Top 5 non-religious reasons to ban the burqa
There’s been a bit of a push in Europe lately to ban the burqa. France’s deliberation on the ban has been the most vocal and discussed;
FRANCE’S top administrative body has advised the government against slapping a complete ban on the full Islamic veil but says outlawing the burqa in some places was justified for security reasons.
Last week Belgium became the first European country to ban the burqa;
“We’re the first country to spring the locks that have made a good number of women slaves, and we hope to be followed by France, Switzerland, Italy, and the Netherlands; countries that think,” said Liberal Deputy Denis Ducarme.
In the lower house of the federal parliament yesterday, 136 deputies supported a nationwide ban on clothes or veils that do not allow the wearer to be fully identified, including the full-face niqab and burqa.
And Italy has seemingly had a burqa ban since 1975;
ITALIAN police have fined a woman 500 euros ($A712) for wearing a full Islamic veil.
While there is no specific legislation on the burqa, covering the face in public – even with a motorcycle helmet – has been banned in Italy since 1975.
It’s worth noting that in each of these cases the main reason cited for the banning the burqa are related to security and identification. Critics of burqa bans will almost inadvertently revert to protesting against the infringement of their religious beliefs.
After all, prove an action has religious significance and all of a sudden the religious vilification defense overshadows anything else.
Personally I don’t see the burqa as a religious artifact. From my understanding the Quran urges Islamic followers to dress modestly, it mentions nothing about running around covered from head to toe and completely obliterating any sense of personal identity in public.
However this is largely put down to interpretation and translation differences. Still it’s enough for Muslims who endorse the burqa to cry religious vilification and label anyone who supports a burqa ban as attacking Islam and religious freedom.
What about the arguments for a burqa ban that have nothing to do with religion though? I’m strongly opposed to the wearing of the burqa in public and it’s got nothing to do with religion.
Here’s 5 reasons I believe the burqa should not only be banned in Europe but in any country that isn’t ruled by Islamic fundamentalist crazies.
1. Eye Contact
One of the strongest tenants of personal intracommunication between humans is eye contact. The Burqa by nature obscures this.
When I’m talking to someone primarily I’m looking into their eyes and secondarily I’m reading their face. This isn’t something that happens consciously, it’s a subconscious element to human interaction.
Mind you it’s not limited to humans either, my pet cats were able to tell what mood I was in off my facial expressions alone. If they were doing something they shouldn’t be often a frown and ‘angry eyes’ was all it took for them to have second thoughts.
The absence of these secondary forms of communication (the primary being speech) are definitely noticeable when absent. Try have a conversation with someone who completely covers their face, for me it’s extremely frustrating. I want to read their reactions to what I’m saying and gauge how the conversation is going.
There’s a lot more to communication then simply hearing a voice. Talking to an emotionless brick wall is largely unsatisfying and downright frustrating at times. If you’re wearing a burqa (or any other type of face covering clothing) I don’t want to talk to you.
In my personal life this is fine enough but it’s caused me problems in previous jobs where I’ve had to interact with burqa clad women. The frustration was even more compounded here as often English wasn’t a strong point. This in itself wasn’t a negative but often I had no way of gauging if I was being understood or not.
If you’re explaining something to someone and they don’t understand you can usually tell by their facial expression. Here I found myself dealing with a blank slate. Directly asking if they understood often led to silence or a slow ‘not-quite-sure’ nod. In these situations I just had to hope for the best.
2. Burqas make me feel like a predator
The whole concept of being modest in Islam appears to be to remove all physical temptation, from men.
If Islam attracts guys who can’t keep it in their pants then fair enough, but what about the rest of us?
Every time I see a burqa I’m subconsciously reminded that the reason she’s dressed like that is so that I don’t instantly turn into a slobbering uncontrollable animal and try to mate with her.
I mean that’s what it comes down to doesn’t it?
How about taking back the notion of self control and placing the burden of responsibility where it belongs, on the potential offender – not the potential victim.
3. I can’t hear you
This one probably again relates to my interactions with women wearing burqas. Not all women who wear a burqa are softly spoken but a hell of a lot of them are.
I’d have trouble understanding these women without a burqa, wearing one just makes me want to go bang my head against a wall.
Not because the women are softly spoken but because there’s no viable solution. Some random guy asking a woman to remove a burqa is punishable by beheading, or I won’t get into virgin heaven… or something.
