire nation pander to your religious beliefs?
Respect works both ways and as an Australian I’m sick of pandering to minorities who want to continually make major changes to Australia because they’re homesick.
I research or at the very least have an understanding of the topics I write about. Instead of making blanket statements how about backing them up with specifics, or at least correcting what you believe to be wrong.
I’m all up for discussion but just claiming someone knows nothing about something is a copout.
March 27th, 2010 at 12:27 am Jason(Quote)
i think you’ll find that islam is not a ‘minority’ religion but rather one of the biggest in the world. get with the times.
my point is it’s unjust for some religions to get public holidays for their own religious beliefs and then deem other religious groups as a minority just whinging because they’re homesick. Just get rid of them all together or prepare for other groups to want to have their beliefs recognised as well. and in any case, because you claim to have so much understanding of the topics you bring up, im sure you’d know that not all muslims are from overseas. Or didn’t you know that?
Shows how much you really know, maybe you should stop being so arrogant.
Oh and your comment on the Aboriginals who just complain about everything given any opportunity is just pathetic.
March 27th, 2010 at 1:40 am Erica(Quote)
Hi Jason, nice to meet you. i like your point! believe it or not, in the states there is no religious holidays except christmas. I dont see how they can get rid of that but there’s not even easter friday / sunday / monday………
March 27th, 2010 at 3:34 am Heather(Quote)
Why are all you ‘Australians’ defending the muslim religion and need to observe their holidays. Is it in fear of ‘offending’ them YET AGAIN. Everything seems to ‘offend’ them.
We don’t care!!
If you’re so thin-skinned you get offended at everything that’s your problem. Deal with it. Get a thicker skin. They come to a christian country then demand their rights. What rights. No no no. I’m fed up. You come to this country, you go by our rules just like you would if you entered someone’s home. You don’t start demanding your rights.
What are you a spoiled child who has never been said ‘no’ to. Come to Australia, although I wish they wouldn’t ACT Australian. End of story.
March 29th, 2010 at 12:36 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
Well good thing the article I wrote wasn’t titled ‘Observing Muslim holidays around the world is a crap idea’ then isn’t it.
In Australia Islam is definitely a minority religion.
As someone who’s not religious I fail to see the connection in modern society with Australia’s public holidays and religion. Yes of course Christmas has it’s roots in Christianity and paganism and so does Easter, for most Australian’s though its just an excuse to take the day off and enjoy some family time.
Easter and Christmas aren’t a validation or recognition of the religious beliefs of Christians, at least not in 2010. Want proof? See how many people you know go to church on these days.
If the pope decided tomorrow that December 25th was not really Jesus’ birthday and wanted it moved to some other date you can bet I’d be writing articles telling him to shove it too. December 25th falls one week before New Years and perfectly allows you to get family stuff out of the way before celebrating the New Year properly. Buggered if we’re going to move it because of some religious nonsense.
And buggered if we’re going to celebrate Islamic festivals as national holidays in Australia too. Once that idea is entertained it’s only a matter of time before muslims start whinging that the country should celebrate its festivals properly. Deciding how you want to celebrate religious festivals just isn’t something you get with Islam. Either you’re fasting or praying or whatever, or you’re a disrespectful infidel who needs to be dealt with.
As weak as the link is between Australia’s public holidays and religion at least we’re free to celebrate these days however the hell we wish.
I never claimed they were. However if they are so deeply troubled by the lack of embrace of islamic religious culture by secular Australia perhaps they can find a more suitable environment to move to. Buggered if I’m going to let their stupid religion influence how I live my non-religious life.
Not as pathetic as Aboriginals who complain about everything given any opportunity. They exist and they love to complain about anything and everything they believe will lead to financial compensation.
April 17th, 2010 at 1:17 am RA(Quote)
Australia, in its current form, is a country ruled by migrants. The ones came first tried to impose their culture and religious beliefs nationally, and therefore christian religion is dominated in public celebrations, not the ones from the indigenous people.
More brutally, the indegenous people are regarded as human in only 1967 by the then migrants. It’s basically a culture that needs time to develop. Australia is now apologising to the stolen generation, it will soon realise it is not a country for christians simply because they came here first, it is basically a country by all its multicultural people, who will here in harmony.
Australia hates people who try to damage the nation’s diversity and harmony by spreading ill-thoughts.
April 18th, 2010 at 5:45 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Nobody is stopping anyone celebrating anything. The issue here is whether or not random group’s special days (whether they be religious or whatever) should get public holiday status in Australia.
I’m not Christian but I appreciate the traditional public holidays that we get because I’m free to celebrate them however I wish, religiously or not. I don’t particularly see this working out if we as a nation allow islamic public holidays.
Sooner or later some ‘self styled cleric’ will make the call that we shouldn’t be eating pork on that day and everyone who doesn’t go to mosque on the day isn’t Australian etc. etc.
April 23rd, 2010 at 3:39 am Harry(Quote)
I’m a dead set atheist and to be honest believe that religion is a completely stupid and irrational idea. So for all I care Christmas can be turned into Family Day so it is non-religious and all PC.
For all those who say Islam is larger than Christianity on a world scale.
WIKIPEDIA SAYS NO!!!!!!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_religion
So IF the world turns around and we all become bestest friends in a worldly democracy Christianity would be our national religion and Mandarin world be our language, not so closely followed be English.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_total_number_of_speakers
PS: Just realized that “Family Day” would also be PC. It’s all to hard.
June 29th, 2010 at 3:44 pm whatajoke(Quote)
Australians are already holiday specialists. I don’t think our economy can handle any more public holidays.
Besides if Christmas or Easter is not a public holiday in Islamic countries, why should Ramadan be one in a Christian country? Get real.
August 18th, 2010 at 2:50 pm RA(Quote)
The point I’m trying to make is whether Australia is a Christian country or a multicultural country. I know Islam is the state religion in Bangladesh with more than 90% muslims living there. But both Christmas, good friday and easter sunday are public holidays there. So the point is whether we need to look for the bad examples to follow or good ones.