‘mfphhhfphhhmmm’.
‘Hi there , sorry I can’t hear you. Can you speak up?’
‘MFPHHFPHHMMM!’
‘Hmm, yeah this isn’t really working. I’ll be right back.’
At this point I’d go and disappear for a half hour or so until they’d hopefully gone. Admittedly this didn’t happen often but when it did, after the first few games of me asking them to speak louder and getting nowhere, I really didn’t know what to do.
In any other circumstance I’d just ask them to remove whatever was making them difficult to hear. But it’s the almighty burqa and we can’t ask that.
4. Body Odor
For anyone who thought Indians smelt bad, wait until you’re in the vicinity of a burqa clad women in summer. I’ve read that deodorant and Islam might come into opposition due to the alcohol content of some deodorants but by and large I believe it’s just laziness.
I mean if you’re going to run around invisible all day who cares what people think about your smell or looks.
For the rest of the us this is a nightmare. Australian summers aren’t cold and dressing head to toe in black cannot by any stretch of the imagination be comfortable. Hell even if you wore deodorant, five minutes outside and you’d still be wading through your very own swimming pool.
Sorry but I don’t want to smell your body odor because you choose to wear climatalogically inappropriate clothing.
5. woman’s rights
Now this is a tricky one. There’s plenty of women out there who will go on about how it’s a personal choice and they like wearing a burqa.
To this I say fair enough. You were born into this culture and have had it repeatedly re-enforced throughout your life. Nothing is going to change that. In most middle eastern and African countries were the burqa is prevalent often it’s not even a choice, the laws of the land forbid you from not wearing a burqa in public.
Now it’s certainly not up to me to tell women what they can and can’t wear but I believe the choice to wear or not wear one is important. Of course this contradicts my support for banning the burqa but I’m struggling with that.
I believe the choice to wear a burqa or not is important for future generations. The problem with the west is with immigration we’re getting immigrants from hardline Muslim countries where there is no choice.
This generation of women are mostly a lost cause, it’s become a way of life for them. I see the next generation of immigrant female children as being hard pressed to burqa up, infact I just don’t see it happening as a majority at all. Not if they’ve grown up in western society.
I guess what it comes down to is if we can wait that long. My own prejudices against communicating with someone who masks their identity aren’t going to change anytime soon. I’ll forever see restricting the basic tenants of communication as a sign of disrespect, dishonesty and just being downright rude.
On one hand I’d love to see the burqa banned but the issue of personal freedoms is quite a strong argument. Then again, it’s not like we don’t already ban some forms of clothing, or lack thereof. Try walking down the street in some budgie smugglers, or wearing a motorcycle helmet into a bank, or wearing shorts and a tshirt into a club and see what happens.
If as a society we’ve already content to have the above examples of clothing restrictions in place, is it really that much of a big step to legislate it?
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May 6th, 2010 at 10:14 am Mezza(Quote)
and this??
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/burqa-bandit-in-armed-cash-grab-20100506-ub1r.html
May 6th, 2010 at 11:41 am lemmiwinks(Quote)
I find it somewhat offensive (the burqa and it’s derivatives) primarily for the reasons you list in your first point. It seems like a barrier, “I want no part of what’s going on around me”.
Personally, I’ve been wondering how long it would be before something like this: http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/mp/7181718/police-hunt-sydney-burka-bandit/ happened. I know that if I was a criminal I’d be straight down my local burqa shop and get geared up! Too easy. Come on Australia, get behind this idea. Also, the US and other countries’ spooks must be loving it, stroll around downtown Tehran (with a male “relative” of course, lest you be stoned to death) and collect information at your leisure.
May 6th, 2010 at 12:02 pm Elbowgrease(Quote)
Well argued but i, like you am ripped ‘tween ban and personal rights. Do not like the burqa but hey if some dosey woman wants to walk around under a sheet why can’t I?
May 6th, 2010 at
[...] take to get some serious debate and discussion in Australia over banning the burqa outright. Whilst I support a burqa ban (but struggle with the personal freedom conundrum) I only do so for what I believe to be neutral [...]
May 6th, 2010 at 1:41 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Ooh, feeling like I’ve got a bit of a crystal ball here.
My first reaction whilst reading about the Sydney robbery was, even if a burqa ban was in place, would it have actually prevented this?
Full article here.
May 6th, 2010 at 2:49 pm et(Quote)
Yes the full face ones are a bit much
June 25th, 2010 at 2:34 pm Jazz(Quote)
Hi,
Don’t generalise that Indians smell bad!! You have only met a minute percentage of the billion plus population and obviously the poorer blue collar working class recent migrants.
July 1st, 2010 at 12:59 pm et(Quote)
I hope the pic that your displaying at the top of this blogg will not be a regular sight when walking down any Australian street.
I need someone to also explain to me why Western women are made to wear head scarf when they visit the Muslim countries and we can’t suggest we ban them here? If Western women refuse to wear them in your countries, are you going to ban their “dollars” for your economy?
July 1st, 2010 at 1:29 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
I think it’s actually illegal so those women who refuse to wear one risk being jailed/deportation.
The irony is the argument used to deter western women from refusing to cover up is that ‘well you should have known about the culture before you decided to go there’.
Yet when nationals of these countries come here it suddenly changes to ‘oh but we need to respect and accomodate people’s culture’.
July 30th, 2010 at 5:17 pm fatima(Quote)
i strongly disapprove with the writer…firstly islam does not forbid the wearing of perfumes infact it is likely to wear a perfume. secondly that isa matter ofan individual, we have no rights to stop them from doing so.
July 31st, 2010 at 12:38 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
Maybe not but Australia seems to be getting a lot of burqa clad females who originate from countries where wearing perfume or deoderant isn’t the cultural norm.
Sure we do, we as a society stop people doing things all the time. Tried walking into a bank with a motorcycle helmet on lately?
August 3rd, 2010 at 12:34 pm dude(Quote)
This article is bigoted from start to finish. Shame on you.
August 3rd, 2010 at 2:52 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Yes, yes… racist, islamophobic, bigoted, a redneck, a white supremist, religionist, a nazi, xenophobic… that covers just about all the token ‘used so frequently they now mean nothing’ name calling right?
Now how about contributing something constructive? You know… like having an opinion on the topic itself.
August 4th, 2010 at
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September 26th, 2010 at 10:26 pm sowaibah(Quote)
you say women’s rights but what about the rights of those women who do wear the burqa. dont they have the right to practice their religon and have the right to wear what they want to wear.
No women in western countries are frced to wear the burqa and they understand the consequence if anyone does force them and i tell u now they have the strength to do something about it.
Islam doesnt no require a women to cover their face but these women do it out of love to show others that they are the slaves of god and are willing to do anything for him
September 26th, 2010 at 10:32 pm sowaibah(Quote)
abt the wearing of perfume i asked my islamic studies teacher becuase i go to an islamic school and women are not ment to wear perfume but this depends on wheather your intention is so be clean or to attract people.
September 27th, 2010 at 4:48 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
So it’s not a religious requirement, it’s a personal choice. Australia has plenty of laws to curbtail antisocial personal choices people might want to make. Not withstanding the no motorcycle helmets in banks or most public places laws for security.
People choosing to wear a non-religious identity masking item of clothing should not override societal anti-socialness and segregation.
<blockquote but these women do it out of love to show others that they are the slaves of god and are willing to do anything for him
Didn’t know god was a man but makes sense given all the other chauvanistic crap that’s been interpreted out of the Quran and become common cultural practice.
February 21st, 2011 at 9:54 pm Tom(Quote)
This video shows society’s top 5 reasons;
April 15th, 2011 at 6:36 am Muslim(Quote)
What about the womens who are converting to islam and willing to wear hijab… there is no complusion in religion. Hijab is her right, infact Islam also restriction men from wearing tight cloth.
The matter of fact is, the western world is scared of Islam and its trying hard to oppress the religion by introduction such law, Alhamdullilah… the religion of Islam still continue to grow, that the power of Allah and his true religion Islam.
April 15th, 2011 at 11:47 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
Hijab is fine. We’re talking about the burqa (niqab) here.
If the hijab/burka has, in your own words, ‘no complusion in religion‘ (I assume ‘is not compulsory’), then how is banning it opressing religion?
April 28th, 2011 at 9:36 am Taylah(Quote)
I totally agree.
There is a lot other reasons as well. When others go to Islam or Arab etc, we have to follow their rules and do what they do, so i don’t see why they shouldn’t have to do the same in Australia.
If they don’t like the banning of the Burqa then they can go somewhere else were they can wear it, were not banning them from ever wearing one ever again in there life.
Also what happens if there is a crime or someone with a Burqa or niqa is invovled in a serious situation, there is no way of being able to give information about their identity to help the situation.
This is Australia, not Islam or Arab etc. And our Australian ways are not to cover your whole body and face so you look like A black ghost. Not being offensive or racist, it just gets on my nerves.
April 28th, 2011 at 1:27 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Cheers for adding to the discussion Taylah, worth noting though that ‘islam’ and ‘arab’ are not destinations you can go to.
I think you mean the Middle East.
June 23rd, 2011 at 11:14 am Mary Smith(Quote)
Womens Rights. Look at the end of the day if women want to wear a burqa or ignore their personal hygiene that is their choice and their problem. It is only our problem when the burqa is abused by criminals, predators etc. or restricts our security forces from upholding the law.
Muslim women are consciously aware of their modesty 24/7 and that extends to public female baths. Non muslim women are more liberal and vulnerable. So how do they protect the rights of all women if the assumed woman wearing a “burqa” sitting in the corner of a public change room or bath is actually a man.
I have a funny story about the burqa and its purpose to protect women from men committing sin. A friend of mine wears a burqa and she was pinched on the bum by a man in a muslim country. She was powerless to do anything because her burqa restricted her from identifying the person and there were no witnesses. In fact there are rarely ever witnesses because it is hard to prove in a crowded market.
I also experienced the bum pinching when heavily pregnant wearing very loose long clothing in the market square of a moderate muslim country. Evidently the burqa or modest garb are not doing their job in keeping women safe from being violated. Actually bum pinching is a common practice in these very crowded muslim markets.
June 23rd, 2011 at 11:51 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
@Mary
Funny you should mention that. Just this week Carnita Matthews was acquitted of jail time because after handing in a signed statutory declaring she’d lied on, the judge was unable to prove it was actually her that handed it in due to the fact she was wearing a burqa at the time.
The woman maintains it wasn’t her who handed in the statutory declaration, despite the fact it was used to start a legal case against police officers (in which she was again found to be lying) by Matthews.
Now we’re at the stalemate of whether police officers not being able to forcibly remove burqas and people being able to refuse to identify themselves on religious grounds.
Who loses? The law.
Time for zero tolerance. Either identify yourself or ban the burqa for good.
Sounds like an outlet for some of the sexual tension that no doubt simmers in any religiously dominated society.
August 10th, 2011 at 7:12 am Masood(Quote)
Eye contact: you want to banned something based on your preference. preference which states, eye contact is critical…
-A lot of flirting occurs from body language, eye contact is major candid there. Despite the fact we have recently been aware of body language flirtation, religion/islam had thought us ways to avoid it only few thousands years ago.
-If you are familiar with what a pheromone is, studies in u of t (uni of toronto & uni of ottawa)have found the sexual pheromone is released from hair.
-Predator: Not worth the time to google the rape rate per day but i am sure it’s a shocking number in North America. Can’t sexually rape something, you are not attracted to.
-Can’t hear you: As you indicated, there have been many other scenarios where you asked to remove the object which was blocking the voice. perhaps an alternate view on this would be check out your ears, it could extrapolate in the long run. Voice travels through nylon cloth.
-Body odur: Sorry to hear that but burqua is refereed to as the head piece, not the other parts. Also not very orignal point to banned something merely because someone says “YOU STINK!!”. childhood issues, much?
-Womens right: I did not even bother to read it, sorry. One thing you should know, burqa and hijab are different and burqa is worn by choice.
August 12th, 2011 at 1:19 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Mate it’s not just mere preference, we’re talking one of the fundamentals of communication here.
Why do we need to mandate avoidance? Don’t want to flirt, don’t flirt! Covering your eyes to avoid flirtation is just a bandaid fix.
So what? Learn to keep your dick in your pants. Inhaling some sexual pheramones shouldn’t mean you turn into a dog in heat.
Are you suggesting no rapes occur in countries where the burqa is required or common? Rapists rape, they don’t care what you’re wearing. This is just a dressed up ‘but she was asking for it by not covering herself’ argument which is a load of horseshit.
The burqa completes an outfit designed to remove any resemblence of a human form visually from a person. Ever seen someone just wear the burqa headpiece?
Didn’t think so.
Thus referring to the entire ensemble is justified, along with the annoying body odour it produces.
A lot of the women who wear burqas also subscribe to the ‘you can’t wear deoderant’ rule too, and in the heat of summer this equally disgusting smells following them around everywhere.
…and the hijab is what, forced on people?
If the burqa is worn by choice, it should be simple enough to remove it for an identity check. Personally I’d love to see it abolished altogether but I’m willing to compromise. Something burqa clad women and the men who control them aren’t.
September 7th, 2011 at 9:43 pm DrMarkway(Quote)
Some people claim that Muslim women have the right to wear the burqa in public places. If we look at this argument in a different light then it throws up all kinds of complications.
Let us take a hypothetical situation to demonstrate this. What if every human on the planet exercised the right to wear face coverings in public. The world would not be able to function, nobody would recognize each other. A law would have to be passed banning all from the wearing face coverings. The argument that only a small numbers of Muslim woman wear the burqa therefore it is not an issue does not hold, the reason being is that we are debating the principle of wearing such a garment.
Women who claim they have a right to cover ALL of their face in public should ask themselves if they would find it unacceptable everybody else covered their faces. If they were to consider this unacceptable then they should begin realize why it is unacceptable for them to cover their faces and the reason others find it unacceptable.
Finally it is sexist. The total face covering by some women implies that physical attractiveness is a one way process i.e. only men can fancy women so to speak. There is plenty of evidence to the contrary. What is to stop women ogling at men from behind the burqa!
I accept that all my arguments are hypothetical but they show that the notion of having the right to cover your face in public is not a simple act of choice as argued by some corners.
October 29th, 2011 at 6:26 pm Sarah(Quote)
While I don’t agree with the rationale behind the wearing of the Burka and the Niqab and find the whole thing completely repugnant, I don’t think that we should be using the argument that since we are expected to follow their cultural and religious norms and cover up when travelling in Islamic countries such as Saudi Arabia, etc. they should have to cover up here.
I think the whole “When in Rome, do as the Romans do” opinion is contradictory to the fundamentals of our Western society. If we were to follow the example of countries such as Saudi Arabia, then we are no better than them. The West is largely characterised by our personal freedoms and tolerance for other cultures.
As John Stuart Mill said: “The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not sufficient warrant…But society has now fairly got the better of individuality; and the danger which threatens human nature is not the excess, but the deficiency, of personal impulses and preferences.”
“My definition of a free society is a society where it is safe to be unpopular.” ~ Adlai Stevenson, Detroit 1952
October 31st, 2011 at 10:39 am ozsoapbox(Quote)
@Sarah
If that’s the basis of your argument, see counter-arguments regarding security and identity (airports/banks/petty and serious crime).
I’m automatically suspicious of someone going about their business who I can’t in some way identify. Not because I’m scared but because if something happened I’ve got no recollection of who they are.
December 10th, 2011 at 6:12 am Sam(Quote)
Okay, dont get me wrong… Im 14 and I can tell at one glance that these arguments are shallow and counter arguments could be found easily. But thats not my issue, my issue is that you wrote “This generation of women are mostly a lost cause”
So what are you litterally saying that women who come from the east fleeing war, famines, poverty etc. are a lost cause!
Or maybe you just cant take change, the entire burqa ban is just proff that all the contries considering it are afraid of change.
They keep try to find out what is french, or swiss or italian and to do this theyve decided what is not rather than considering that one day it might be.
December 10th, 2011 at 2:05 pm ozsoapbox(Quote)
Well the ones that can’t let go of what they’ve been through yep, pretty much. Ditto the guys.
We can only hope they become subdued in old age and have kids who can grow up free from the horrors and aftermath of what they themselves went through.
Nah, I’m pretty sure I made it clear it was the whole ‘lost cause’ thing.
February 7th, 2012 at 12:25 pm Femia Cools(Quote)
Ataturk set Turkey free of the Islamic regime by forbidding religious symbols, dresses and hairdressing. Clearly abruptly forbidding backward culture and believes, helped to get the people out of oppression and prepared them for new and better times.
At the moment there is a strong backlash, instigated by imam that are afraid to loose their power when people choose to enjoy the modern ways and may be even choose to be free from religion. It is sad to see that western societies are so ready to accept and respect religious demands that come from a backward world where oppression and disrespect for freethinking is the norm.
I think that everyone should be free to choose their own dress, but most people are not aware that religion and freedom are incompatible. A world free from religion is the one that we should accept and respect.